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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #160 on: April 20, 2017, 07:23:35 AM »
My advice is Not to use Galil products wirth Mach3. No support for the plugin. Absolute waste of time. the Ethernet software is ridiculously old and clumsy. For that money now there are much better solutions.

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #161 on: April 20, 2017, 08:41:11 AM »
My advice is Not to use Galil products wirth Mach3. No support for the plugin. Absolute waste of time. the Ethernet software is ridiculously old and clumsy. For that money now there are much better solutions.

I am confused by your reply.
Firstly, what support for the Mach3 plugin will I need? It works fine now. Will that change?
What time am I wasting?
I am ridiculously old and clumsy so I am a good match for the ethernet software.
For what money?

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #162 on: April 20, 2017, 10:39:34 AM »
My advice is Not to use Galil products wirth Mach3. No support for the plugin. Absolute waste of time. the Ethernet software is ridiculously old and clumsy. For that money now there are much better solutions.

I am confused by your reply.
Firstly, what support for the Mach3 plugin will I need? It works fine now. Will that change?
What time am I wasting?
I am ridiculously old and clumsy so I am a good match for the ethernet software.
For what money?

If it works for you then "Good luck!"

Once i needed help and i asked here at the time /year 2015/ still no answer. http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,30436.msg211370.html#msg211370

What money? The money a Galil  controller costs even second hand. And that for sth without official support, on a problematic Mach3...No thanks.

I am using now Chinese offline controller, no PC, No Mach3, No windows. Thanks God. At last all works 100%


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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #163 on: April 20, 2017, 02:25:11 PM »
What money? The money a Galil  controller costs even second hand. And that for sth without official support, on a problematic Mach3...No thanks.

I am using now Chinese offline controller, no PC, No Mach3, No windows. Thanks God. At last all works 100%

I have the Galil card.
Tell me more about your Chinese solution.

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #164 on: April 20, 2017, 02:48:52 PM »
These are not definitive.  :)

1. Only the 40x0, 41x3 and 18x6 controllers are "officially" supported by the Mach 4 Galil plugin.  There is code in the plugin to run a 21x3, but no testing has been done on them what so ever. 
2. The Galil will perform the same no matter what is running it.  Mach 4 has more features than Mach 3 in some areas while Mach 3 has more in others.  To give a definitive answer, I would need to know what functionality you are looking for. 

To be safe with that 21x3, I would suggest sticking with Mach 3.  I would keep a lookout for a 41x3 controller.  They really are a better fit for a machine motion controller because we can use contour mode with them.  The 21x3 only supports linear interpolation and while it works, it is not optimum for the task at hand. 

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #165 on: April 20, 2017, 03:20:10 PM »
There is code in the plugin to run a 21x3, but no testing has been done on them what so ever. 

Do you want a tester?

Mach 4 has more features than Mach 3 in some areas while Mach 3 has more in others. 
Steve

I thought as much, hence the question.
I'll keep a look out for a 41x3, in which case it would seem sensible to go for Mach4 but for now I need to work with the 2143.

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #166 on: April 20, 2017, 05:34:07 PM »

If it works for you then "Good luck!"

Once i needed help and i asked here at the time /year 2015/ still no answer. http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,30436.msg211370.html#msg211370

What money? The money a Galil  controller costs even second hand. And that for sth without official support, on a problematic Mach3...No thanks.

I am using now Chinese offline controller, no PC, No Mach3, No windows. Thanks God. At last all works 100%


Please don't take offense at this, as I'm just trying to explain why some posts go unanswered.  

None of your questions had any relation to the Galil plugin at all.  They were all questions about the Galil and how to hook it up.  I would assume most people that read that post, including myself, decided that if you didn't get the needed information from the Galil manual, no amount of our typing was going to clear it up.  I certainly can't think of a better way or words to answer them than what Galil had to say about it.  A lot of times, that is why posts go unanswered.  Just because people don't think they have anything to add.  Those type of questions would be better served if asked on Galil forum.  

Also, a lot of Galil users were also probably scratching their heads as to why you were using a Galil to drive a Step/Dir interface in the first place when, as you say, there are much better solutions for the money (ESS comes to mind).  People tend to use a Galil to drive analog servo motors in Mach 3 as it is one of a very few plugins that can do that.  If you don't want to drive analog servos, then there is really no reason to run a Galil other than just wanting to.  Most people are not going to post that for fear of offending the OP.  

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #167 on: April 20, 2017, 05:45:23 PM »
   People tend to use a Galil to drive analog servo motors in Mach 3 as it is one of a very few plugins that can do that.  If you don't want to drive analog servos, then there is really no reason to run a Galil

That is exactly why I got a Galil card.  I had a Bridgeport which had been fitted with an Anilam system from new.  I wanted to keep the servos, drivers and glass slides and the Galil and Mach3 was really about all I could find except for one ridiculously expensive system which had bad reviews in general.

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #168 on: April 20, 2017, 05:54:52 PM »
Tony,

The Mach 4 Galil plugin is fully supported by ArtSoft, as opposed to the forum based support for the Mach 3 Galil plugin.  In order to do that, we have to charge a bit for the Mach 4 Galil plugin.  With that said, we also had to make a decision as to what controller we could support.  And that came down to basically the 41x3 and 40x0 controllers.  Because one thing we learned with the Mach 3 plugin (those of us that wrote it) was that it is VERY difficult to support each and every model available from Galil.  Also, Galil does a lot of custom controllers that are special ordered by companies that are configured to operated in their environment.  A lot of times these controllers find their way to auction sites and then someone "wins" them and tries to use them with Mach.  Most of these special controllers will never work with Mach be it version 3 or 4.  And the guy that "won" it ends up being VERY disappointed.    I cannot begin to explain the pain and grief that has cause.  So for Mach 4 we talked to Galil about all of this stuff and agreed that only the above non-special ordered controllers would be supported.  

So it is not a question of needing a tester for the 21x3 so that we can develop and support it.  It can only use the Linear interpolation mode.  And while there is code in the Mach 4 plugin to handle that, we can't say that it will forever work when the plugin is updated to take advantage of some new feature that is only available on the newer controllers.  It just costs too much to merge a change into the plugin and make it work for both Contour Mode And Linear Interpolation Mode.  

Steve

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Re: Galil controller compatability (what works with the plugin)
« Reply #169 on: April 20, 2017, 06:11:50 PM »
  People tend to use a Galil to drive analog servo motors in Mach 3 as it is one of a very few plugins that can do that.  If you don't want to drive analog servos, then there is really no reason to run a Galil

That is exactly why I got a Galil card.  I had a Bridgeport which had been fitted with an Anilam system from new.  I wanted to keep the servos, drivers and glass slides and the Galil and Mach3 was really about all I could find except for one ridiculously expensive system which had bad reviews in general.

I would tend to want to keep that good stuff too!  I know the cost of a newer Galil is an impediment.  Especially if you have a 21x3 at the moment.  But I can promise you that you will be MUCH happier with the 41x3.  It is simply a better controller than the 21x3 for a milling machine motion controller.  It will do the rest of the machine justice.  

Perhaps you can sell the 21x3 and put that towards a 41x3?  Then you could run Mach 4 or Mach 3 and choose the one you like best.  Just keep in mine that if you want to control the spindle from the Galil, you need to get one extra axis on the Galil.  I suggest a 4153 for milling machines if you EVER think you might want to run a rotary 4th axis.  

I have a 4080 on my machine running Mach 4.  It is poetry in motion!  It is a Matsuura that originally had a YASNAC control on it.  One of the I/O boards went out on it and I decided to retrofit it to Mach instead of just buying a replacement board for the YASNAC.  Best decision I every made!  Mach4/Galil blows that YASNAC away!  Now, it took a lot of work and I had to buy a Galil, but the costs were not that much more than buying the replacement board for the YASNAC on the surplus market.  My only regret is the purchase of the 4080 instead of a 4153.  The 4080 is so overkill it isn't even funny.  

Steve