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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #60 on: May 25, 2015, 12:00:34 PM »
Hi Emil,

at least i would seperate axis Limit Switches (can stay in series) and the E-Stop chain,
create a inustrieal Standard estop circiut (e-stop relay and main power contactor for all Motors).
all this Software e-stop circuits are not save for my mind.

Thomas
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #61 on: May 25, 2015, 01:29:36 PM »
Ok Thomas
As I understand from you following:
1-let the Emergency chain as it is 2-(or rewiring +,- limits switches out of the chain ?)
& create another e-stop - for this I have available one mushroom button and for Power drives I have one separate button (ready on drives)  on the panel / closet  .

Regarding the axis uncontrolled movements I will try to find; if any wrong pin assignation from Osai to encoder connector (I will measure the A+A- B+B- Z+Z-  pins)
You are 100% right about the safety standard, machine run on X along 2800 mm with 20m/min, if someone is hit (Y axis is about 250kg) then will be like a car accident.I visit someone with one home-made cnc and I note the poor safety on it....
thank you
I apologies on the moderators for so many posts ,but hope all my answered questions will be useful for other users...
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2015, 04:52:26 PM »
Hi
On this week I do following :
Rewiring the encoders and Analog to csmi-o after the Baumuller/drive manual, all is fine now, all uncontrolled movements are stoped, I assume on Osai wiring to encoder connector somethingh was wrong...
I tune the motors untill I got one smooth movement and I Autotune the PID on all axis, it seems everythingh is fine, the machine run like in "butter" with smooth accel and brake, voltage on csmio max +/-7,5 V
after I calibrate the mesurement/pulses untill I obtain same unit on Mach and in real unit movements, the biggest error is on Z=0,03 mm (I assume because equilibration), after declare baclslah 0,03 mm error go = 0,00

I need help with:
1-After Homing I have no ideea how can I reset the machine coordinates at 0 ?
2-Got problem on wiring and declare inputs/outputs on  the (VFD-spindle ) , found no where  (Mach3-csmio) somethingh about frequency level and frequency reached (attach inverter electr schema) ?
Also I google on HSD 7500 inverter and have no results.... ???
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2015, 02:38:02 AM »
Hello Emil,

--I need help with:
--1-After Homing I have no ideea how can I reset the machine coordinates at 0 ?

are you using the 1024 screenset, if yes have a look in diagnostic page, there you can see
all coordinates. normaly the machine coordinates are set to 0 by reference, what you see
in the main screen are the work offsets, witch may be different.

--2-Got problem on wiring and declare inputs/outputs on  the (VFD-spindle ) , found no where  (Mach3-csmio) somethingh about frequency level and frequency reached
--(attach inverter electr schema) ?

i have written HSD an email about manual.
i think for the beginning it is enought to wire
-csmio analog output to analog input of vfd
-csmio digital output for enable vfd
-inverter ok to a csmio input
-and if you want the frequenzy reached to a csmio input

at least the 24V and GND.

Thomas



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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2015, 02:43:21 AM »
Thank you Thomas !
I will wok on VFD wiring diagram today and post here to have your opinion.


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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #65 on: June 04, 2015, 04:42:12 AM »
I have one wiring schema for the inverter , But I'm still concerning over those Analog Input....
@Thomas- have you any news from HSD, I try to find/google on HSD 7500 Manual but got no file found...

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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #66 on: June 04, 2015, 06:29:28 AM »
Hello Emil,

i have got no answer from HSD.

the wiring diagram looks ok, the only signal
i am not clear is this frequency level signal.
may be the best thing is to fire up the spindle
and have a look what is going on with this signal.

Thomas
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #67 on: June 04, 2015, 11:43:48 AM »
Thanks Thomas
I think is another mistake (knowingly or perhaps not) from the manufacturer of the electrical closet.
BTW I check all inputs and outputs , and discover 5-6 mistakes on pin assignations....e.g. on of them was by Axis enable (to output)
I wonder how is that possible to CNC-machine with start price at 125.000 euro on 2002 !?

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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #68 on: June 04, 2015, 12:35:49 PM »
Hello Emil,

here: http://www.gk-world.com/html/gongkongziliaowo/bpycd/bianpinqi/2013/1211/69372.html
i found a manual (scrolldown to get to wiring diagrams).
but some of the terminal numbers are different.

not realy shure what we can thrust ?

Thomas
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #69 on: June 05, 2015, 12:26:51 PM »
Thank you Thomas -
you are great
I wonder now if the electrical schemas from Dierre is OK ? I start to really doubt their info....after I found a lot of errors on their schematic project >:D ;D
I have some screen shoot over the schemas , I think the last solution is to dismantle the inverter and check if it looks like this manual, pin assign and other...