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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #100 on: August 02, 2015, 05:11:12 AM »
Hi Thomas
I separate the switches already but not remove the Rl 10 .I will try it again with RL 10 removed from chain.
If I will have no succes then I will buy (and mount) separate  limits switches for all axis XYZ -/+ .
thanks for "refresh"
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #101 on: August 02, 2015, 05:49:02 AM »
for a first test,
hit one of the limits and have a look what RL10 is doing.
something must be wron in this diagramm anyway,
because all the limits should be NC contacts.

Thomas
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2015, 05:12:38 PM »
Are there home switches as well as limits? If not then I would say you would be better off with separate home switches.

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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2015, 05:32:49 PM »
Are there home switches as well as limits? If not then I would say you would be better off with separate home switches.


Hi Hood
Long time not see you (r post)!
Home switches are present.
For better understand this matter see the switches pics on to the page 8 of my worklog.
Those are for Y-Axis but the X&Z have same principle .My problem is that 1 switch is responsible with  - and + and I think the soft can not discriminate wich is for - and wich is for +
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #104 on: August 03, 2015, 02:14:21 AM »
Hello Emil,

it is no problem for the software to handle + and - switch to be only one switch.

on my Weyrauch mill i have only one switch for + , - and home, also no problem.

Thomas
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #105 on: August 03, 2015, 01:58:45 PM »
As Thomas says, Mach or CSMIO does not care whether you have a single switch for + and - limits. On my Chiron it has a single switch on X, one on Y and one on Z. They are all linked in series (Normally closed switches) and if I hit a limit the machine stops.
Sounds to me like your Home switch is too close to your limit switch for the speed you are homing at AND the acceleration set in Motor Tuning. In other words the axes can not decelerate in the distance required before it hits the limit switch.
You have 2 options, actually 3. Reduce the homing speed, increase the acceleration or move the Home switch trigger further away from the Limit switch trigger.

Looking at the wiring Thomas posted it looks like the Limits are Normally Open, that is not really a good thing, much better if they are Normally Closed.
If they were Normally Closed then you could also have a momentary switch on your panel as an override so that if you hit a limit you can press and hold that switch and it will allow you to Reset Mach and jog off the limit.

Hood

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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #106 on: August 03, 2015, 04:52:16 PM »
Hello Hood,

glad to se you back.

--Looking at the wiring Thomas posted it looks like the Limits are Normally Open, that is not really a good thing, much better if they are Normally Closed.
--If they were Normally Closed then you could also have a momentary switch on your panel as an override so that if you hit a limit you can press and ------hold that switch and it will allow you to Reset Mach and jog off the limit.

that is what i wanted to try to explain.

the drawing must be wrong, because if the switches are "realy" NO swtitches the
emergerncy will never come up.

Thomas
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2015, 01:48:06 AM »
Thank you for the informations
I will check and test the wiring and/or new set-up on this week.
I wonder why the machine on old config (osai controller) run very fast on G0 (25 m/min) against limits and cross not over the home to trigg the -/+ switch ???
I try set-up on Motor Home/Lmits the slow -zone very large 20-30mm but the machine slowing not on home moving.
Perhaps you could look on my xml file to see what is wrong ....?

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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #108 on: August 04, 2015, 02:29:35 AM »
Hi,

i am not sure how you wired your encoders.
if you wired also the index of the encoders,
there would be a possibility to do a
home on index with the CSMIO.

Thomas
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Re: Retrofit CNC Bulleri FPM 2813-Osai controll with CSMIO-IP-A
« Reply #109 on: August 04, 2015, 02:56:51 AM »
Index is not wired.
attach is the manual of Dam 60 (BUM 60) drive , I not detected wich is the index.