Jim,
The first one with the clip on the back, I know this one, I have one sitting on the desk here in front of me. I too thought it would work good, but have since abandoned trying to convert it.
It has a ball swivel on the back of the camera that is fairly stiff but it can be easily moved. That part clips into a large clip/stand the clip opens up to clamp on something in the 1/2 to 3/4" range. I was able to pop the front chrome piece off the face but thats as far as I went to disassemble it, it looks like the rest of it will pop apart but not sure if it will damage the case doing that. The swivel ball would have been good if there was a way to firmly secure it or fine adjust it, in the end it just looked a little too cheap in the long run. It will focus very close, and would be good if you built a full enclosure for it.
The second one might be ok, I don't know enough about it to comment though.
Arnie