OK they are sitill there, I took the wires to the motor from one of the contactors as it was connected to the ATC which I removed, the spindle then started working. I kept a record of the wiring and when I have caught up with the job outstanding will have a go. There are so many wires going in some at 240v I was worried if I used them might do damage. When setting up the stepper drive cards I has a strange 240v supply into one of them which blew it up. Denford were renownwed in the early days for making adaptions and not recording them in their manuals. Attached a picture of the contactors for your reference, you can see the number of wires going into them, dont need M4 so going on the saying if it working dont mess.