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Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 05:03:48 PM »
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Your explanation is even better than the books.

Typical !  ;)

Thanks Graham,
RC  8)
Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 07:00:21 AM »
... In G97 spindle mode with a feed of 1 unit per minute (G94) and a spindle speed of 1000 the feed rate is 1/1000 = .001/rev if you then drop the spindle speed to 500 rpm then the feed is still 1 unit per minute but the feed rate is .002/rev...

Graham

Graham,

Bill Wulkan asked me to review your post reply.

On line three, I believe you have mixed apples and oranges.  FPM and IPR

In G97, G94:
.001 IPR @ 1000 RPM  => 1 IPM
.001 IPR @ 500 RPM  => 0.5 IPM  - Slower not faster.


In G97, G95:
.001 IPR @ 1000 RPM => Feed rate = .001
,001 IPR @  500 RPM => Feed rate = .001  The same, because the feed rate is locked to the RPM of the spindle.  As it should be with threading on a ANY lathe!

Wayne





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Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2009, 09:19:40 AM »
Wayne,
I believe Graham is correct.

Where you said
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On line three, I believe you have mixed apples and oranges.  FPM and IPR

In G97, G94:
.001 IPR @ 1000 RPM  => 1 IPM
.001 IPR @ 500 RPM  => 0.5 IPM  - Slower not faster.

The G94 is entered and constant at 1 IPM for both instances....Which makes the IPR change to .002 IPR.

RC
Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2009, 11:32:54 AM »
Overloaded,

Yes, for a constant 1 IPM.  I was calculating constant .001 IPR.  It get confusing when modes are mixed.  Bill is having trouble with the threading operation of Mach3 Lathe.
  His spindle speed is one PPR encoded and the feed per revolution is loosing position when the RPM changes slightly from thread tool  contact with the materail.  Bill should start another thread for threading...


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Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2009, 11:48:40 AM »
There is already a thread going for problems with lathes with small spindle motors and threading.
However what problems is Bill having?
Hood
Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2009, 01:42:43 PM »
Mangler,
  So you are referring to G95 for threading.....
In the quote, it is G94. So the feedrate is constant although the spindle speed can vary, as well as the chip thickness.
RC
Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2009, 06:29:30 PM »
Hello All,

Well I tried my lathe out today and used the following program code.  What I found was is if my actual spindle speed matches the programmed spindle speed than the feedrate DRO would reflect the correct .050 per revolution.  However if the actual spindle speed was slower than the programmed spindle speed than the feedrate DRO would reflect a slower feedrate, and if the actual spindle speed was faster than the programmed spindle speed the feedrate DRO shows a faster feedrate.

I would think the feedrate DRO should show a constant feedrate regardless of spindle speed.  Perhaps actual feedrate is correct and it is just the DRO showing compensation for the programmed spindle speed difference versus actual.

Please note I am not altering the spindle speed during the cut pass. I am using the single step mode and slightly adjusting the spindle speed usually 20-25 RPM  prior to each cut pass. 

The problem is I manually adjust a potentiometer for spindle speeds on my lathe so I can not program the correct spindle speed unless I stop to monitor it and than enter that speed in a program.  And it would be wrong if the spindle speed drifts.

Does anyone have an explanation of how the Feedrate DRO reflects a thread pitch and why it shows a variation according to actual spindle speed changes?

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G00 X0.525
G00 Z0.1
G00 X0.5
G76 X0.4 Z-2 Q1 P0.05 J0.006 L45 H0.022 I29 C0.025 B0.0001 T0
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Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2009, 06:33:03 PM »
Deleted because I read wrong :(
« Last Edit: March 02, 2009, 02:12:00 AM by Hood »

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Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2009, 06:37:00 PM »
Oh just another thought, make sure you have "Use Spindle feedback in sync mode" checked on Ports and Pins, Spindle Setup page if you want to do threading.
Hood
Re: Mach Turn Feed Per Revolution
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2009, 06:54:45 PM »
I don't have a lathe set up here now to check....or I would. And it doesn't seem to work in simulation.
It sounds as though the DRO is reading in UNITS/MIN even though it's running G95 and labled UNITS/REV.....and like you say, should be constantly showing .05

RC