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3020T and Win10 64 bit
« on: March 30, 2015, 12:35:37 PM »
Here's a challenge for you brainy people.
I have a Chinese 3020T works perfectly via parallel port in EMC2 and Mach3 in win 7.
Now the poser? How do I get it to work on Win10 x 64.
Software is installed and dro shows movement but no go.
Same config as win7 which did work, I am at a loss to know what to do next.
Any help much appreciated thanks.
Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 01:01:39 PM »
The parallel port doesn't work on 64 bit systems.... only 32 bit ... I believe you can get win10 in 32 bit(not sure though)... or upgrade to an external motion control like ESS.

Dave

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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015, 01:26:30 PM »
Patton is right. The parallel port does not work on any 64 bit OS but it also does not work on any OS after Windows 7............ not even if they are 32 bit. So no parallel port for Windows 8 or Windows 10.
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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 05:06:38 PM »
Thanks for the prompt replies, I have been doing some research and discovered as you have said.
Win10 is hitting the shelves and soon.
I can't be the only one who will need to use it and a cnc on the same bench.
Back to Linuxcnc then, I'll drop by occasionally and see if any progress has been made.

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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 06:39:15 PM »
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I'll drop by occasionally and see if any progress has been made.

No progress will ever be made. It's simply no longer possible to use the parallel port to control a CNC machine in windows 8 or newer.

With any 64 bit version of windows, or Windows 8 or newer, you can use Mach3 with an external motion controller. There are many different ones available, starting at around $100.
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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2015, 05:47:33 PM »
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No progress will ever be made.

Maybe not but that doesn't mean progress can't be made, I have looked at win 7, 8 and 10, the parport.dll is still in the system32/drivers directory and can be utilised in both 32 and 64 bit versions.

It is simply that someone is either to lazy or belligerent to do so or maybe the powers that be want to force us into buying more equipment.

Yes parallel and serial are old and outdated by usb, power over ethernet etc, and yes software has to be updated but that doesn't mean they can't be used any more.

To enable the parallel port in win 7, 8 and 10, 32 & 64 bit systems a simple command to turn on the service is all that is required.

Open a command prompt in admin mode and type "sc config Parport start= auto" push enter and reboot, your port is now active.

This tells the Service commander to swith parport on with every boot of the machine, I have tested this today on all these systems and it works, the pins are able to toggle with no issues.

Now all we need is a suitable driver?

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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2015, 06:45:44 PM »
Sometimes things are not as simple as one may think.
I would believe that if Mach could work with 64 bit systems it would have been done already.
So it's not lazy or belligerent, but, rather something one must accept!

Heck create your owne controller if you truely believe it can be done......

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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2015, 08:50:16 PM »
it's not that the parallel port doesn't work in later versions of windows... I believe Art had wrote something about how it worked somewhere. the mach3 P driver is actually like a virus that has to do with the memory. in regular software windows controls it but with mach.... mach takes control parallel port the computer and actually controls windows rather than windows controling mach. the recent versions of windows and all 64 bit versions have patched the security hole that mach parallel port once used to control windows..... This is the way I understood it anyways. So it's microsoft that put an end to it.


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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2015, 02:33:11 PM »
Ok for the brainy people.....

I have a 3020, on an XP machine. With a Parallel port.  I have Mach 3 set up to the point of being able to move the motors.  all three axis work.  I also have Mach 4 and Darwin, that I want to use to learn it, while I work on a Mill build.

I have all the same port settings and pin settings in both versions. 
In Darwin setup, I get indicator light changes on the port page, when I jog the motors.
I get green indicators and movement on the velocity indicators on the motor tab.
I get a reset change when I hit the estop on the controller box.

BUT... I get no physical motor movement in Mach4

So I'm at a loss of what to try next.

I would appreciate your thoughts

BAR

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Re: 3020T and Win10 64 bit
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2015, 02:44:18 PM »
Start a new thread in the Mach4 forum section, where Mach4 users will see it.
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