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Hi Brett,The idea of routing a 3D relief then lasering the detail and shading over the top was suggested over 12 months ago but, so far, I have not been able to get it just right.John’s (PicEngraver) excellent software http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,26003.0.html is well capable of doing the job if only I was more capable at using it. Tweakie.