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home switch and limit switch problem
« on: February 03, 2010, 08:05:13 AM »
Dear Bro

I have some problem with home switch and limit switch. My mach3 cnc machine uses one home switch and two limit switches for each axis. Mach3 cnc software cannot sense limit switch while reference home. I want to use limit switch while reference home. How can I change setting for this problem. Please help me. Thank a lot.....

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Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2010, 08:16:42 AM »
You  have to set the Home Switch up to the pin and port it is connected to in Ports and Pins, Inputs page.
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Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 07:40:02 AM »
Dear Hood

Thank for your reply. I had already set for home and limit switch input pins. I use pin number 11, 12, 13 for X, Y, Z home switches and 15 for all limit switches. All of the switch work well at running time.

But the limit switch cannot work while my machine is moving reference home. I press "All reference Home" button and then my machine moving home. At that time I push the limit switch button and it isn't work. After reference home finish, limit switch is work well. I think limit switch must be work while the machine is moving home. How can I solve this problem.

Please help me. My english is so bad. I hope you can understand what I mean. Thank you so much.

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Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 10:11:27 AM »
Ah Ok I see what you are meaning now.
Mach ignores limit switches when homing and I dont think there is an easy way to get around this.
On my machines I dont have home switches in Mach as I do the homing in my servo drives so if a limit is hit when I am homing Mach will E-Stop, but you need drives capable of homing to be able to do that. The other option would be to have the limits connected to your servo drives rather than Mach, but again that would need your drives to support this feature.

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Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 11:59:20 AM »
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can you explain WHY you want the limit switches to work while you are homing?

Ian
Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 10:21:54 AM »
High Tech Key

can you explain WHY you want the limit switches to work while you are homing?

Ian

Dear Ian

My machine has two limit switches and one home switch for each axis. One limit switch and one home switch of X axis exist at the right of the machine. So my machine must be move at the right side when homing. Last four days, my machine X axis arrived between home switch and right limit switch. At that time, I do machine homing and machine move to the rignt side. But home switch exist at the left side and machine touch the right limit switch. But mach3 software ignores limit switch while homing. So, X axis reached at the end of ball screw. Luckily, motor drive got error and stop motor without damage my machine. But it must be dangerous condition.

Some system uses one switch for home and limit together. It may be OK for this system. But my system uses home and limit switch separately. I think mach3 software should sense the limit switch while homing.

I hope you will understand what I mean. Please give me some advice how can I solve this problem? Thank a lot.....

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Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 11:08:36 AM »
I will ask  Brian if it could be an option in Rev4 that if separate Home and Limit switches are fitted then you can choose to have the Limits always monitored. I dont need it but I could see why some would and its definitely a feature I would like to see.

In the mean time what I would do in your situation is have the Home switch trigger longer so that once the switch is activated it is always on for the remainder of the travel in that direction. You could then write some VB and place it in the Ref All button. The VB would look at the state of the Home switches and if Active will pop up a message on screen to tell you and you can then jog off the limit and then press Ref All again.
The code in the button would look something like this

If GetOemLED(830) Then
MsgBox("X Axis on Reference Switch, please move off and Re-Reference")
End
End If

If GetOemLED(833)  Then
MsgBox("Y Axis on Reference Switch, please move off and Re-Reference")
End
End If

If GetOemLED(836) Then
MsgBox("Z Axis on Reference Switch, please move off and Re-Reference")
End
End If

DoButton( 24 )
DoButton( 23 )
DoButton( 22 )



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Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 11:32:03 AM »
Hi hightechkey

Ok I understand.

Let me see if I can convince you that even if Mach did what you wanted it would be a little pointless.

Suppose the limit did work as you wanted in your example. What would happen? Your axis would hit the limit and stop. You'd then have to jog off the limit and go to the other side of your home switch and then home again. You might as well have jogged to the correct side in the first place and then homed.

FWIW I've never really been able to see any advantage of having a "dedicated" home switch as opposed to a home/limit combination. The whole point is just to reference to a known position - it doesn't really matter what or where that position is.

I'd be intrigued to know why you have this setup - allways willing to learn.

Ian

Hood posted just as I was reviewing this (Hi Hood - how's it going?)

I can see where you're going but afraid I still can't see the point. Clearly I'm missing something. The thing is - how long do you make those trigger arms? and what's the overall purpose?
Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2010, 11:37:30 AM »
Dear Hood

Thank you very much for your advice. I will test them.....

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Re: home switch and limit switch problem
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2010, 11:41:25 AM »
Stirling
 the triggers would have to be from the Home switch to the end of the axis so that once on the home it will be on until it gets to the end of the travel.

As for the advantage, there are many and I will give you a few, firstly on my lathe I have long travels so its a waste to travel away to the end of the axis to reference. The next is the X on the lathe has two tool stations, a front  toolpost and a rear turret, I dont want the X axis to travel to one or other extent when referencing as it could cause one or other of the tools to colide with something, so I have it so the turrets/toolpst are approx equidistant from centreline. Another reason is like I have on my machines, Index homing, mine is done in my drives but Ed Gilbert used to sell a board that was capable of Index homing so you needed separate reference switches.

Hood