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Mach Discussion => Mach Screens => Finished Screens => Topic started by: ger21 on December 31, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
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http://thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html
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Gerry That is one of the BEST mach screensets I have seen. Have you thought about a PROBING page for all the normal probing setup functions.
Center of:
Circle (inside)
Circle (outside)
X axis (inside/outside)
Y axis (inside/outside)
A axis (inside/outside)
Edgefind
X
Y
Z
Find X/Y corner
G68 rotation
ETC,ETC
Just a thought, (;-) TP
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Thanks.
My thought was to make it a matching wizard, called from a toolbar button, so it would appear integrated into the screen.
But I have to do a lot of research, as I don't really know much about all the different probing operations.
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Something like this.
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Looking good... any plans for a lathe version?
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Nope. Don't have a lathe, and wouldn't know where to start. Sorry.
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A user reported a problem with the latest lockdown, 3.43.022, and I was able to duplicate it.
Mach3 will freeze up during a toolchange, when it asks you to press the Cycle Start button.
The M6Start and M6End run fine in the VB editor, but Mach3 hangs at the start of the M6end during a toolchange.
Until I can get it resolved, I recommend using 3.42.040 with this screen.
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Brian sent me a new test version of Mach3 that fixes the problem in the previous post. I believe it will be released as a development version, hopefully soon.
If you are using or want to use this screen, then do not use any 3.43.********* version through 3.43.022, as the M6 macros will freeze your computer, requiring a manual power-off and reboot.
Edit. the **** are supposed to be 3 x's, but the site must be thinking that I'm posting p o r n .;)
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Brian has now posted version 3.43.028, which I've tested the macros on it and they appear to work fine.
Personally, I'd still recommend using 3.42.040 until the current lockdown is updated to at least the current development version.
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This is amazing work, ger21! I wish I would be that advanced...oh well, eventually. :) How much time did you invest in making this screenset? Since Im still pretty new to it all Im trying to get a feel for the work and time involved with such projects. Btw, it seems to work all fine for me too (3.42). :)
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Thanks.
Somewhere over 100 hours. Depends on how I calculate it. :) I actually started creating a Flash screen. I abandoned that idea, and started on this. I used a lot of the layout I had already done, and am not counting that time. It took most of my spare time for about 2 months.
The layout of the controls can be very time consuming. And once you have that figured out, the inevitable additions and modifications add a lot of time, as things need to be moved around and rearranged.
Right now I'm making some minor changes. Adding a single checkbox is requiring about 2 hours of Photoshop work to move things around so I can squeeze it in.
Writing the macros took about 10-15 hours, but needed daily beta testing for about two full weeks. This was to make them as safe as possible for the end users, trying to take into account everything that someone might try to do, which could result in a machine crash. They were tested on both an inch setup and metric setup. If this was just for myself, the macros might have only taken an evening or two. :)
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Hi Jerry,
I really like the look of you new screens, but the main problem is the resolution - most new screens are wide screen.
If you were to make a widescreen version, I would definitely buy it.
Regards
Steve
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You can run it in a 1024x768 window on a widescreen just fine.
Sorry, but i won't be making a widescreen version, as long as I can get 15" 1024x768 LCD's for $20 used.
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is there no button on the home screen for g/m code display like in the default screen set? if not, there is plenty of room on the toolbars at the top to add it.
ger21, you did a good job on this screen set. im a little disheartened at your dismissal of any request that isnt immediately relevant to you though. i wish you would have posted that on your website because i wouldnt have bought it had i known you would only support features that apply specifically to you.
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I'm a little disheartened at your dismissal of any request that isn't immediately relevant to you though.
Because I don't own a widescreen monitor? ???
Did you buy the Screen for features that weren't in it? If so, PM me, and I'll refund your money. Where does it say on my site that I'll be adding more features to the screen?
When I released the Screen, I considered it finished, with no plans for further development, as I had already spent a considerable amount of time on it. Adding a single feature can take several hours to several days.
Not sure what specific features you're looking for? Have you contacted me about adding any features?
I'm getting ready to send out a new version, with updates requested by users. None of which I have any use for.
I've filled most of the toolbar with the new features, but I'll add a button for the G Codes. I can't add the M codes, because they are part of the standard screen set.
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I didn't mean any offense. Maybe it was just the way you phrased it, but the monitor statement just rubbed me the wrong way. It's possible I've just been reading into your posts too much, but I've seen posts similar to that in other forums. I'll drop it though as you seem to be doing what I accused you of not doing, so I was wrong.
It isn't a huge issue to have the Gcodes but it would be really helpful, at least for me. If I'm the only person who has requested it though I'd understand if you didn't want to spend a ton of time adding the feature.
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Honestly, I haven't had more than one person requesting any specific feature. It's always just one person that would like to have something.
Sorry for not being more eloquent, I guess. :) All I was saying is that used LCD's are available for really cheap.
Yes, you're reading way too much into my posts.
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I've sent out an update to registered users, and updated the web page.
Added the following:
Feedrate DRO
Button to open G-Code list in browser window
Button to open Newfangled Solutions wizard
Button to zero XY to laser point or crosshair
Option to ignore toolchange auto zero during M6
XY Probing Wizard
http://home.comcast.net/~cncwoodworker/2010.html
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This is an awesome screenset, but as I play with it more I realize it is more than eye-candy, it is feature-packed. Thanks again for all your hard work you put into this.
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+1
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Thanks guys. I like it too. :)
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Hi There, I recently paid to have this screen set and after spending a day installing my touch pad probe etc on to the machine i finally gave the auto tool a go, wow!, can it get any easier.... money well spent i recon! just one question, is there a legend to the keyboard shortcuts, especially for the auto tool functions, as i want to build a probe with a button, so i just place the probe on the material and press button and the auto zero kicks in .....
Thankyou again for a really usefull Screen!
:D
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There are no Shortcut keys for the Auto Zero buttons. All the other shortcut keys are listed in the manual in the Toolbar Button section.
If you want to add them, it's pretty easy to do. Open the .set file in Screen4 (Specify the correct size, it's in the manual toward the back. 1015x726 I think)
Right click on the button you want to add the shortcut key to. Check the Hotkey box, and press the key(s) you want to use for the shortcut. Save and your done.
I can do it for you if you want, just email me what you want them to be, and let me know if you're using the 3 axis or 4 axis version.
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Hi Gerry,
Thankyou for that, i need to learn this stuff so i followed your directions and managed to set the hotkeys, Didnt know it was that easy,
Cheers Lee..... :)
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Hi Gerry,
Boy, you have done a fine job and are to be congratulated.
I spent some time yesterday installing your 2010 Screen Set. I have explored most of the features and find the placement and access to them to be very user friendly. The placement of both the Job Coordinate and Machine Coordinate DRO's side by side is an excellent idea. The large work view area is another bonus. The options you put in each of dialog boxes are well thought out and add to the ease of use of your screen set. The Semi-Automatic tool changer looks like it will be a real GEM. I haven't mounted my fixed tool plate permanently yet, but did test the operation with a temporary movable plate. I wired up the tool plates like you suggested and everything worked like a charm. That is a real time saver and will allow me to do tool changes of the parts I make on the router. The Park Position, Safe Z, and REF Home buttons are handy and easy to use. I might add that you have been very prompt in answering all my questions as they pertain to your 2010 Screen Set.
When I purchased my Shopbot router I thought I was pretty much ready to go, but have spent some time getting acquainted with Mach3 and the many options that can added to a stripped down machine to make it a really nice machine tool. The Super PID solved my RPM issues and your 2010 screen set has just added the whipped cream to the whole setup.
Thanks again for a GREATLY ENHANCED PRODUCT with SUPER SUPPORT and a price that is OUTSTANDING! Wish you the Best! :)
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Just installed this screen set and going through the set up docs...
A couple things I really appreciate right off the bat... Being able to home an individual axis.. and the ability to bring up the G codes list from the tool bar... I was wondering if there was a comprehensive list somewhere (probably in the Mach 3 manual Smiley).. as I didn't know what all those codes meant...
Is there a way I can turn on or modify images so that the icons show what they are when I hover the mouse over them?
I'm using the screen set in a window on a higher res monitor, so I'm kinda planning to add some duplicate buttons and what not in the extra available real estate... Then this thing will really be 'just what I needed'...
First impressions are 'nice'... Somethings are confusing right now, but I'm sure most things will become clearer as I read through the docs...
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Hi Gerry,
Trying to set up the auto tool change and auto zero system today...
Some questions,
First question...
My BOB has inputs in 'pairs.. IOW, an input and a ground for that input..
For instance, I have my home switches set up to go active low... when the switch is engaged the high signal input is shorted to the corresponding ground for that input on the BOB. For example the Z axis home input on the BOB is assigned to "Z Home" in the ports and pins page, and when the switch is engaged, it shorts that pin to the "Z--" input in the ports and pins page..
So, my understanding of how this will work for the auto zero/tool change is that I would connect the fixed/moveable calibration plates wire to the 'probe' input and set it for "active low" in Mach 3 (I can set it up for "active high" if that is better).... The I would take the other wire of that input pair and attach it to the router housing or mount.... Looking at the ports and pins page, I see where to assign the probe input, but I do not see where to assign the ground...
So in my case, I have the probe input connected to the parallel port pin 10, and it's corresponding ground pin is pin 21.. It is this ground pin that I do not know how to assign... Or does it not matter in that pin (pin 21) is part of a global ground and doesn't need to be assigned?
Second Question...
I wanted to go ahead and just test it by shorting the probe input to ground (haven't tried this yet), but on the diagnostics flyout, I can not find an LED shown for the probe input.. Is it called something else? Or is it on another page?
Third question...
In your set up guide, you state that the top of the Z axis travel must be zero (home), and that when it jogs 'down' it must go in the negative Z direction.. This is what I have set up on my machine now... However, on the image you have in the docs, it shows Y reversed and Z not reversed.. My Z is currently reversed (green check mark next to Z in the 'reverse' column).. If I uncheck it, then my Z is opposite of what you are saying it should be (and my home system is jacked)... Is the image a typo? Or have I set something else up wrong? I set it up according to the limits video tutorial on the Mach 3 Site...
Anyways, I'm kinda hovering here for the moment until I get these questions answered..
Thanks,
Mark
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1. All the grounds on your breakout board are most likely tioed together, so it shouldn't matter what ground it. My router is plugged into the same circuit as my PC power supply, and I didn't need to run a ground wire, as the ground from the parallel port is tied into the ground of the circuit, and it works that way. If you're breakout board is isolated, than again, any ground on the board should work.
2. I think it's labeled digitize on the Diagnostics page, but the LED is on every page, upper right, next to the Machine Coordinate DRO's.
3. Reverse column doesn't matter. If you change two wires on your steppers, they'll change direction. If you change the dir active low setting, it'll change direction. So, there are 3 ways to change a motors direction, so the Reverse column depends on the other two scenarios. Basically, don't worry about it.
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Thanks Gerry... I went back and read my BOB docs and it supposedly has every input opto-isolated and protected, so I just shorted out the two wires and watched the diagnostics page.. and the digitize LED lit up, so it's connected to my terminal strip I mounted on the side of the table ready for hook up to plates...
I'll test it with a wire direct to the router to see if I need to run that ground or not...
Once I get the plates made and installed, I have some questions on tool change code in the program being run.. And once those are asked and answered, I guess I can try it out... and then maybe think about setting up the X-Y probing wizard after that.... That would have come in very handy after jamming my Y limit the other day...
Thanks,
Mark
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Mine didn't ground through the power cord like yours, I guess because of the opto-isolation on the BOB, so I just ran a wire from the ground input to an X rail mounting bolt, and then a jumper wire from a bolt that holds the wooden gantry supports to the X carriages to a bolt that attaches the wooden Gantry mount to the aluminum gantry, and now the circuit is complete to the router bit...
Next to make some zero plates and what not, now that it's all wired...
Thanks,
Mark
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Hi Gerry,
Had to switch back to this forum as I think CNC Zone is down... Can't edit posts and when I try and reply, no matter what I type I get a message that my message is to short I need to enter at least 1 character.. If I try it on the Mac, I can't even enter data in the reply window... Nothing happens when I click on a smily, and when I click on the more button in the smily window, I'm bumped to the top of the page (on both machines).. so you might want to let someone know over there..
Anyways, on to my reason for coming here..
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Got a problem....
I created the file I was talking about with the .001 cuts..
I homed the table, selected my offset, did the auto zero routine..
Loaded the program..
Hit 'cycle start'...
It went to the tool change position and waited..
Got a message to hit cycle start after tool change...
Waited a minute, hit cycle start..
button didn't depress.. nothing happens.. I wait a bit...
If I click the button again or click anywhere else, the little hourglass appears and stays that way... If I click anywhere else or on the button again, I get a message in parentheses after my 'licensed to' name in the top of the Mach 3 window that says 'not responding'..
I have to force quit... Then I can not restart the app, nor the computer.. I have to do a force shut down on the computer with the power button...
I have tried this at least a dozen times now.. same result each time... If I load an older file created with the regular Mach 3 post, same thing happens.. If I go into config>general and set it to ignore tool change, then all is normal (just no tool change ability)...
So I only have a problem when I try and click on 'Start Cycle' after the machine hits an M6 call and waits for me to hit the button.. Soon as I do, the app locks up.. I have to force quit and force shut down the computer...
This routine is crashing Mach 3 somehow... I'm 'hoping' this all sounds familiar to you..
Thanks for all your help,
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I just went through a similar situation. In the Mach 3 Screen Go to help>about and check what version of Mach 3 you are running. If you are running 3.43.022 there is a bug in the software that will cause it to lock up. If you go to the Mach 3 website and update to version 3.42.040 all should work fine.
If you do a search here I think this has been talked about in a previous post. I read about this situation on Gerry's website and thought I had the correct version loaded but somehow I loaded the wrong one. All is PERFECT now.
Hope this is your issue and that you get it sorted out. What a GREAT ScreenSet.
John
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Thanks John. I have to sleep sometimes. :)
Mark,
As the manual, and my website says, you can't use V3.043.022. There was a bug that was fixed in development version 3.043.028
You need to either go back to 3.42.040, or use the latest development version.
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Hi Gerry,
I have no problem with you sleeping.. ;D
We have that whole time difference thing... The customer support you provide for this $20 item is amazing! I wish I could get even a smidgeon of that kind of support from my phone company!
I can't post over at the Zone for some reason.. Have 'no' idea why seeing as it's on both the PC and the Mac.. won't accept data in the editor.. Hope they get it fixed, or I do, or whatever..
Anyways,
I'm just happy you guys know what is causing this.... I'm assuming I get this update from the ArtSoft page, so I'm off to look...
After I install the beta, do I need to replace the Macros again, or will they stay intact from this install?
BTW, I'm unable to find this info in the manual.. But John says it's on your website, so I'll go there and review it too..
Thanks again,
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I am able to post to the zone so you might want check with their webmaster to see if somehow your settings are corrupted there.
John
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I just went through a similar situation. In the Mach 3 Screen Go to help>about and check what version of Mach 3 you are running. If you are running 3.43.022 there is a bug in the software that will cause it to lock up. If you go to the Mach 3 website and update to version 3.42.040 all should work fine.
Hi John, I'm new to the PC platform.. Since the version we are talking about is an older version than the one I have, do I need to uninstall the current Mach3 first? I've heard about uninstall on the PC, but have never done it or how to know which things have to be uninstalled or whatever...
Will I be losing any features in Mach3?
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No, you shouldn't have to do anything but install it. It'll overwrite the current version, but shouldn't change any of your settings.
You can get 3.42.040 from the FTP site here, in the Mach folder.
ftp://anonymous:guest@machsupport.com/
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BTW, I'm unable to find this info in the manual..
Sorry, I thought it was in there, but it's not. I'll add it when I get a chance.
But it was in the email you got with the files. ;)
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When I run the installer, it asks what features I want to install.. It has 'screensets' checked.. Should I uncheck that, or let it install the screensets?
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Doesn't really matter. I leave it unchecked, as they should be already installed.
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Okay, now it all works!
Very, very nice Gerry! Gonna save me a load of time and hassle!
Back over to the other thread.. Thanks!
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Hi Gerry,
I just installed the screenset last night and it looks great. One question: When I use the ref all home button does it have the same functionality as the normal mach 3 ref all home? Like, do I have to do anything different to make it ref both x axis motors (X and A) independently (to square the gantry)? Or does it just use the X axis home switch?
I have this function working in the normal mach 3 screen - just wondering if it is a different macro or not?
I'm looking forward to getting the probing working! Great screen set.
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It functions the same as the default mach3 macro, but it's different code, in a different place. My manual has a section on modifying the homing macros, near the end. Read that, and if you need more help, let me know.
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I've sent out what I think will be the last update. I had 3 or 4 emails bounce back, so if anyone didn't receive it, let me know.
The main update is to the probing wizard, which got a few new features.
Kyel Smith graciously donated two modified widescreen versions (1650 and 1920 wide) which are included in the update.
Thanks to everyone for their support, and spreading the word about the screenset!!
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While zeroing my machine yesterday, I managed to get it to hit the Z limit switch a few times. The issue was a large Material Offset without enough clearance.
So I modified the auto zero macros so this can no longer happen.
I also discovered that I included the wrong 2010x.set file in the last update.
I just sent out the fixes in V1.1.2 a little while ago. Email me if you didn't get it or have any issues.
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Gerry, having some trouble with the laser crosshair. Hoping you can help.
When I click the button. Nothing. Nothing moves, nothing happens, the DRO's don't change.
Now, when I go into 'VB Script Editor', open M890, I see the (correct) code. When I click on the 'Run Script' button, it acts as I would expect. The DRO's change to my offset.
Any idea on what I am doing wrong? Must be a silly problem.
Here is the code from my M890 in-case I buggered something up.
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XOffset = -120 'X offset from laser crosshair to spindle
YOffset = 120 'Y offset from laser crosshair to spindle
SetOEMDRO(800,XOffset)
SetOEMDRO(801,YOffset)
Sleep(125)
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Cheers,
KS
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Did you try rebooting the PC? Usually that clears up strange issues like that.
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Yeah. Its been happening for quite a few weeks. Is there another macro accessible from a button? I wonder if it that specific macro, or all macros in general...
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It works on my desktop, but I'll check in the garage in a little while. I think that there are about 10 macros that are called by buttons. Plus the probing.
Couple things to try.
1) delete the macro and create a new file from scratch.
2) Add some msgbox commands to see if anything is happening, and where the problem lies.
XOffset = -120 'X offset from laser crosshair to spindle
Msgbox "1"
YOffset = 120 'Y offset from laser crosshair to spindle
Msgbox "2"
SetOEMDRO(800,XOffset)
Msgbox "3"
SetOEMDRO(801,YOffset)
Msgbox "4"
Sleep(125)
3) Try creating a new .xml file from scratch. Just grasping at straws here. :)
What version of Mach3??
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Hi Gerry,
I deleted the macro and tried again, no difference.
I added messageboxes, and no difference.
But I did figure out a fix. I went into the screen designer, and changed the button from execute G-Code (M890) to execute basic script (with the code from M890 macro) and it works fine.
Does this screenshot look correct?
http://tincannetwork.com/files/Capture.PNG
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I use Screen4, not MachScreen, but it looks OK? Not sure why it's not working for you??
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Yeah, weird. I cant figure it out either.
Oh well, problem solved. If anybody else has a problem like this, I'd suggest copy-pasting the macro code into the button, and setting the button to 'Execute Basic Script'. Worked for me. Once I get a touch probe, I will test all the other macros to determine if it is macro's in general or if it is just one button.
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NEVER MIND. User error!
(I'm an idiot and was confusing my two (separate) Mach3 installations. I hadn't installed the macro files into my profile correctly.)
Thanks Gerry. Still loving the screenset. Well worth the couple of bucks.
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NEVER MIND. User error!
don't know if it's good or bad, but that's the problem 99% of the time ;)
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Nicely done Ger, but one question about the videos and laptop use,
you said you had a button set up to act as the probe, I have tried the emulate check mark on the probe input, the led lights, but it doesn't stop the virtual simple zero or tool change zero.
Any hints would be helpful, I'm using mach3 3.042.040 on vista, on my laptop
I thought familiarizing myself on my crashproof virtual laptop machine would be ideal.
thanks again, nicely done ;)
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Do you have the parallel port driver installed? That's all I can think of??
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ger:
I really like the "2010 Screenset" and the tool change works like a dream. Just one request........ Is there a way to make the 'Line #' window show more digits. Sometimes I need at least 6 digits showing when making large reliefs.
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Send me an email and let me know what .set file you're using.
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Thanks to Jean-Philippe CIVADE, the French version of the 2010 Screenset is now available, and there's a link on my site to a French version of the page, with French version screenshots.
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HIYA Gerry Is there a demo version of the screenset, We were sitting around talking about IF anyone had created a HASS or Mazak looking screenset . Yours came to mind. Just wanted to compare yours to those others(;-)
(;-) TP
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Hello ger21 I bought from you screensets and very happy to use it. tell me has it possible to manage A axis in the manual mode with the keyboard of your computer as other axes? I apologize for my bad english
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Just go to Config >Hotkeys and set the keys you want to use for the A axis.
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thanks for the quick reply I now have what he wanted. I apologize for my bad english
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I have installed the screen2010 (from last August) and very happy to run my machine with its big tool path display.
BTW
Recently, I try to get signal of actual spindle revolution. As a test, I have assigned INDEX input to PIN#15.
It could be shown on screen 1024 by "Emulated" with a hotkey.
My question is;
Is there any way to display the actual RPM on the screen2010 ?
"RPM" display on the screen2010 is the value of M3 command (e.g. 6000 from M3 S6000), not the actual. Is this correct ?
Thanks in advance for your kind help/assistance.
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Do you need to see both the commanded speed and actual? I modified a screen for someone to do that. Send me an email explaining what you want and I'll se what I can do.
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Hi GER
I Have your screenset which i paid for just reset up my machine and i have set up touch plates when i press to do a part i keep getting error message ERROR# EXPANDED FILE NOT FOUND AT : C:/Mach3/Screenset/Macros/2010x.set/master/headers/copyright
and Licences Notice m1s.
have you any idea whats the problem.
thanks johnmb1946
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That message is from the MSM screenset, not mine.
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thanks gerry
buy the way how do i get the spindle to turn on after a tool change
the gcode program has a m3 in but spindle does not start it seems to miss starting it.
thanks
john
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Can I see the code? And your .xml?
It should start if there's an M3. Does it start at the beginning of the g-code?
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i Gerry
here's the xml and a file i have been cutting
thanks
john
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You don't have Mach3 configured to turn on your spindle. You need to setup an output pin, and assign that pin to M3, on the spindle tab of the ports and pins page.
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Hi Gerry
Sorted thanks machine now sorted after a year of alterations just got a 4th axis to do now.
John
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Hi,
okay ive been using the 2010 screen set under mach 3.042.040. After it completes an M06 and goes back to the last position before the M06 call then does the M03, mach doesn't always pause for the spindle spin up and instead executes the next move (usually a G0) and very soon after stalls my x and often my Y motors. Anyone else run into this? also looking at the code the execution line looks something like this.
N300 G00 X233.05 Y130. S2000 M03
The error does not happen every time which has made it hard to trouble shoot. I've been through checking the motors, made some inertial dampers, set the max speed to something reasonable 3000mm per sec (around 118ips) and accel at 150 (0.01g).
Any help would be geat
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You should probably have that as 2 separate lines:
N300 S2000 M3
N301 G00 X233.05 Y130
Also, do you have a spin up delay set in ports and pins > Spindle Tab?
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thanks for the quick reply :)
i posted this also in general, hood said the same thing. Oh and yes i have a delay for the spin up.
ill have to hand edit untill i sort the post out.
thanks again
ab.
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Hi, I've having some problem using this screenset along with Mach3 R3.043.062. Sometimes during toolchanges my steppers stall out entirely. This never happens during normal rapids, just rapids caused by 2010 screenset. The problem goes away if I turn of toolpath display or unload my g-code file. Is there any workaround for this? My computer (XP 2500+, 1gb ram) should be sufficient to drive this config?
I'm using Gecko G540 as stepper driver, if that has something to do with it.
Other than the problem above I'm much pleased with the looks and feel of this screenset.
Thanks
Petter
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I was typing this in response to the post you made in the other thread, but I'll place it here instead. I think your issue may be due to #1?
I'm experiencing the exact same problem that you are describing. Stalling motors during move commands from 2010 screenset.
I've had 4 users come to me with this issue. It's probably one of two things.
1) If you have a dual core processor, go into the bios and disable either C1E or EIST.
this fixed the issue for 3 people.
2) the 4th user was using an old PC that just wasn't capable of displaying the larger toolpath. Open the task manager and check the CPU usage with g-code loaded. Then turn the toolpath on and off with the toolbar button. The user that had the problem was seeing 90%CPU usage without the machine even running, but only 3% with the toolpath turned off.
If this is the issue you're having, the machine should run smoothly with the toolpath turned off. But you really need a better PC.
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Do you need to see both the commanded speed and actual? I modified a screen for someone to do that. Send me an email explaining what you want and I'll se what I can do.
I'd like to have both visible but not necessarily at the same time (to keep from taking up too much desktop space)
For those that have spindle speed feedback set up, I think having the ability to simply toggle between the two would be nice. (small radio button above the DRO).
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For those that have spindle speed feedback set up, I think having the ability to simply toggle between the two would be nice. (small radio button above the DRO).
Sorry, but it's not possible to do that.
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Hmmm... Okay, I'd have thought you could make the DRO show whatever you want it to via a macro. (Don't know enough to talk any more about it.)
Here's a reference sheet I made for the buttons. Others may find it useful until they get used to their setup.
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I was typing this in response to the post you made in the other thread, but I'll place it here instead. I think your issue may be due to #1?
I'm experiencing the exact same problem that you are describing. Stalling motors during move commands from 2010 screenset.
I've had 4 users come to me with this issue. It's probably one of two things.
1) If you have a dual core processor, go into the bios and disable either C1E or EIST.
this fixed the issue for 3 people.
2) the 4th user was using an old PC that just wasn't capable of displaying the larger toolpath. Open the task manager and check the CPU usage with g-code loaded. Then turn the toolpath on and off with the toolbar button. The user that had the problem was seeing 90%CPU usage without the machine even running, but only 3% with the toolpath turned off.
If this is the issue you're having, the machine should run smoothly with the toolpath turned off. But you really need a better PC.
Hi again, thank you for your response. As mentioned earlier I'm running on a Athlon XP 2500+ which is a single core processor.
I've done some tests and it seems that something in the 2010 scripts puts a good load on the CPU.
While running a normal job, and when manually jogging at full speed I'm experiencing a CPU load at maximum 60% from mach3. But the load spikes during rapids caused by 2010 macros. The CPU then reaches near 99%, but only when display toolpath is checked, otherwise it's stable at 20-30%.
Could this be some kind of bug in the isMoving() command or is it the While IsMoving() that's eating up this load? If this is the case can't a delay be added to lengten this loop?
As a really ugly solution would it be possible to turn off the toolpath display during these moves?
Somehow I get the feeling that this computer should be enough to power Mach III, could be wrong though;)
Again, thanks for the support //Petter
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There are no macros running when you're jogging or running g-code. The CPU load is entirely due to the larger toolpath display. Unfortunately, Mach3's toolpath display is very resource intensive, and it sounds like your PC just isn't good enough to do the job.
I believe the other user with a similar problem was also running a single core Athlon. He tried a better video card, but it didn't help. He changed to a P4 and saw 10% or lower CPU loads.
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Just upgraded to a new computer now, P4 3.0GHz, 9700pro, 1GB ram and with this setup all my earlier mentioned problems are gone, thanks for your input!
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There's an open source pendant that works with Mach3 on Kickstarter right now.
If anyone using the 2010 Screenset is interested in it, I'll have modified versions of the 2010 screens available when it's finished.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651082654/jog-it-open-source-controller-pendant-for-emc2-and
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Hello ger21 and all happy users,
I just bought your great screenset 2010 some days ago, and it looks great...
Unfortunately, I got some serious problems with:
I'm totally unable to start my VFD spindle with it.
I'm using the famous Huanyang VFD plugin. I can hear a relay "clicking" once but the spindle never starts.
When I enter a speed into the box and press enter, the speed goes to zero immediatly.
With default screen, spindle runs OK.
Of course, screenset is totally unusable for me.
Do you have any solution for me ?
Thank you !
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Use the MDI to change the spindle speed. Just hit Enter, and type S10000 (or whatever rpm you want), and hit enter again.
The box displays the currently set speed, but doesn't allow you to change it. It sounds like your rpm is set to 0, so the spindle isn't spinning.
Mach3 defaults the spindle speed to 0 rpm. As a workaround, I add S10000 to my Initialization string in General Config, so that when I click Reset, it sets the spindle speed to 10,000 rpm, so it's never at 0. When I'm cutting, my g-code sets the spindle speed.
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Yeppeee ! Works !
Thank you !
I'm also looking for some informations about how the use a Webcam with Mach3/ScreenSet2010 to ease my life.
(Off topic, I know ;-)
Do you have any links ?
Thank you again !
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You should be able to set up the laser zeroing button to work with your webcam. I've never used one, but if you enter the offset distance from your spindle into the laser macro, then jog the machine until the webcam is at 0,0, then pressing the laser button should zero the spindle to the webcam location. See the manual for info on editing the laser macro.
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I am very new to this so if my question sound lame bare with me. i have a licenced version of Mach 3. i made a plate that is .0641 thick, i want to use it to zero the top of my work piece. I have connected to an empty pin and tested the connection it makes (which works) . i have seen videos of machines touching off on a work piece then raise up a little and then come back down super slow and touch off again thus finding the work piece top, then the machine goes over to a permanent plate touches off and then it is ready to go. my question is how do I get my machine to automatically touch off on these plates and does the permanent plate connect to the same pin as the moveable one? i am assuming that this procedure is in the Mach 3 software. But I am unable to find out how. I have heard that you can write your own C++ program code to do this, but since I am clueless as to how to do that. is there some add on i can get, purchase, or a simple procedure to do this? Am I making sense? thanks in advance guys
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is there some add on i can get, purchase, or a simple procedure to do this? Am I making sense? thanks in advance guys
You need to write VB macros to do it, or find some to download.
Or, you can purchase my screenset, which is what this thread is about, or you can download the Big Tex screenset. I think there's a link here. http://www.machsupport.com/screens.php
Both of these screensets are setup to do what you want, but they each do it a bit differently.
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thanks i just purchased your screenset. i watched the two videos on your web page. i downloaded the manual and read it. it didn't say anything about how to wire up the two pads to be used. back to my original question do both touch pads get wired to the same pin?
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Yes, both wired to the same pin, and that pin assigned to the Probe signal on Ports and Pins>Input pins.
Thanks.
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Hi, I've been playing with the probing routines, pretty slick but I'm having a problem, when I switch back to the mach3 main screen, mach blows up, displays art error code 9988 and I have to kill mach with the task manager, doesnt happen every time, but most of the time, any clue what it could be?
John
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Do you have a slow PC? I've seen on slow PC's where entering and exiting wizards can cause an EStop, but I've never seen an error message. If it takes more than about 3 seconds for the screenset to reload, Mach3 will Estop.
Try turning off watchdogs in general config and see if that helps.
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Yes, its a rather slow old HP with half a gig of ram. I turned off the watchdogs and that improved it but not quite so I changed the kernel speed from 35k to 25k and it hasnt done it again yet. Fingers crossed.
Thanks a lot.
John
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Gerry,
Several questions:
1) When will 2010 screen set become 2012 or 1013 or 2014 screen set?
2) Do you have an pictures of A axis implementation? I have a 4 axis machine.
3) Have all the bugs been worked out? I have been following your screen set for a while but I am not an early adopter. I have Mach 3 R3.043.049.
Thanks
Dave
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1) It won't. It was finished the day I released it. If there is a 2014 screenset, it will be completely different.
2) Attached
3) I think I had one actual bug reported in the two years It's been available. Afaik, there are no bugs. Basically, other than the probing macros, everything works like the normal screenset, it just looks better. :)
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I installed the screenset i bought from you and went through the set up. how do i get it back to Inches? my DRO's are reading in MM's. everything was set to Inches before i installed the screenset. even the bottom of the screen references mm's. im sure it is something simple but i can't find it in the configs of the screenset.
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Hit "Enter", and type G20, and hit "Enter" 2 more times.
There's nothing in the install or screenset to switch it to mm's. Did you by chance run some metric g-code?
It's a good idea to have a G20 at the start of your g-code to make sure Mach3 is in the correct mode when running your inch g-code.
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thanks. as far as i can recall the last thing i cut was an L shaped homing bracket. i checked the pattern in Vcarve Pro where i made it and it was in Inches. for all i know i did something during the set up. i have to finish setting it up tomorrow. still have safe z and my stationary plate setup.
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the more I do the less I know. I finished setting up the screenset set up. run the double plate setup. that ran great told me the fixed plate was set. so i loaded a g code, moved off home and ran the work piece height which worked great. i hit cycle start and my machine went to the change tool position and said hit cycle start after tool change. since the tool i needed was already in my router i hit cycle start. i figured it would go to the fixed plate touch off and then get to cutting. well the hour glass came up and whizzed around for about 10 min and nothing happened. of course it says at the top Mach 3 not responding. took forever to shut down Mach3. i opened up Mach3 and rechecked all the numbers i used to do the screenset setup, all seems OK with them. so i tried again same result after tool change prompt to hit cycle start nothing. I'm sure I am doing something wrong but I don't know what.
Back info.
computer used for my machine has Windows XP, Mach 3, Vcarve Pro, Norton, and a wireless connection to my house internet. that's it i bought a new computer (3 months ago) for my machine no extra crap on it. in fact i don't use Vcarve on it to do design work, i have a different computer for that, i just have Vcarve on it to check designs if a problem arises.
I'm sure once it get it to work right i will be happy as a Pig in S--t. i must say i do like the actual window for the screenset very easy to get to all the features available on it. nice job GER.
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The hourglass is caused by a bug when you use version 3.43.022. Double check that, because the screenshot you sent me was 3.42.040 I think?
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Isn't that just ducky i have 3.043.022. tell me there is a fix for this or do i have to wait till there is an update, or can i go back to an eariler version?
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OK i read thru more posts and found where to find 3.42.040 version. when i install this older version will i have go thru all of the setup again? also will my license number for my current version still be good?
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There's a new lockdown version that should work fine.
http://www.machsupport.com/ccount/click.php?id=1
I sent you an email about the other issue.
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Thanks Gerry for the link. i haven't gotten the email yet but i will let you know.
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Gerry I never got your email
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If you get it, disregard it now that you have it working.
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gerry i just wanted to say thanks. i updated to a different ver Mach3 and your screen set works great. i have started to design and cut some new pieces for my DIY machine to make the cut area bigger. only thing i have to do is remember to change my static settings for my permanent touch off plate as i change the table area. For anyone who reads this chain about Gerry's screenset, I say it is well worth the cost. make life so much easier.
off topic question: does anyone know of a real good G code to DXF program? free would be great, under $50 would be OK.
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Gerry
not sure what i am doing wrong but its something. I am trying to surface plane my table
1. i ref all home Machine and work all 0.00. no offsets. Z home is top of travel.
2. i connect my probe to router and run the single zero. Z comes down and touches off (table surface) (my plate is .0641 thick) then raises to 1.125 ( my safe Z setting)
3. then X & Y move to tool change position (same X,Y,Z as whats in the setup manual)so far so good.
4. hit cycle start and X & Y go to fixed plate position (out side of work area and set on 3/4 plywood block, same size plate there too. comes down touches off
5. when it moves back to my starting point and runs the g code the bit is 3/4 of an inch from the surface. this happens with or without the the material ref checked.
is my fixed plate supposed to be lower than my table?
Here is my g code
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2. i connect my probe to router and run the single zero
You MUST run the Initial Auto Zero (button with double arrows) before running g-code with a toolchange. The Initial Auto Zero sets the location of the fixed plate. The Simple Auto Zero you're using is for quick zeroing when you won't need to do a tool change. It doesn't set the locationof the fixed plate.
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I already did the double arrow set up on Tuesday and i have cut some pieces,it worked well. my problem now is i am not using a piece of wood to cut, i want to plane my table flat. so when i do my touch off its on my table surface and not a piece of material. do i have to do the double touch setup every time i change my g code or everytime i start my mach3 program?
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You need to do it every time you change the thickness of the material your cutting. The macro needs to know the relationship of the fixed plate to where you're Z zero position is. So anytime your Z zero changes, you need to run the double zero. Basically, any time you would normally zero the Z axis, you should run it. You still need to zero the first tool, but once you do that, all subsequent tool changes are done automatically.
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Question:
I have installed the 2010 screenset, and I like it, but if I want to go back to the Mach3 original screenset, how do I acomplish this?
Some things I still like the original screenset. I tried, uninstalling an re-installing Mach and all I get is a white screen.
I was going to try setting up two profiles, one for the new screen and one for the original Mach.
Your guidance would be appreciated.
Toad
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Just go to View>Load Screens, and choose 1024.set
The only thing that will be different would be the M6 macros. If you're not doing toolchanges, then you'll be fine.
If you need to do toolchanges from the standard 1024 screenset, then you should use two separate profiles, so they each have their own macros.
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Thanks, didn't even think of doing that.
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Hello;
I had to reinstall Mach 3 and all of its settings. I lost the 2010 screenset also. How can I get another copy?
I thought I had it saved on an external drive, but did not save it apparently.
Also, can you tell me how to get the mach 3 screen to fill the monitor? It used too, now it is small.
Thanks
Toad
Ty948@bellsouth.net
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I re sent it to you.
It's not designed to fill the monitor, unless you have a 1024x768 monitor.
It should be run with Auto Screen Enlarge disabled in General Config. If you have a widescreen monitor, there are a few widescreen versions you can load that are bigger.
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I purchased Ger's 2010 screenset. It is the best screenset out there.
I am new to cnc and Gerry had the patience to walk me thru my settings.
The cost is $20.00,But the support from Gerry is priceless...
Get this screenset,You wont be sorry.
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I've been using the 2010 screen set for some time and want to use the Simple Auto Zero. Are there any instructions on wiring a Gecko G540 to the plate? Thought I saw it somewhere once, but can't find it.
Steve.
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I moved this question to Mach Discussion since it isn't really only a 2010 question.
Steve.
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This screen set really looks and sounds like a winner from what I read. I'm thinking about buying it and I don't even have Mach 3! Sure hope I can convert my Precix router over to Mach 3
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I've been using standard 3-axis 2010 for past year and really like it. Just completed my 4th axis and changed to the 4-axis 2010-4.set screen and now have problem with the simple Auto Zero Macro. After first simple auto zero I load and run g-code for first operation. OK to this point. Then when I close g-code, change tool for next operation, and run simple Auto Zero, both the Z and A axis try to move. Checked macro and don't see any code that notes a-axis. Changed back to regular 1040 screen and all works OK. Has anyone had similar problem with the 2010-4 screen.
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What version of Mach3 are you using?
Both .set files are calling the same macros, so I'm not sure what could be happening?
What message is displayed when the a axis is moving?
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Machine is located at shop. Will check Mach3 version, however think it is ...42.20. One thing doing different so can set z zero at center of work is obtaining z zero reference to table top (z then moves to 2" from zero). I then moved z to 3.813" (the centerline of work) and then set z to zero at this point. Would this mess up the macro's?
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The only thing that I've seen that messed up a macro was E Stopping in the middle of a macro. Sometimes subsequent macros will no longer run correctly. So always restart Mach3 if you estop in the midle of a macro.
The only thing I can think of would be a bad .xml file. I'd try creating a new one from scratch and see if it still has an issue?
As you said, there's nothing in the macro to move the A axis, so I don't know what could cause it.
As for your zeroing method, there's a much simpler method. On the toolchange tab, enter 3.813 in the Material Offset DRO, and check the box. Then Zero to the table, and the Z zero will be set 3.813 above the table in one step.
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Hi guys I am about to purchase this screenset as it seems the best so far. I currently a licensed version 43.022. Do I to have to delete this to go back to an earlier version that works well with this screen set? Or can I just download an earlier version over the top. ( I don't want to lose all my settings. Thanks.
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Make a backup copy of your .xml file just in case, but you shouldn't need it.
Rather than going to an older version, try installing 3.43.062 over the top of your existing version, and you should be fine. You can get it at the ftp site, link is on the downloads page.
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WOW! That was a quick reply Gerry. Thought u would be in bed with the time difference. ( I am in Australia). I just sent u money via Paypal so hope u get that soon. Thanks for the tip I downloaded the .66 release as someone here suggested and all mwent well.
Congrats on a great screen set and superb tutorials.
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I've heard that there may be macro bugs in .66, although none of my users have reported any to me.
If you run into any problems, try going back to .062.
It's only 9:00PM here. You should have the screenset files in your mail.
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HA HA, fantastic service!! Thank you kindly... Now for some DUMB newbie questions.
1/ Where does the installer download the manual too?
2/ When I go to View/Screens; which file is the correct screen, as several are listed...2010-4.set, 2010-4x.set (what are these?
Told you they were dumb questions lol
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1) Look in your Start menu. ( This was mentioned in the email I sent ;) ) Should be in your \Mach3\Documentation\ folder
2) I think the manual explains it, but the (x) versions have a larger diagnostic screen with space for extra LED's for the user to customize. 99% of users don't need these.
2010.set is the 3 axis screen, and 2010-4.set is the 4 axis version. The widescreen versions should be self explanatory
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OOPs... yeah was so exited to get it so quick I didn't read that bit ;D. OK I'll stop bugging you ( I'm off to do some good reading) >:D
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Gerry! I hope u r awake still I have done everything exactly as the manual describes.... AND I GOT NOTHIN the motors wont jog, (yes i have jog button on) I have replaced files in macro folder as described... i even made back ups as instructed. >:D ... ANY IDEAS?? The DRO dont even move on my profile. I opened up MachMill profile and it all seems fine!. Any help appreciated thanks
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It sounds like you're somehow loading a different profile that doesn't have any motors enabled. All you have to do to change to the 2010 Screenset is go to View> Load Screens and select the .set file.
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Yeah doing that. I noticed on the bottom right corner of the screen the green button is flashing oink. Could that mean anything?
Sorry its not flashing " oink" :P its flashing green/pink
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figured it out ... alll i did was press the top far right button; looks like a re-do button. ALL WORKS A TREAT :D
Guess I'm off to watch those tutorial videos,, AGAIN Find out what that little majic button is >:D
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It's the Reset button.
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Hello Gerry,
I've been configuring your screen and noticed the RefAll sequence (M884.m1s) was different than the one I used.
This is your original:
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DoButton( 24 )
'Code "G53 G0 Z-1"
'While IsMoving()
'Wend
DoButton( 23 )
'Code "G53 G0 Y1"
'While IsMoving()
'Wend
DoButton(22)
'Code "G53 G0 X1"
'While IsMoving()
'Wend
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This is the one I inserted(replaced):
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DoButton( 24 )
'Code "G53 G0 Z-1"
'While IsMoving()
'Wend
refcombination( 19 )
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Art had included this, I just used it.
Basically, all it does is Ref both X and Y axes simultaneously after first referencing Z.
It works as intended, but was just wondering if it will create problems anywhere else in your screen functions.
Thanks,
John(Bloy)
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No problems. If you read my 2010 manual, it has a section on how to modify the homing scripts.
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I'm STILL reading it.... ;)
I can't find the code notes on the refcombination( 19 ) yet. What would that look like?
Or where would I look to view it.?
I'd also like to insert them(the code notes) like you have for your DoButtons.
Thanks,
john
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Page 17 of the manual.
http://home.comcast.net/~cncwoodworker/downloads/mach3/2010%20Manual.pdf
RefCombination(19) would home the X, Y, and B axes together
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ah..... now I remember Art explaining the number combinations. I might, probably, have a file somewhere with his notes. I've got a lot of catching up to do.....
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Hi Gerry,
After getting up this morning I realized how idiotic my posts were from yesterday. They were all based on the old acronym RTFM. ::)
Honestly, I wonder if I am losing it faster than I am gaining. It could be a touch of senility sneaking in complicated with the influx of radon gas saturating the atmosphere here in my basement.
Sorry...
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No problem at all.
90% of the questions I get can be answered with RTFM. ;)
Thanks for the kind words, btw.
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;D
Brett
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Hello !
There is one feature in Screenset 2010 that I'm not able to understand:
- What is the purpose of 'DE-Ref all axis' ? Why would I want to dereference all my axis ?
- I'm a registered user of SC2010... Will I receive a mail notification if a new release is made available ?
Thank you !
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The standard screen has a De-Ref button, so I added it. I have no idea what you'd use it for.
There most likely won't be any more updates. If there are, I send them out to all users.
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Thanks Gerry.
I have made some research about this Deref button (Which is in the standard screen, you're right) and nothing really clear !
I'm having another question, which are related to Mach3 and/or Screenset 2010, I don't know...
I'd like to use Output to manage some LEDs...
For example:
LED on when click START (And START has been 'accepted' of course)
LED off when click STOP, etc...
The idea is to hook some external LED which are available on a command pulpit to have better overview of the process...
Two problems:
When cliking the Start button, it calls an 'internal function' which is called start. I don't know how to modify it to add this feature !
Some others button calls a script, for example: M889.m1s (Simple auto zero) or M885.m1s (REF X)
I'd like to activate an output (To a LED)
LED should be on until the script M885 has been finished or cancelled.
Example:
ActivateSignal(OUTPUT7)
DoButton(22)
'Code "G53 G0 X1"
'While IsMoving()
'Wend
DeActivateSignal(OUTPUT7)
Doesn't work ;-(
IK don't know exactly how to hook output management into Mach3...
Could someone Help ? Hope I'm clear enough !
Thank you !
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There's already a RUN LED. I'd probably use a Brain to activate the output while the LED is on.
As for the LED being active during a macro, have the macro turn it on and off.
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Thank Gerry !
I had a look into brain features for Mach3... It looks to be what I was looking for...
Unfortunately, the brain editor is awful and buggy.... Is there any other way to create a new brain for Mach3 with another editor ?
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Someone was working on a new Brain editor a year or two ago, but I don't think they ever finished it.
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I have been working with a demo version of mach 3 version R3.043.066 for sometime know. I just ordered the full package of mach 3 and have not installed the file to activate yet. I was also going to purchase screen set 2010.
I have a question in regards to reloading an older version of mach as suggested on the cnc woodworker website were I was going to place my order. Below is the note on the website!!
Note: A change in the 3.43.versions of Mach3 have caused the M6 toolchange macro's which auto zero during a toolchange to NOT work in the current lockdown release of Mach3, version 3.43.022. I can not confirm that it will work correctly in any 3.43.********* version prior to 3.43.022.
As of development version, 3.43.028, Artsoft has fixed the issue with the 3.43 versions. I have tested it and it appears to work correctly. However, as it is a development version, I recommend using 3.42.040 or slightly older. I personally use both 3.42.020 and 3.42.040.
my question is I have made changes with the demo program and have my machine working good know. I have changed back lash, motor turning etc, to name a few things I don't want to lose all the settings (changes) that I have done.
What should I do with this problem.
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I should probably update that notice on my website. The version you are currently using should work fine. You don't need to install an older version.
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Thanks Gerry.
I cant wait to try your program.
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Hello Gerry:
I have your screen working great on a small mill running PP and steppers. I have two other commercial CNC mills, one of which I converted to Mach3, and the dspmc controller, driving analog Westamp servos after the original control failed.
The Mach3 CNC mill commercial conversion is using the MSM screen, and also Modbus running on the Cubloc hardware. This machine has been in operation for several years.
Last week, I decided to put your 2010 screen on the above mill. The effort has been very frustrating, but I am close to getting it working. For some reason, the MSM macros kept appearing in the 2010 macro file of my new profile. The MSM macro files are in the Mach3 macro folder along with the 2010 macro file folder.
I finally was able to make a separate folder on the desktop which held the original Mach3 macros. I then opened the new profile, went into the macro folder for that profile, and deleted all the macros. Now I copied all the original Mach3 macros from the file I made on the desktop, then copied the 2010 macros from your folder into the new profile.
I then loaded the appropriate 2010 screen, and all looks OK. No more MSM corrupted macro files to be found.
However, the Mill will not run normally; on power up, the servo's go into a creep, no response to the e-stop, and it will not act normally. No jog key response, no e-stop response, just the motors creeping slow towards hitting limits
I have laboriously checked all the Mach3 settings in ports and pins, and all other settings that work fine in the MSM profile.
Any suggestions where to look, or any other users with a similar problem ?
Thanks,
John
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I can almost guarantee that it has nothing to do with the 2010 screenset. It should run exactly like the stock screenset.
If you go to View>Load Screens and load 1024.set, you should see the exact same behavior from the stock screen.
If you can't get out of Estop, nothing else is going to work.
The only thing I can recommend is to set up a new profile from scratch. Perhaps the .xml file is corrupt?
Sorry I can't be more help, but this isn't a screenset issue, it's a Mach3 issue.
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Hello Gerry:
I should have spent more time looking for my problem. Sorry about that. >:( The problem turned out to be my error! I forgot the "Configure Plugins" screen. The dspmc controller plugin needs to be configured for every new profile!
The mill runs great now, with the 4 axis set.
I did not think it was at all related to your screen, and didn't mean to imply such. I really like the screen set, and the elegant simplicity.
Thank you for all your efforts.
Best regards,
John
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I wouldn't of thought of that one. Glad you got it working.
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I installed the screenset i bought from you and went through the set up. how do i get it back to Inches? my DRO's are reading in MM's. everything was set to Inches before i installed the screenset. even the bottom of the screen references mm's. im sure it is something simple but i can't find it in the configs of the screenset.
Ger, I can't believe I waited so long to get your screenset. Thanks for all the hard work and support and I have a question.
I quoted krugshouse's post from a while back. I have this same issue and have always had it so it's probably a Mach3 thing not your screenset. If I have my native units selected as MM of course everything is in MM including DRO's. If I load a gcode file that is in inches it will automatically switch all DRO's over to inches and everything is great or I can go to the settings screen in the 1024 screenset and hit the UNITS Alt-U button and swap and everything reads either MM or inches. The problem then becomes that button isn't in your screenset
The problem I have is I want inches set as my native units so I can have my table size etc all setup in my native units but if I start Mach3 with native units set to inches all of my DRO's are in MM and even loading an inch gcode won't switch it over. I tried your suggestion of using G20 and hitting enter twice but my DRO's never switch to inches so setting up all of my park's, plate thickness etc have to be in MM to be correct.
This been a constant battle while setting up homing, table etc and I'm hoping someone knows the fix that I can't seem to find.
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My guess is that your steps/unit is wrong.
If it's not already, set your Native Units to inches. If it was mm, close and restart Mach3. Then, make sure that you're in inch mode. Then, move and see if it's moving the correct distance. If it appears to be in mm's, then most likely your steps /unit needs to be changed.
If you originally set up the machine with the native units set to mm's inadvertently, it's possible to set the steps/unit in inches, and it will appear to be correct, until you run g-code with a G20.
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That's what the problem is then. It's a Chinese machine so all documentation I had was in mm so I initially setup and tuned the motors using mm. I just figured if I switched the native units after that Mach3 would show everything correctly in inches. Thanks for the help. No I get to re-do the motor tuning....... Joy. :)
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That was definitely it ger21. Thanks. Spent some time re-tuning and things are working. Now for the auto zero setup!
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Am I not seeing the Simulate Program Run button in this screenset?
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On the Options tab.
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Ahh, just says Simulate. Thanks again ger21.
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I am looking for some advice on probing. I have attached a diagram of what I am trying to do.
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The single button probes an outside corner, so I'd use the X- and Y- separately.
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and this will give me the zero location that I am looking for
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I really can't tell from your drawing. If you enter the correct data, and you probe against the part that you want at zero, then it should.
I'd recommend some testing to make sure you understand how it works.
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Hi Ger
I have been try to set up my machine with the x y probing. I think I have a setting wrong somewhere. When I hit the y- button ot will start to move in that correct direction but it is at a rapid rate. The same happens on the x+ direction. I have my job rate 00% and my step increment rate at .01. Is there anything else I should check.
They are on the left side below the buttons.
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There's a probing feedrate on the Probe wizard screen. Actually, there are 2, a slow and a fast. If the slow has a value, it will probe first at the fast speed, then again at the slow speed. If the slow speed is 0, it will probe at the fast speed only.
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Is the speed the jog and step increments?
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On the left side below the buttons. Initial Feedrate and Slow Feedrate.
First probe is done at Initial feedrate. If Slow feedrate > 0, then a second probe will occur at the slow feedrate.
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I searched but maybe just didn't search right but I'm trying to figure out which macros exactly handle the simple zero, full tool-change zero and just the tool-change so I can assign them to my wireless pendant. My computer is a ways from the CNC so it would be nice to be able to hit the pendant button for each thing instead of weave my way back to the computer.
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They are all listed in the screenset manual.
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Of course, the manual. I'm an idiot :)
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Ok probably another stupid question. This is on the laser crosshair setup. My cross hair is X -4.6119 and Y 5.1975 away from the center point of my spindle. I edited the M890.mls file to reflect those numbers. When I hit the laser zero button or run the macro from my pendant nothing changes in the DRO's in either work coordinates or the machine coordinates and when I hit "go to zero" my machine doesn't go to where I had the crosshairs aligned.
What am I missing?
XOffset = -4.6119 'X offset from laser crosshair to spindle
YOffset = 5.1975 'Y offset from laser crosshair to spindle
SetOEMDRO(800,XOffset)
SetOEMDRO(801,YOffset)
Sleep(125)
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You didn't copy the macros from \Mach3\macros\2010\ to \Mach3\macros\YOURPROFILE\
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I thought I did but I'll do it again. Thanks again Ger
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You may have edited the file in the macros\2010\ folder.
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I went back and re-copied all of the macros from the 2010 folder and overwrote the ones in my configuration folder and it worked. Not sure what happened but I did edit the correct file in the correct folder but maybe I didn't get all of the necessary macros copied over before. Thanks agian Ger. This screenset is just awesome.
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Hello
I have purchase the screenset couple days ago. I run the installation file and start Mach3. When I try to load the screenset it shows "bitmap goes here" and it loads like only 5% of the graphics. Basically its not usable because nothing is on the screen.
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It sounds like you installed it to the wrong folder. Uninstall it, and reinstall it, making sure the file path points to your Mach3 folder.
Under Mach3\bitmaps, you should see a 2010 folder. If not it's installed in the wrong place.
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How can i setup the probe script to use 2 diffrent inputs?
I want to have a plate for tool change.
And one touch probe for probing.
The Plate input is set to low, and the probe is set to high.
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You can't. Only one input works with probing. If there is a way, I don't know how to do it.
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If you're not using the "index" pin for rpm check, couldn't you set it up to react to the signal seen. Just thinking out loud here and I've only had one cup of coffee this morning!
Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk
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Solved it....
Just added a brain witch turned on probe input when Input 1 activate.
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Hi Der Synth
I have the same issue I have been battling with - I want to keep my Auto-Zero/Touch Probe connection - and - also run a Digitizing Probe - however - Mach3 only has one Probe input as you have noted.
Could you possibly take pity on an old man and post your 'brain' for myself and fellow sufferers please.
Eternally grateful, etc, etc.
Cheers
Noel ;D ;D ;D
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Try this. Make sure it's enabled, and assign the probe to Input #1 in Ports and Pins.
I didn't test this on a machine, but it works when I emulate Input 1 with a keystroke.
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Many thanks
I will give it a go.
Cheers
Noel
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Gerry, I can't find the Mach3 version 3.43.062 in download section. Can you direct me the download link pls.
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At the FTP site here.
http://www.machsupport.com/software/downloads-updates/
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Thanks Gerry, i dont know why i missed the last tab in the new website of Mach3 :)..I got it thanks:)
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Has anyone ever used the Mach 3 2010 on a Ez-Router table?
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This looks like something I'm very interested in. A couple questions;
Can I assume since this is just a screen that it would have no affect on plugins? I'm going to be adding the XBox 360 controller for jogging as soon as the controller I ordered arrives.
I watched all of the videos and read through this entire thread. I noticed in the video's you are using a wood router so have two pieces of metal for your surface contacts. I did hear you reference using the actual part for a mill for the first contact. I assume you're just using a ground so you could ground to the workpiece (assuming it conducts) and perhaps a know thickness piece of aluminum on the top of your vice, right?
Thanks,
Mark
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Correct, it should work with any plugins.
Can't really answer the second, as it depends on how your mill is wired. On my router, the spindle is grounded. You can also make plates out of PCB or similar material that are isolated from the machine frame.
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Quick question. I don't think I have changed anything in my settings but I used to be able to click on the FRO numbers and type in a new feed rate. Now when I click on the number a calculator looking window pops up and I have to click on each number to enter a value. This is very annoying when I need to change the feed rate on the fly.
I could not find any answers with the search tool in this forum. I try to find the answer before posting but I think I need help on this one.
Thank you everyone in advance for your help.
Mike
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I don't have Mach3 here, but check under the Operator menu for the option to turn it off.
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That worked. Don't know how that got checked but thank you for you fast and correct reply Gerry.
BTW I love using the 2010 screen set. Great work!
Mike
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I use Mach3 2010 Screenset and like it very much.
I am having a problem with depth of cuts that I think I have traved to the plate thickness
setting in tool change tab my plate is 0.24 inches thick however no matrter what I put in here it stays at 0.25000
and my intricate carvings are to deep. How do I change this entry and get it to stay?
Lee
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Type .24 and hit the enter key on the keyboard.
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That worked, thanks, pretty dumb not to think of that on my own.
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Any Mach3 DRO that accepts user input requires the Enter key for the input to be accepted.
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Question:
In the 2010 screen set, these are my issues:
When I click on the double chevron, The Z axes goes down and touches the touch plate as it should, than it goes to the fixed plate. After it zero’s out on the fixed plate it goes to the work piece and ask to click the start button. Than it goes to the tool change, after tool change, click on start and it goes back to fixed plate and then to work and starts spindle and begins. I have touch plate .125 thick, but when it starts work it is .04 too high.
When I click on the single chevron, The Z goes down and touches the touch plate as it should, than it goes to tool change position, click on start and it goes to fixed plate and zero’s out. Than it goes immediately to part and starts cutting. The problem there is that it starts .125 too deep, Like it ignores the plate thickness altogether. I thought with the single chevron, it went to the touch plate, and zero’s out and then when you click start, it started cutting.
Can someone enlighten me on what is wrong with this scenario, or is it me?
Toad
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For the first issue, watch the tool carefully when it's probing, and make sure it's touching the plate (both times at each plate). It's possible that noise is triggering it before it hits the plate.
For the second issue. It doesn't work that way. If you're going to do a tool change, you MUST use the initial auto zero first (double chevron). Even though you may not be changing tools, it sounds like there's an M6 in your code, causing it to rezero from the fixed plate, which is not correct. You can either remove the M6 from your g-code, or click the "ignore M6" checkbox.
If you use Vectric software, I have a post processor on my website that eliminates this first M6.
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Wit issue #2, If I ignore M6, it will not move to do a tool change in the double chevron either.
I can not figure out why with the one chevron, it simply just start cutting after the auto zero is complete, and you click on start.
I see no reason for it to go to the fixed plate, but it does.
It didn't used to do that if I remember correctly.
Its been sitting for a while because I was tied up on a project.
Toad
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If you need to do a tool change, than you must use the double chevron and have ignore M6 unchecked.
If the single chevron is going to the fixed plate, it's because of an M6 in your g-code.
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I find that I have to use the text editor and remove the line with the first "M6" from the g-code. Then do the 'double chevron' probe and run the code. If I do not edit out the first "M6" I have the problems you are talking about.
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Thanks, I appreciate your help.
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Hi Gerry,
Big thanks for this great 2010 screen set!!! It really helps focusing on the important parts.
One question:
As you can see from the attached screenshot there's a line/cell showing-upn at the very end of the 2010 screen (in fact - it seems to be a copy of the feed rate). Is there a reason for this? If not how can I get rid of it (besides adjusting the screen size accordingly)?
System: Win 7 Pro (running in Parallels VM); Mach 3 Version R3.043.066; 2010 screen set latest version.
Many thanks
Wolfgang
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There are other items outside the screen besides jsut that one, and they can't be removed, as they are used by the screenset. The best thing to do is just drag the window to fit the screen. Or use a 1024x768 monitor :)
You should go to General Config and uncheck "Boxed DRO's and Graphics", which will remove the lines under the numbers in the DRO's.
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Hi Gerry,
my screenset is up and running and it looks really good. i am having an issue with the "Simple Auto" and "Initial Auto" zero though.
i loaded the Brain you provided to a gentleman not to long ago ( i did need to alter the brain "Input1" to a "Modbus input 13 address"). I am using an AJAX MPU11 and DCio3B boards communicating through ethernet.
The probe input LED lights up and it seems like it should work. However, when i press either of the buttons (initial zero does move the position i call out)
Z basically pauses.
Moves up .05
Z zeros
Then moves .750 up (value i have loaded into the "clearance plane" setting)
it never tries to make the 6" z travel the the macro calls out trying to find the probe. Nor does it try a second time to probe. almost like it is already made.
if i place a item over the probe input prior to pressing either auto zero it displays " Z grounded check connection and try again" per the macro.
I am sure this is a setting i have incorrect, but cannot be sure.
Please advise.
Thank you,
Matt
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Could be one of two things.
The plugin for your Ajax board may not handle probing correctly, or perhaps it doesn't work right with the Brain.
Or, noise is triggering the Probe input.
Since it moves to the clearance plane, I'm assuming your seeing a message that probing is complete? That typically is an indication of noise, but I've seen several instances where plugins have not handled probing correctly.
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Thanks for the fast response! After thinking about it, I believe you may be correct with the ajax board not working correctly with the brain. It does state "Z axis is now zeroed" when complete.
I don't think it is a noise issue since it is repeating the same sequence every time.
My hardware has a dedicated Tool Setter Input on the PLC , and the motion controller (MPU11) has a dedicated Probe Input. I currently have it wired into the Tool Setter (which is what i want it to do), but maybe it needs to go directly into the Probe Input. I guess I should find the probe wiring diagram and give it a try.
Thanks again for your help!
Matt
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Gerry, what is the latest version of your screenset, and how does it differ from the 2010 version I have installed now?
Also, I have been partially upgrading and rebuilding my machine, and want to take advantage of the auto corner finding/probing feature...
What is an ideal set up piece for this (ie the metal piece that I set on the table)? What have people been using/making that has proven the best and or easiest way to go? I can have something machined if it's worth doing so... I imagine it needs to be something fairly heavy so that it doesn't move when the bit touches it...
Also, it can find both inside and outside corners, right? or does it work only for one or the other?
Any tutorials (especially video based) that address this?
Where can I get the latest build of your screenset?
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:)Gerry
Been using your great screen set for quite a while now, with no issues, apart from those caused by me
Have there been any updates to your screen set, not that I have any requirements you don't already cover
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It hasn't been updated in over 2 years I think. If you don't have the 1.1.4 version, send me an email and I'll get it to you.
What is an ideal set up piece for this (ie the metal piece that I set on the table)? What have people been using/making that has proven the best and or easiest way to go?
Honestly, I don't really know. I've never used it myself.
Also, it can find both inside and outside corners, right? or does it work only for one or the other?
Outside corners only.
Sorry, I don't have any tutorials, as I don't actually use it myself.
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Hi Gerry
Is it possible to set the fixed touch off plate to only move in the Y axis, I was planning og attaching my fixed touch off plate to the gantry sides, so it moves along the X axis along with the gantry, thus only needing the Y wagon to move to the side to do a tool zero operation.
If this is not possible, then I'll figure something out, but it would be easier, since moving 1000-1400mm in one direction each time will take up some time in the cutting sequence.
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I think so.
Send me an email and I'll get you something to try.
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U have a PM :)
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By the way Ger
Have I done something wrong?
When ever I try to use the rapid movement to 0,0,0 thenZ axis retracts beyond limit switch and beyond 0, and slams against the top, triggering the drive over current.
Should I run a soft limit on this, or something?
I have uploaded a video of the initial script running. Very nice even.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEadul2Wv1Y&feature=youtu.be
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Do you have a Z home switch?
Do you have Safe Z enabled and set correctly?
If you have a home switch, and are using safe Z, make sure Safe Z is set to use Machine coordinates, and make sure the value is correct.
If you're talking about the Goto Zero, then that is the default Mach3 goto zero function.
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Hi Gerry
Is it possible to set the fixed touch off plate to only move in the Y axis, I was planning og attaching my fixed touch off plate to the gantry sides, so it moves along the X axis along with the gantry, thus only needing the Y wagon to move to the side to do a tool zero operation.
If this is not possible, then I'll figure something out, but it would be easier, since moving 1000-1400mm in one direction each time will take up some time in the cutting sequence.
What a great idea... Please update with the specifics if you get this working...
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Yes, he got it working, and posted a video of it on YouTube. I can get the link later if he doesn't post it.
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I have not gotten around to putting the M6end part onto the machine, but here's the video with Gerry's changed initial tool setting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEadul2Wv1Y
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So what is involved in changing things in Gerry's screenset (Mach 3) to do this?
Now I have to brainstorm a little to see if there is a way to mount the touch plate on my machine... This would completely remove the risk of ever running a bit into the fixed touch plate...
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It's a simple change in the M881 and M6End macros.
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Let me look into if it will work for my machine (mechanics wise) and if so, I'll get more info...
On a semi related subject, would it be hard to add a button that homes to x and y but not z?
or a software switch that changes how the home command behaves (ie include or exclude axis)
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Read the 2010 Screenset manual. It explains how to modify the homing by editing the macros. Last part of the manual.
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will look for it... been a couple years since I looked at it...
If it's not on my computer is it on your page?
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Yes, there's a link to it on my webpage, and also in your Start menu where you have the screenset installed.
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awesome
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I have mach 3 screenset 2010. recently i have been having issues with the touch off. i am in G54 and i have zeroed x, y and z. when i got to use the double touch off the z axis will move about 20 thousands and the retracts and starts to head off to my fixed plate. it never touchs my work height plate. when it gets down to my fixed plate it lowers about 20 thousands (never touching the fixed plate ) then it comes back and wants to run the g code. i have closed mach3 and saved the fixture and not saved the fixture. but it still wont go all the way to either touch pad. i have checked all my settings nothing has changed. i'm not sure what to do. i have even shut down my computer and restarted, same problem.
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Most likely, noise is triggering your probe input.
It's been the case in 100% of users who see this or something similar.
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thanks i will change out my wires for the plates to a shielded wire. will let you know if that doesn't work.
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In a lot of cases, users add a capacitor across the input if the wiring change doesn't help.
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Well i changed the wiring to my touch off and fixed plates to shielded cables. i am still having the first part of my problem. the first touch off to the work piece still moves about 20 thousands. the second half of the cycle works ok now gantry moves over my fixed plate and the z axis drops down and the bit touches off my fixed plate. i changed my BOB also and that didnt make any differance. i thought maybe it would. i'm a bit confused the touch off sequence has worked good up till last week. i did not change anything on my machine or to the software. should i try reinstalling the sceenset? if it comes down to needing a capacitor what size should i use. i have a Radio Shack a few miles from the house.
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Are you seeing a message stating that probing is complete? If so, then it's almost certainly noise.
I doubt that re-installing anything will make any difference. The only way that would help is if there's a problem with the M881 macro. I've never heard of that happening.
You could try creating a new .xml file from scratch and see if that makes any difference. I have seen .xml files go bad. But I don't think it would affect the operation of the macro, but I guess it's possible.
I don't really know a lot about electronics, but I think it's either .01uF
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no i dont see any mesage but in the diagnostic screen i do see the probe box lighting up breifly. sort of a random pulsing. i will spend some more time on it today. good thing im retired. how would i be able to tell if the M881 macro did indeed go bad?
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The message should be in the status bar, saying that probing is complete.
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well today i changed the wires on my fixed plate, moveable plate and for the bit to shielded wires. still have the same problem. i did notice that if i hooked the wire for the bit to my housing that contains all my electronics that the probe light flashes. i think my problem is a ground problem but strange thing is that all my electronics are mounted on a piece of wood and not to the metal case they are in. go figure. as i have seen in diagrams, my plates are connected to the 5v pin next to pin 13 on my BOB and the bit wire is connected to pin 13. if i let the zero cycle run its whole routine, sometimes i get a message saying that bit is lower than my fixed plate, even though it never touched either plate. im pulling my hair out.
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Did you try grounding the electronics to the metal case?
Did you ground the shield on the wires?
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no i havn't grounded my electronics to the case yet. its on my list for today. just seems strange that this problem has just come up. the screenset has work correctly for so long with unshielded wires . i will keep at it. do you know if Mach 3 works with Windows 8? i have been thinking about upgrading my computer that runs my machine, it uses XP.
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i wonder if my printer cable could have gone south? Does it make any difference that when i start mach3, sometimes i get a Mach3 screen and sometimes i get an Artsoft screen?
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You can't use the printer port in Windows 8.
When Mach3 starts, there are 3 different rotating splash screens that you'll see.
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i have grounded my case, the shields on my wires. i have changed my printer cable. i have created a new profile in Mach 3. still having the original problem, the probe light flashes and the touch off doesnt work. i did run the driver test as suggested in the Mach 3 manual. when the test firsts starts it says the pulse is too fast, it comtinues and at the end it says everything is OK. i am open to suggestions. i dont think a capacitor is going to fix anything but thats all i have left. could it be a Mach 3 problem or something with the screenset? this bums me out, since i really like the screenset and the touch off portion. i use the tool change in all my g codes, makes things so easy to just change the bit and press a button. next best would be an automatic tool changer.
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could it be a Mach 3 problem or something with the screenset?
Extremely unlikely. The fact that you're seeing the LED flickering means that noise is triggering the input Typically, this happens so fast that you don't even see the LED. Yours is apparently far worse than most people that have noise issues.
Have you changed anything at all from when it was working? What kind of spindle or router are you using?
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i have to stare at the led for a long time to see it flicker and when it does its one or two quick flickers. i am using a craftsman router for 2 yrs now. Prior to it not working correctly i hadn't changed anything for months. since the problems began last friday. i have changed the BOB, unshielded wires to shielded wires, printer cable, touchoff plates. only thing left is to put in a capacitor, i'm just not sure where to put it. what are the chances that 2 BOB could be bad causing the same problem? everything else works like a charm.
here is a list of my electronics:
http://kelinginc.net/CNCNEMA23Package3x.html
CNC 3 Axis Stepper Motor Kit with 425 oz-in motor and KL-4030 Bipolar Driver with 36V /9.7A Power Supply (110V/220VAC):
(3) 425 oz-in stepping motors, NEMA 23
(3) KL-4030 Drivers (3.0Amp 24-40 Volts, 1-1/64 microstepping)
(1) 36VDC/ 9.7A Power Supply 110VAC/220VAC
(1)C10 Breakout board
(1) 5V power supply
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AS I said, most people with this issue never even see the LED.
It's not that any of your components are bad, you probably just have bad ground loops causing interference.
Remove your probe wires from the breakout board, and replace them with short (2-3") wires. Then run the macro, touching the wires to simulate the tool touching the plate. I'm guessing that it will work fine.
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i'll try that in the AM. if it works with the short wire what would you suggest? i have a cut area of 4ft x 8 feet and my fixed plate is all the way at the end of my table. thank you for all your help.
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All I can suggest is try re-routing your wires.
I'd maybe try disconnecting everything but the probe wires, and see if it works then. If it does, then start adding components back in until you see a problem.
Ground loops can be very hard to diagnose and fix.
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i will let you know how it goes today. thanks
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not sure if I fixed the ground problem or if there was even a ground problem. i removed my shielded wires for the probe and plate, replaced them wire just regular old 18 gauge wire and installed a .01uF capacitor from 5v to Pin 13 and tested it. well to my surprize the touch off works great again. Hey Gerry thanks for helping me.
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If the shielded wire is not grounded properly, it can make the problem worse.
Glad you got it working.
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I just set up the zero probing this evening. It works exactly as I would expect. It comes down, touches the plate, backs off a few hundredths, comes back down more slowly, then moves to the clearance plane setting. I can run the simple zero multiple times and it works every time, except in one case. I start a cycle, let it run for a bit, then hit the stop button to stop the job. If I try to simple zero again, it does the first part of the process the same, but when it backs off, it is backing off approximately 1/2 an inch instead of a few hundredths. Then it gives up before it gets back down to the plate again. If I shut down MACH3 and reopen, it works just fine again. I've repeated this multiple times.
I've got a 4.7k pullup and a small ceramic capacitor on the input, so I don't think I am getting any noise. I could snag an o-scope from work to double check if need be, but this only seems to occur after I run a cycle.
Do I have something configured incorrectly?
Thanks,
Jason
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I typed a reply, than re-read your post and realized I missed the issue with hitting stop.
Try using feedhold, and then AFTER movement stops, then hit stop. It should work correctly then. I'm guessing it's some type of bug in Mach3 that doesn't like the way your stopping.
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I can give that a try when I get home, but I think it did the same thing when I either hit the e-stop or a limit switch, I don't remember which. I'll check that as well.
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Are you using the parallel port, or a motion controller?
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I am using an Ethernet Smoothstepper.
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It's possible that the Smoothstepper plugin is the issue. I can test when I get home, but I suspect that it will work correctly with the parallel port.
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I did some testing at lunch. It does the same thing using feedhold then stop, hitting the e-stop or a hitting a limit switch. The common factor seems to be that I have to actually start running the program, then stop it. It works fine even if I e-stop or hit a limit switch if I haven't started the program. This evening I will try to figure out if one of the g-codes in my program is affecting this. I can stop it after running a few seconds and it does it, so it must be early in the file if that is the case
I'm using Vectric VCarvePro to generate the file.
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I narrowed it down this evening a little bit. Below is the file that I load. If I e-stop the system on or before the M6 command, the auto-zero still works. Anything after that seems to cause the issue.
( text1.5 )
( File created: Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 11:55 PM)
( for Mach2/3 from Vectric )
( Material Size)
( X= 6.000, Y= 6.000, Z= 0.125)
()
(Toolpaths used in this file:)
(Text)
(Tools used in this file: )
(1 = V-Bit {60 deg 0.125"})
N100G00G20G17G90G40G49G80
N110G70G91.1
N120T1M06
N130 (V-Bit {60 deg 0.125"})
N140G00G43Z1.5000H1
%
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I thought I remembered reading about how to fix this, but I can't seem to find it. When I hit TAB to pull up the diagnostics screen, it only comes across half way and most of it is hidden off to the right of the monitor display. I can't drag the window over to see the rest. Any ideas? I think I'm running the original screen size (not the 1280 one).
Also, my z axis is on a really slow drive screw while my x and y can move very fast. In the screenset, when I set jog to 25%, this is great for my x and y, but z jogging takes so long. Is there any way to set z independently?
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I switched to the Mach3_2010_inch.pp post processor and the problem went away. Not sure why, but it works for me!
Thanks for the support.
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I switched to the Mach3_2010_inch.pp post processor and the problem went away. Not sure why, but it works for me!
Thanks for the support.
I had meant to ask you earlier, was there a message that probing was complete? I'm guessing there was.
Check your tool table, and see if you have a length entered for tool #1. If so, then what you were seeing was a tool length offset being applied.
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I thought I remembered reading about how to fix this, but I can't seem to find it. When I hit TAB to pull up the diagnostics screen, it only comes across half way and most of it is hidden off to the right of the monitor display. I can't drag the window over to see the rest. Any ideas? I think I'm running the original screen size (not the 1280 one).
Do you have "Auto Screen Enlarge" checked in General Config? If so, you need to uncheck it.
Also, my z axis is on a really slow drive screw while my x and y can move very fast. In the screenset, when I set jog to 25%, this is great for my x and y, but z jogging takes so long. Is there any way to set z independently?
Afaik, Mach3 doesn't have independent jog rates.
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Auto screen enlarge was unchecked. Other suggestions? Any other info I can give you about my settings that may help?
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You have to grab it by the left edge to pull it over.
Do this:
Hit Tab.
Drag the left edge over.
Hit tab to close it.
Hit tab again to open it all the way.
Drag the left edge again.
Hit tab to close it again.
Close and restart Mach3 and it should stick.
If you really can't drag the left edge, then that's an issue that I've never heard of.
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Hi i have a weird problem. For some reason when the auto tool change activates it does all the steps but is correct. For instance at the moment it is -1.775 at bed level. Wherteas if i manually toolchange and press simple zero button it is absolutely spot on.
Is this somethign you have come across before
Many thanks Sean
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Do you have a fixed plate setup and working properly?
And did you run the Initial Auto Zero before the tool change? You MUST run the Initial Auto Zero before running code with a tool change, or the new tool will be set incorrectly.
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No i didnt run the initial auto zero as i havent got a moveable plate just a fixed one i put in the corner of the machine. The wierd thing is it was working fine before and then just stopped
Cheers Sean
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How are you setting Z zero without a movable plate?
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just with the fixed plate on the bed of the machine. I know it is 2.765mm above the bed (z0) so i put that in as a plate thickness. It works great with simple one touch button for zero just not the auto change. However it diud work at one point then i messed with the leadscrews to clean and grease them and it doesnt seam to want to work anymore.
Cheers Sean
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Do an Initial Auto Zero to the fixed plate, and then your tool changes should work.
So you set Z zero to the bottom of your parts?
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yes z 0 is bottom of parts, i know its probably the wrong way to do it but 300 name plaques later it seams to work for me lol.
ill try the initial auto zero and see what happens
Cheers sEan
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Just one quick question.
When I want to toggle the spindle on off, my head can't get around to hvat the keyboard key M6 is...???
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There is no shortcut key for M6. Or for the Spindle, which is M3 in MDI.
If your using the standard size 1024x768 version, you can try the Jog It version on my website which uses mostly default hotkeys, where F5 turns the spindle on and off.
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have run into an issue. The MDI was only allowing one line of code at a time. I was able to fix that by changing jog to step instead of constant. The issue is now it will not allow movement with the keys.
Another issue is that the touch probe for the movable plate is not triggering. In low it goes on and stay on and in hight it will not trigger now (was working). This is not my machine and aiding another person. Going to do a full re-install to remove the option of corrupted file issues. The system was running without issue until lately so going to try first port of call and re-install. Will let you know how that comes out and what the result was.
Michael
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How do you enter more than one line at a time in MDI?
As for the probe not working, are you sure it's not an electronic issue?
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Sorry Ger,
What I meant by more than one line is enter a line press enter and as it is going to that command enter a new line and press enter. It was locking up the moment you pressed enter on the second line of input and the DRO though it was still moving but the motor would stall. That was corrected by taking it off continuous and putting it in step on the jog tab. Checked all lines with multi-meter and they all show okay, nice clean tone on all of them.
Will let you know what comes out of the reinstall and hopefully it was just one of the libraries or files that got corrupted and needs repaired/replaced. If my explanation above is not clear please let me know.
Michael
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Hi ger.
Do you possibly have a PostProcessor for HSMExpress by HSM Works for this screenset??
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No, but I just started using Fusion 360, which I think uses the same post processor? No idea when I'll have time to make one. A few months at least.
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Can I use the same postprocessor that is used by Aspire???
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No
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I am new to the 2010 screen set and have an installation question. I installed the 1920x1080 screen set as I have a big monitor. All of the screens work OK but the numbers are not centered in their appropriate boxes. I tried other screen set resolutions but the same thing occurred. When I look at all of the youtube videos the numbers seem to be perfectly centered in the boxes. Am I doing something wrong or is this normal.
Thanks
Dick
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Go to General Config, and uncheck "Auto Screen Enlarge", and close and restart Mach3.
If that doesn't help, send me a screenshot of what you're seeing.
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Hi Ger:
I just emailed you a screenshot of what I am seeing. I forgot to mention that I tried all of the 2010 screenset resolutions and they all do the same thing. WI wasn't sure how to send the screenshot via the forum but I might have figured it out.
thanks for your help
Dick
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I'm new to CNC and I just installed your 2010 screen set. When I set my soft limits on Z, how do I calculate the min. max. throw? Do I put a bit into the router and touch off to the bed or a piece of material? I'm really confused about figuring these numbers.
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Your Z home switch is Z = 0, so your Z max should be a little bit less than zero, which would be below the switch.
Using softlimits for the bottom of the Z travel is rather pointless. For it to do any good, you'd need to change it each time you changed the tool. If you're going to use softlimits, Z min needs to be less than the lowest point your Z will ever need to go to, with the shortest tool you'll be using. The problem is that when you use a longer tool, softlimits won't prevent it from going too deep.
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Ger,
Good news, reinstall and everything is working fine. From the looks of it there was file corruption and a few other issues. A few other programs started running better after the libraries where reinstalled and with Mach3 reinstalled and set up currently no issues. Glad to be able to report back a positive.
Michael
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Gerry,
When trying to use the probing screen and probing in the +Y direction instead of probing towards +Y the axis simply goes back to my homed +Y, what am I missing here?
Adam,
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You need to fill in the following DRO's:
Init. Feedrate
Max distance
Probe Tip Diameter
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thnks Gerry, will this zero similar to the z axis, double touch?
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If you enter a slow feedrate it will.
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Should the plate offset be 0?
I have it set for the thickness of my plate and the DRO does zero but the bit is not zero'd in the DRO with the plate offset... I've moved the axis as close as I could could get to zero and the bit is not against the work piece as I would expect.
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If you're probing against a plate, you should have the correct thickness of the plate.
You need to enter the probe or bit diameter of whatever you're probing with. If the probe diameter is 0, then the wizard will use the diameter in the tooltable for the current tool. IF that is 0 as well, then probing will not work correctly.
If you want the wizard to set your DRO to zero, then you need to check "Auto Zero XY Coordinates.
Note that after zeroing, the center of the tool will be at zero when it's directly over the edge of the workpiece.
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Question:
In the 2010 screen set, these are my issues:
When I click on the double chevron, The Z axes goes down and touches the touch plate as it should, than it goes to the fixed plate. After it zeroÂ’s out on the fixed plate it goes to the work piece and ask to click the start button. Than it goes to the tool change, after tool change, click on start and it goes back to fixed plate and then to work and starts spindle and begins. I have touch plate .125 thick, but when it starts work it is .04 too high.
When I click on the single chevron, The Z goes down and touches the touch plate as it should, than it goes to tool change position, click on start and it goes to fixed plate and zeroÂ’s out. Than it goes immediately to part and starts cutting. The problem there is that it starts .125 too deep, Like it ignores the plate thickness altogether. I thought with the single chevron, it went to the touch plate, and zeroÂ’s out and then when you click start, it started cutting.
Can someone enlighten me on what is wrong with this scenario, or is it me?
Toad
I'm seeing the same issue but mine is 0.034" repeatedly. I used a feeler gauge between to determine the amount as I couldn't get my caliper underneath the spindle head.
Did you get this resolved? If so, how? I've used shielded cables throughout and besides, the amount is consistent so I don't think it's noise.
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Are you sure you have the correct plate thickness entered?
If it is, watch very carefully during the probing. If I had to guess, I would think that it's not touching the plate on the second probe.
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Positive on correct movable plate thickness. I also have a beeper wired in that only will beep when physical contact is made (noise issue won't activate the beeper).
I'm also certain that my steps are correct as I've validated the Z with a DTI.
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I also have a beeper wired in that only will beep when physical contact is made (noise issue won't activate the beeper).
How are you doing this?
WATCH the tool and see if it's touching the plate. That's really the only way you could be getting an error, as the macros just set Z zero where the probe touches.
Make sure you have no values in the Material Offset box, btw.
If you post your .xml, I'll take a look and see if I can see anything.
In 4 years, I haven't had anyone get an incorrect zero that wasn't noise related.
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I will post a schematic on the beeper. I also have a four way rotary switch that lets me select turning on a row of LEDs when contact is made, LEDs + Buzzer, Buzzer only and last position is for nothing to come on. Pretty cool.
I wanted to be able to digitize and be certain that contact had been made with the object. This way I can start off with a Beep + LED, switch off to just the LEDs and when I certain that everything was running, be able to turn off the whole alarming function to the digitizer and let it run its course.
As an added bonus, I stumbled upon a grounding issue with one of my axes and discovered that I could also have the whole alarm scenario activate whenever I was homing any or all of the axes. Somewhat useful as I can tell the machine to reference, go about my business, but still listen for each of the three axes reach their respective home position. Maybe just a little bling bling but pretty cool nonetheless.
I'll need to go to the shop and get my copy of the xml later this evening.
Hopefully you may be able to find something as I'd basically given up on getting it to work correctly.
I've rewatched all the videos on your site just to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious.
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Got the xml attached as promised.
I set up and retested the Initial Auto Zero and again came up with ~34 thou of space between the height gauge (1-2-3 block) and the surface of the workpiece. I have it set for 1.000" clearance and used the 1" side of the block to verify.
Another thing I wanted to mention is that when I use the toggle toolpath on/off button in off mode, the toolpath still displays but is locked from being able to be manipulated in zoom/pan, etc., until I turn it back on.
If I set it to off and load a new file the new files toolpath doesn't show up until I toggle the display back on.
Now what's really weird is if I turn it off, then pull up the probing wizard (covering the whole screen), then close the wizard, when the main screen reappears the toolpath window is now solid white (black background before) with no toolpath being shown. Furthermore, when I toggle the toolpath back on it reappears with the black background.
I looked again in the manual and it only says it toggle the toolpath on and off. I'm confused as to what is supposed to happen. I assumed the toolpath off meant it wasn't supposed to be displayed, maybe to help slower PC's and I sort of confirmed that with going to the probe wizard and back. Did you intend for the toggle to lock/unlock?
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I don't see anything in the .xml.
You never answered my question. If you watch during probing, is it actually touching the plate on the second touch?
All the macro really does, is set the Z DRO to the plate thickness, when it touches the plate. I have no idea how your Z zero can be set incorrectly.
Are you using the parallel port? I see two port addresses, and two ports enabled, but nothing using port 2?
Another thing I wanted to mention is that when I use the toggle toolpath on/off button in off mode, the toolpath still displays but is locked from being able to be manipulated in zoom/pan, etc., until I turn it back on.
If I set it to off and load a new file the new files toolpath doesn't show up until I toggle the display back on.
That's just how Mach3 works. If you turn off the toolpath, it no longer gets redrawn, and remains as it was.
Now what's really weird is if I turn it off, then pull up the probing wizard (covering the whole screen), then close the wizard, when the main screen reappears the toolpath window is now solid white (black background before) with no toolpath being shown. Furthermore, when I toggle the toolpath back on it reappears with the black background.
When you load the wizard, you effectively are loading a new screenset. When you start Mach3 or load a screenset (or wizard) with the toolpath off, it's a blank white screen.
I looked again in the manual and it only says it toggle the toolpath on and off. I'm confused as to what is supposed to happen. I assumed the toolpath off meant it wasn't supposed to be displayed, maybe to help slower PC's and I sort of confirmed that with going to the probe wizard and back. Did you intend for the toggle to lock/unlock?
When it's off, it's not displaying anything, it just shows what was there when it was turned off. Even though it appears to display the toolpath when off, it doesn't, and it does indeed help on slower PC's, or with very large files, which can cause issues with even fast PC's.
The Toolpath On/Off button has the same functrionality as the one in the default 1024 screenset. That's just the way it works.
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Yes, the tool touches the plates ( both the movable and the fixed). I put my specticles on and seen it with both eyes. Heard it too and saw the LEDs come on.
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Watch the DRO when it touches the plate. You should see it change to the plate thickness, before the tool lifts up.
Do you see this?
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Yes
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Then it should be correct. When the probe touches the plate, the DRO is set correctly. After that, all the macro does is lift the tool up by the clearance amount.
Are you sure the plate thickness is correct?
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Yes. The movable plate thickness is 0.358". Is that what you're seeing in my XML?
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Yes.
You're Z zero is being set correctly when the tool touches the plate, so I don't see where the error you're seeing could be coming from, unless the plate is not .358" thick.
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The plate is 0.358" as described. Software working correctly.
I've worked meticulously through the machine for the past two days and just now getting to post my findings.
Turned out to be a backlash issue. When I would tell it to go to 1", then 2", then 3" (with Dial indicator in place) it was landing at the correct position (dead on) so I'm certain my steps/per is correct. Upon reversing the direction, it oddly landed at the correct positions again so I'd dismissed backlash.
It took a battery of testing to final realize that somehow the backlash was in fact off and it became a hit and miss in that sometimes it was correct and sometimes not. Did some tightening/adjustments to finally reveal the culprit.
So for now it appears that I've gotten it ironed out. It now is landing sometimes off by a thou and sometimes by a half thou.
I'll take that for the X2.
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yes newbie here, I would like to start using my touch probe for edge and center finding could anyone please help me.
thanks.
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Hi Gerry, was hoping you can help me. I'm setting up my xbox controller and want to use a button for simple auto zero. I used macro M881 and worked but than looks to auto zero on fixed plate. I want the xbox controller button to work the same simple auto zero like on my screenset.
Thanks,
Dan
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M889 I think. It's listed in the manual.
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sorry never thought to look there.
Thanks!
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Gerry,
I'm using your 2010 screenset and while running a job if the there is a tool change (M6) in the g-code I'm unable to move any axis, especially Z to re-zero the tool. I'm pretty new to machining so is this by default in the 2010 screenset or is there a trick I'm missing?
Adam,
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You shouldn't need to move the tool and zero it. It does all that automatically for you.
Is there a message that says "Press Cycle Start after changing tool"?
Is it moving to the tool change position when it gets to the M6?
Can you tell me a little more about what's happening, and what you're trying to do?
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Jerry,
Thanks for the quick reply.
Instead of using the automatic tool change using a "home" position I am trying to use the zero tool function V twice, once to zero the initial tool and then when the M6 occurs. My second attempt to zero the tool is what is causing the problem.
Maybe I'm using the zero tool incorrectly?
What is the difference betwwen the "Fixed Plate X/Y" and the Change Position co-ordinates?
Adam,
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The tool change position is where you want the tool to move so you can change it.
The fixed plate is a plate mounted fpr the automatic auto zero.
When you get to an M6, then the M6 macros are running, so you can't run the other macro. To work like you want to do, you'd need to change the M6 macros to do the regular auto zero during a tool change.
It wuold be easier to just use separate programs for each tool, so you could zero in between.
But it's far simpler to mount a fixed auto zero plate on your machine, and let Mach3 do all the work for you, automatically.
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Gerry,
Working on the tool change as designed with a fixed position and moveable plate and got the following error:
"Tool Change Z Position can NOT be above Z=0 System going to E-Stop"
The initial tool setup seemed to work fine, the top of stock was identified and then the fixed position was identified. It then went back to its originating position and waited for me to turn on the spindle. It ran the test pattern then went to I believe the Change position of "4", not sure? It waited for the tool change, after which "Cycle Start" generated the error.
Does that have to do with the Z Pos for the Change Position?
see attached
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The tool change position is in machine coordinates.
When using the auto zero functions of the 2010 Screenset, Z zero in machine coordinates must be the top of your Z travel. So you can not have any machine coordinates greater than 0.
Your tool change Z axis position must be a negative value.
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So my z works in the negative - Z zero is the top of my z axis.
Does that mean if I want to change bits at 4" above the table and my total z is 0 to -7 so my tool change z will be -3?
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Yes, set your tool change Z position to -3.
Are you homing the machine to the top of the Z axis?
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Yes, Z homes to the top.
Is there a different way to home Z since all of my work is done in the negative -Z?? Just curious what the standard practice is...
Adam,
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No, that is correct. Just remember that the positions are in machine coordinates.
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OK, great I'll give it a shot this evening.
One last question about the "Clearance Plane" is that based upon the work surface? So, if the work surface is on a 1" piece of stock and I want a clearance of 3" and my Z travel is 0 to -7, will I set this number to 3" regardless or do I need to do the math to calculate it based on the Z axis ( -7 + 1 = -6 + 3 = -3 )?
Thanks,
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Your travel really has nothing to do with it.
The Clearance Plane is specified in work coordinates.
When you zero to the top of the part, your setting the work coordinate zero to the top of your part. If you want the clearance plane 3" above your part, then it's 0+3 = 3.
So you set it to 3. But you don't calculate it based on travel.
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I'm pretty close to having this going but noticed when cutting some demo circles and calling for 2 tool changes that MasterCam output some GCode that I don't need.
I assume that lines N282 - N288 is standard on some machines but since I don't have a tool changer is there a way to eliminate the GCode from being generated? I think those lines were interrupting the flow of the change in the Macro's in the screenset.
Isn't the M6 the only line needed and the Macro should take care of the rest, Clearance Plane and Tool Change position?
N278 G1 Z.203 F30.
N280 G0 Z.25
N282 M5 -- Spindle stop
N284 G91 G28 Z0. -- not sure why this is here
N286 A0. -- not sure why this is here
N288 M01 -- temporary stop
N290 T235 M6 -- Tool change
N292 G0 G90 G54 X1.875 Y6.7025 A0. S12224 M3
N294 G43 H235 Z.25
N296 Z.2
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You need to edit your post processor to remove those lines.
You do want to keep the M5 to stop your spindle.
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So, save the M5 and M6 eliminate N284-N288...?
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Yes, you don't need N284, N286 or N288.
With the auto zero during the toolchange, you also won't need N294, which is a tool length offset.
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Anyone know how to modify that information in the post?
I'm using MPFAN.pst in MasterCam.. I made some modifications but I'm not 100% on the sections you've identified.
N278 G1 Z.203 F30.
N280 G0 Z.25
N282 M5 -- Spindle stop
N284 G91 G28 Z0. -- not sure why this is here
N286 A0. -- not sure why this is here
N288 M01 -- temporary stop
N290 T235 M6 -- Tool change
N292 G0 G90 G54 X1.875 Y6.7025 A0. S12224 M3
N294 G43 H235 Z.25
N296 Z.2
# --------------------------------------------------------------------------
# General Output Settings
# --------------------------------------------------------------------------
maxfeedpm : 500 #SET_BY_MD Limit for feed in inch/min
ltol_m : 0.05 #Length tolerance for arccheck, metric
vtol_m : 0.0025#System tolerance, metric
maxfeedpm_m : 10000 #SET_BY_MD Limit for feed in mm/min
force_wcs : yes$ #Force WCS output at every toolchange?
stagetool : 0 #SET_BY_CD 0 = Do not pre-stage tools, 1 = Stage tools
stagetltype : 0 #0 = Do not stage 1st tool **modified 3/18/15 was 1
#1 = Stage 1st tool at last tool change
#2 = Stage 1st tool at end of file (peof)
use_gear : 0 #Output gear selection code, 0=no, 1=yes
min_speed : 50 #SET_BY_MD Minimum spindle speed
progname$ : 1 #Use uppercase for program name (sprogname)
prog_stop : 0 #Program stop at toolchange: 0=None, 1=M01, 2 = M00 **modified 3/18/15 was 1
tool_info : 2 #Output tooltable information?
#0 = Off - Do not output any tool comments or tooltable
#1 = Tool comments only
#2 = Tooltable in header - no tool comments at T/C
#3 = Tooltable in header - with tool comments at T/C
tlchg_home : no$ #Zero return X and Y axis prior to tool change?
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Never used MC, but if I had to guess, I'd say to change "force_wcs" to no.
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Thanks Gerry, that got me close enough to resolve the issue I was having.
Adam,
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Hello Gerry,
What do you think, will your nice screenset with the large toolpath work well on an old laptop, IBM Thinkpad T42 with 1.6 GHz Pentium Mobile and ATI Radeon 9000 64 MB graphics?
Paul.
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I have no idea.
In 4 years, I've had 2 or 3 users (that I'm aware of) that had PC's where the larger toolpath caused mach3 to run poorly.
If you purchase it and it doesn't work, I'll give you a refund.
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Thanks Gerry, then I'll give it a try.
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Hi Gerry,
Just built my CNC and am getting it zeroed in. Love you screenset.
Probing works great.
How do I get to axix calibration from your screenset. As it is now I have to switch to the standard set in order to calibrate.
Thanks
George M
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How do I get to axis calibration from your screenset. As it is now I have to switch to the standard set in order to calibrate.
That's how you have to do it. Since you should only have to use it one time, I didn't add it to the screenset. And it only takes 5 seconds to change back.
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Hello Gerry,
I have a question about using offsets. Lets say I have G55 set to 0,0. and G56 set to23,23 mm. I goto the the off sets tab and select G56. How do I get the machine to move to that location? Thanks.
Charlie
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Where do you want to move to?
The offset isn't a location, but a shift to the coordinate location.
If you want to move anywhere, you can use the MDI to move the machine.
I recommend you watch the homing, limits and offsets video here:
http://www.machsupport.com/videos/
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The standard mach screen has this button called goto z. what it does is make the machine goto zero position. When I use off sets in the standard screen the dros change to the off set coordinates and when I hit the goto z button the machine zeros at the off set position. I would expect your screen set to work similar.
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The goto zero button is on the right side of the toolbar. (Left of the "P") Look in the manual for a description of the toolbar buttons.
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Hi Gerry,
Thanks. That seems to work. It would be nice to have something like a balloon message when you hover the buttons to tell what they do.
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Yes, it would, but Mach3 doesn't have that option. Sorry.
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Yes, it would, but Mach3 doesn't have that option. Sorry.
What do you mean Mach3 does not have that option? I did it just as I described it to you in the standard mach screen set.
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Can you show me a screenshot? I've never seen a tooltip in Mach3. And there's no way to add them with the screen editor.
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Oh no sorry I misunderstood you. I don't have tool tips in the original mach screen. It was just a suggestion. I figured you programed the screen set in Vb or something.
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No, it's done in a screen designer. I meant that Mach3 doesn't support tool tips. I don't believe that Mach4 does either, but I made a feature request for them.
The goto zero in the 2010 screenset is exactly the same as in the regular screenset.
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Hi Gerry,
Let me ask you a dumb question, I may have over looked it. Does the fixed plate and the portable zero plate need to be the same thickness?
Charlie
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No, the fixed plate can be any thickness. The Z location of the top of the plate is saved when you do the initial auto zero.
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OK I ask because my fixed is .125 and my movable z zero plate is .5. I using it and My zero was .5 too high. Thanks.
Charlie
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After a tool change, or before?
Make sure that "Material Offset" is not checked, and make sure you have .125 as your plate thickness.
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Hi Gerry,
OK I don't have Material offset checked and I was not doing a tool change, I was just setting z zero on the work stock. I thought that the plate thickness entry is for the fixed plate. I am thinking that the two plates have to be the same thickness, if not then I don't see how it can work with two different thickness plates and one plate thickness given.
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No, the plate thickness entry is for the movable plate.
When you do the initial auto zero, the tool is zeroed to the movable plate first, using the thickness of the movable plate.
When it travels to the fixed plate, it saves the offset distance of the fixed plate surface relative to Z zero, which is already set.
When you do a tool change, the tool goes to the fixed plate, and uses the saved Z offset distance to set the new tool to Z zero.
Hope this makes sense.
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It does thanks for clearing that up.
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Hi Gerry,
I ran into a little bug this morning. In the off sets tab When I select different offsets the radio button does not move, however the coordinates change. have you seen this before?
Charlie
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Did you enable the Brains as described in the manual?
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Hi Had it all working, even got the touch probe working as it should. I was jogging the machine then it just stopped. No movement what so ever. The limit switches did not work either. come to find out all the settings got screwed up. Once you mentioned about the brains I just checked that and it too was not checked and like I mentioned I had all that working for about a month and then it just lost all the settings. Any idea as to why I would lose everything? I even had to re calibrate the axis in motor tuning.
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It's a known issue in Mach3 that .xml files will occasionally become corrupt. It's happened to twice, but not to the extent that you're seeing.
What you could have done is go into the \Mach3\xmlbackups folder and copy one of the backups into the \Mach3 folder. You just need to rename the extension to .xml
When you get everything working, I recommend making a copy of your actual .xml file and saving it somewhere else. Then, if anything starts acting up, just overwrite the .xml and everything should start working again.
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Hi Gerry,
Thanks. I will make a backup.
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Hi Gerry,
I keep getting "Probe ignore activated at call for probe" and then the router goes off into left field. Why am I getting this? This has happened to me several times when I am probing for X,Y zero.
Charlie
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That's a Mach3 error telling you that the probe is already being triggered when the probing macro is called.
You may have noise triggering the probe input.
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I bought your screenset couple of weeks ago and have been learning how to use it. One problem I have run across is the simple auto zero macro. The router bit routinely has about a 0.5 mm gap between the bit and the surface after autozeroing. The moveable plate I used was a circuit board measured to be 1.67 mm with a caliper. This plate thickness was entered correctly into the Tool Change tab. I have used this plate successfully before with an autozero macro that I set up with the default screen. I don't think it's something to do with your macros, but do you have any idea what might cause this kind of problem?
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My guess would be noise triggering the probe input before the second probe. Watch the tool tip very carefully and make sure it's actually touching the plate twice.
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I did use a magnifying glass to look at the tool tip during the zeroing process. The probe tip was indeed touching the plate both times. I just finished reading the whole thread. Someone had this happened to him and he found out it was backlash. I'll check backlash to see if that's the problem.
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Are you using a parallel port, or motion controller?
What version of Mach3?
Several people have recently had issues with 3.043.066.
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Hi Gerry, Just a quick question with regards to the probe offsets.
I've retrofitted a Datron router and just setting it up and the offset from the probe (drop down aligned with the spindle) which is X+28 and Y+8 I've put the settings into the probing offsets screen and it probes perfect finding the centre/center every time..however it "appears" to get the offset setting from two dro's in the 1800's area 26-27 as I recall.. yet it places the probe at the centre every time...could I have a bad install or has this occurred before?
It also uses the Wine rack auto toolchange script by Brian barker modded by me.....is there a simple way I can still use this and maybe add a button for tool setting and store all TLO's from the tool-table?
The screen is very clean btw!
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Actually, I think there are some bugs in the offsets. I've only had one other person notice it in 4 years.
Send me an email, and I'll send you some updated macro's.
To use the ATC, just use your ATC M6Start macro instead of the 2010 M6 Start macro, and it should work fine.
Since you don't need the Initial Auto Zero macro, you can just create your own M881 macro and use it for tool setting. Since the button calls the M881 macro, you don't need to change anything in the screen at all.
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I'll get the email sorted in the morning Gerry :beer:
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Where do I go for help with Mach3 Sreenset 2010, just got it and I cut one part but now it locks up my computer after the M6
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If you're using Mach3 version 3.043.022, then you need to update to a newer version. This is a known Mach3 bug, and is mentioned in the 2010 manual and on my website.
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Many thanks Gerry, The files got it all moving along nicely :beer:
Added some code to the probing page "Open button" and the "close button" to move the Z axis to a safe position to lower and raise the probe.
Excellent screenset btw!
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Hi
I love the screen just need a little help. Where is the axis calibration located since i am having a hard time finding it? Do i need to do it in the original screen then swap over and if so will it mess up the motor tuning swapping from screen to screen?
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You need to go back to the default screen if you need to use the axis calibration. It's not included in the 2010 Screenset.
Changing between screens should have no effect on anything, but it's a good idea to close and restart mach3 and time you change any settings.
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Thanks.
I was thinking that was the way to do it i just wanted to make sure before making a mistake.
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Hi guys,
I am running the 2010 screenset on a all aluminium milling machine with a steel chinese spindle. I currently am trying to use the auto xyz function, but as both the aluminium part and the spindle with the cutting bit are grounde to my table it does not work.
The only way i have been able to get around the problem is to wrap the spindle in electrical tape. This does work but with so much metal swarf flying around it does not take long for it to short the homing system out. Is there a way around this that any one has tried or perhaps evev a setting for it.
I thought about setting the low high check box but not sure if that would work. The other alternative maybe would be to use a proper spring loaded probe with the little ball on the end, as that would still trogger but not electricall short.
So what do u think??
Thanks in advance
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You can try using some single sided PCB material as a touch plate, as it will be isolated on one side.
Or as you said, use an actual probe.
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Hello Everyone,
I just installed the 2010 Screenset and looks Great!!
But I have few small issues. First is the resolution on my monitor is 1600x900 and every 2010 screenset i used is to wide for my screen
So I can't see the whole screen. No big feal I just use 2010.set a bit smaller on my screen but it looks OK.
2nd problem is no matter what tab I use lets say run,offsets or any I have some numbers below and outside the screen.
If I click on the tool change tab than those numbers are still there along with some other numbers on the side of the screen.
Weird Right? Last thing I'm trying to use the simple z zero bit And I get an error (clearance plane must >0- please reset)
I home my z to the top in machine cordinates is +0.0000 along with my x and y axis What am I doing wrong?
Bellow is a screenshot of my screen and the numbers outside the screen.
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1), If the widescreen versions are too big, then yes, you'll need to use the 2010.set screen.
2) Drag the lower right corner of the window to fit the screen, and you won't see those numbers, which were intended to be hidden. (You can't see them on a 1024x768 monitor)
3) Go to the toolchange tab and enter a value larger than 0 in the Clearance Plane DRO.
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Gerry,
I adjusted my screen res to 1024x768 minimized the taskbar and used the 2010.set
Everything looks much better!! Also the tool zero worked like a charm.
Thank you
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please sen me sceen like this
thanks
Lam Nguyen
email: tuanlam50oto@gmail.com
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Please send me $20...
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Something like this.
please send me sceen like this
thanks
Lam Nguyen
email: tuanlam50oto@gmail.com
;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
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Gerry,
Another small problem. I did the initial tool zero the bit touched my fixed plate then moved to the fixed plate on the table
And started cutting but never asked for the tool change. Continued cutting with same bit. I use Vectric Aspire 4.5
the toolpath was generated with 2 different tools. I can not figure out what to do next.
Can you please help me? I will try attaching the G Code.
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Miss typo: (touched my fixed plate then moved to the fixed plate on the table)
touched my removable plate then moved to the fixed plate on the table
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In General Config, do you have tool changes set to "Stop Spindle, wait for Cycle Start"?
ANd on the Toolchange Tab, do you have "Ignore M6 Calls" unchecked?
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In General config it was ignore tool changes. I will change that to stop spindle and wait for cycle start.
On the tool change tab is not checked to ignore m6.
I will try again later Today and let you know.
Thanks for the quick reply!!!
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Another issue.
Now when the axis moves to the fixed plate location on my table Z travels about one inch down never touches the plate
and zeros out. My fixed plate is about 3 inches away from the bit. When I first setup the initial tool zero worked as it should.
Any ideas as to why is doing that?
Thanks.
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If you see a message that Z is now zeroed (or something similar), than noise is triggering the probe input.
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The only message I get is
Material offset is Now carculated in inches.
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Yes, that's what I was referring to. I really need to change that.
That message means that the probing operation has completed. The only way that happens is if the probe input is triggered.
Other users that have run into this is have added a capacitor across the input to work around the noise.
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Thank you Thank you.
Finaly everything works as it should.
One last question How do I add a code for my machine to go to home or park position after the fish cut.
By the way I appreciate all your Help and the fast replies!!!
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Something must be wrong with my keyboard I keep misspealling words.
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M883 will send it to the park position.
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These are the last five lines on my Gcode
N4280G00Z0.8000
N4290G00X0.0000Y0.0000
N4300M09
N4310M30
%
Can you point out where do I add the m883?
Sorry just new to CNC world.
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The N43xx are optional line numbers, so you can do it with or without a line number. It needs to be before the M30, because M30 rewinds back to the beginning. Here are two ways to do it.
N4280G00Z0.8000
N4290G00X0.0000Y0.0000
N4300M09
M883
N4310M30
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or
N4280G00Z0.8000
N4290G00X0.0000Y0.0000
N4300M09
N4305 M883
N4310M30
%
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Hi Gerry,
I was wondering if you can help me?
I have a Mach3 plugin for Huanyang VFD is just a dll file that I put in the plugins folder under mach3
But I have no idea as how to install that within mach. If I click on the tab plugin control the only window I see
Is (video window) and thats it. I have an USB to RS485 adapter that I will use to control my spindle.
Can you Help me?
Thank you
Gus
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Never mind Gerry,
I got it all working. Is nice to be able to control the speed of the spindle within Mach.
Gus
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Hello,
I have a question before i buy.
One of the key things I would like to have is the "Auto Tool zero"
I see you need two plates ( one movable plate and a second fixed plate )
My problem is I only have 1 input on my board available. ( since I am using a smooth ethernet stepper, I am hesitant to connect a second board, I could not find anything on internet where people have done this)
so my question is can I connect these two plates in parralel ?
Thanks
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Yes, the two plates are both connected to the same input (Probe Input in Mach3).
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Hi Gerry,
I bought from you 2010 screenset, it is ok, but I have a problem: I use tangential control function and can not turn on, on your screenset. I have to upload a different screenset, so I could access the settings menu, ALT-6, in order to activate tangential control button. I can do this in the 2010 screenset ?
Thank you.
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Sorry, there's no Tangential On/Off button.
Did you buy this strictly to run a tangential machine? If so, send me an email and I'll refund the purchase price.
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2010 screenset is excellent and I would not ask for money back especially after long use with no problem.
No, I use them not only for tangential control. I want to know if there is any possibility to activate tangential control, without being forced to change screeenset. Maybe a combination of buttons or other metod.
Thanks.
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As far as I know, you would need to add a button and maybe LED to the screenset.
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Hello Gerry,
I bought the screen set and I put the resolution of my monitor to 1024x768 I also put the
window task bar to auto hide.
My problem is that when i turn on the "Diagnostic" screen it seeems to cut of the right side of that windo ( I mean I do not see the red "X" at the top to close the windos
Any Idea why this is so ?
Thanks
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Yes, it's the way Mach opens the "TAB" screen by default.
Here's what you do.
Hit the TAB key, to open the Diagnostics screen.
Hit the TAB key to close it.
Hit the TAB key again to open it, and then drag the left edge to the proper position.
Hit TAB to close it.
Close and restart Mach3, and it should stay in the correct location.
This info is in the manual, btw.
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Thanks,
My wife always tell me: ...... Read................ continue reading................read till the end ........... then you will know more then most ;D
Thanks
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Gerry, I had to re-load my whole computer again and cannot get the zero to Laser to work. I push the button and nothing happens. M8 does turn on the laser but when I go to zero to laser nothing occurs. Running 3.043.066 Mach.
Thanks, Bryan
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Did you copy the macros from Mach3\macros\2010\ to Mach3\macros\yourprofilename\?
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Yes I did copy the files to the macro profile name. When I press the laser zero button I get the value programmed into Marco 890 displayed on X and Y Coordinates but no movement
Bryan
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It's not supposed to move, just set the offset so that the spindle is at 0,0 when moved to the position of the laser dot.
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I must have a modified 890 Macro. I found the copy of the 890 I have been using on my labtop and put it in the Marco folder and its working fine. Thanks for your quick response and information.
Bryan
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Hello Ger:
The "Simple" tool setting macro works absolutely perfectly in my mill for setting the present tool in the spindle. The machine uses the dspmc controller, and has quick change tooling, the Quick Switch 200 spindle tooling. The controller is the Vital Systems dspmc, and uses analog servo drives.
I understand the 2010 screen set is for routers, however it is my screen of choice, as so many people attest to.
Do you know of any mods of your macro for multiple tools, and setting the offset into the Tool Table?
Thanks,
John
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No, not really. I've had a few people ask me how to make it compatible with ATC's, but I'm not sure if anyone actually has.
You could just use two plates, and let Mach3 zero the Z after every tool change like everyone else does.
Your other option would be to enter their lengths in the tool table, and use G43 in your code to offset them properly. You'd probably want to create a new macro to measure the tool and enter it into the tool table. If the tools are in holders, and you don't change them often, then it's probably easier to just manually measure them.
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Hello Ger:
Since I made the post, I spent some time studying the Simple macro print out. I have made some mods and separated the new code by
very visible long lines of ***********************.
In between these sections, I added some code snippets copied from some old code made by TP that did the adding TLO stuff. I removed nothing from the original code. So, all the mods are visible, with explanations.
I tested it as I went, with a desktop mini router on my desk next to the computer. When it looked like it was working OK, I put it on a USB memory stick, and went out to the CNC mill in the shop for the big test.
I copied and pasted the macro section that moves the spindle down, to a second section labeled N2:, which is for setting the working tools offsets. Both sections use message boxes.
There are a few bugs yet to fix, but it seems to put the TLO and tool number in the Mach3 tool table. I put shims of different thickness's
on top of the touch plate in the desktop router, to simulate different tool lengths. All of the working tool lengths are set relative to the
Z0.000 home, set in the first section that sets the Master tool. I am using an Edge finder for the Master tool.
My next task is to get the macro to stop if I want to terminate it. Right now, it just keeps on running. Also, putting in the tool diameter.
I will send you my modified macro when it is working 100%. The original macro is totally bullet proof, which I really like.
John
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My next task is to get the macro to stop if I want to terminate it.
From my experience, the only way to reliably terminate a macro is with an "Exit Sub" call.
I actually do an Estop in some of my macro's when I need to exit them, as it was the most reliable method in some cases.
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Hello Ger:
I spent more time today on modification to the 'Simple" tool setting macro, and have it setting a "Master" tool to Z0.000, and the subsequent cutting tools with a question box "input tool number", and auto setting the tool length offset. I checked four tools after running the macro by putting them one at a time in the spindle, and doing a MDI to rapid to the offset the macro put into the tool table. I moved my test surface away from under the tool (a short block of wood, cut clean and square) and then slid the block under the tool when it stopped. They all fit great, which proved to me the mods work properly, even one of the cutting tools was shorter than the Master edge finder probe, and had a negative offset.
The cutting tool setting section of the macro keeps repeating, i.e., a question box.
I suppose the E-stop is the simplest solution to aborting the action once the probe sequence starts.
I encountered one mishap during my testing. After my tool #1 (a #3 center drill) did the second probe touch from .05 above the plate, it punched down into the touch plate, and then retracted. The conductive surface is a copper clad board glued to a steel block. It didn't bust the center drill, just a rapid jog down, and then retract up.
After the probe cycle there is the line:
Code "G0 Z" & ZClear ' Retract to clearance Plane
I think the machine read the "G0 Z" and moved, before getting the whole context of the line. Maybe I am wrong, but I deleted the
line, and replaced it with; Code "G53 Z-.2", which rapids up to .2 before the Z home position.
Lots of hours spent, but works like a charm now.
John
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Z Clear is the value of the clearance plane setting in the screenset. If it was 0, it would have made a rapid move down to the bottom of the plate I think.
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Hello Ger:
I understand what the line is (the clearance plane), but in all my running the macro for two days, over and over testing changes, that never happened. When the tool jammed into the touch plate, I was really surprised. It immediately retracted and lifted the touch plate up as it was stuck on the end of the center drill.
I also had added the line, Code "G53 Z-.2" after the original macro line to move to the clearance plane, which was 1".
It looks to me like it was on it's way to Z0.000, and maybe even jammed the center drill further up into the Albrecht chuck. Pretty spooky.
It may have been a quirk, but the beginning of the line is , Code "Go Z" ..................
Since I am modifying the macro to set quick change tools in a milling machine, and the spindle stays in the same X-Y location, the move up to just below the Z machine home is for changing out the tool holders, as I have a big quill with 6" of travel. There is no need for a clearance plane like a router with two touchplates.
All things said, I really like the macro.
John
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Ger,
I have been using 2010 for some time. I recently wanted to add a tangential knife to my CNC. I notice the button on the standard Mach3 screen but can't find it in 2010. Was this eliminated from 2010? Do you know what script is required or a way for me to find out?
Thanks
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Sorry, but I don't know what button your referring to.
The 2010 screenset was designed for running routers, and was never intended to use tangential mode.
You either need to modify the 2010 Screenset to do what you need, or just use View > Load screens to switch to the default screenset.
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Hi Gerry,
You mentioned in your tutorial videos that the max z depth for the initial auto zero macro is 6" and that the macro would have to be edited for anything more than 6". My machine has a 12" z depth. Could you please show me, send me or teach me how to edit the auto zero macro to work with my machine?
Thanks,
Justin
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I replied to your email. It's also probably somewhere in this thread.
In the M881, M889, and M6End macros, you need to change the value of FirstProbeDist. There are two, one for inches (6) and one for mm's (150).
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Hello. I bought the 2010-screenset back in 2013 and have the 1.1.4.msi. I newer got around to install it. As I am planing a rebuild or new machine I wonder if this this the latest one or is there a newer one I should install?
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You have the latest version.
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super. thanks :)
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im having an issue with the 2010 screen. i have recently put new motors on my machine and so i created a new mach profile for this setup. the problem is that now none of the homing buttons, or the tool setting buttons work anymore. (spindle on, and the m code buttons work fine)
if is switch over to the original mach screen i can home it from there just fine.
anyone have any suggestions?
i have restarted several times and i have reinstalled the screenset once and nothing is helping.
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If you created a new profile, you have to copy the macros from Mach3\macros\2010 into the Mach3\macros\newprofilename\ folder.
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Gerry, Is there a Post Processor for Vectric's Cut3D? I tried using the Vectric V-Carve Pro Ver 7.5-8.0, but there are several modifications required in order to get Cut3D to load this *.pp file. I had to comment out the following lines: 30, 32, 66, 85, 89-93, 96, 178, 184 and 186. The primary function removed by these comments is the DWELL operation, which isn't a operation used in Cut3D. Do you see anything in my edits that would cause you concern?
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I don't have a copy of Cut3D, so I don't have a post. Can you email it to me?
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Hi Gerry
I have small problem.
My screen resolution is 1366x768 i know i expect some white space area but i attached screenshot.
So you can see some bitmaps or graphics bending..
What must i do ?
Thanks
Edit :
i find solutions.
Auto Screen enlarge must be turned off....
problem solved
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Yes, turn off Auto Screen Enlarge, and drag the corner of the window to fit the screen.
Sorry for the late reply, I'm out of the country traveling.
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I purchased the mach 3 Screenset 2010 and got an order confirmation that payment was made but there was no download link for it. Can you tell me where that link is please. I also emailed about this so I would like to now be able to download. Thank You.
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First, greetings to all. Ger 21, I'm sorry if you wrote yesterday impatience, but I'm Spanish and do not really understand everything that gets on the web. In fact, I'm translating all this and do not know whether you will understand me well.
I have been working for long with WinPC NC. Now in my factory I bought a new machine with Mach3 and Mach3 XHC usb card. For me it was frustrating to see how different and how difficult it seems to me mach3 respect to another program; but since I am very stubborn I'm getting progress gradually.
I've already got the machine works; but my biggest problem is to configure the meter tool.
I bought 2010 Screenset because I read it was much better for macros and meter, but I still have not gotten measure Screenset 2010.
I appears on a screen "clearance plane must> 0- Please reset"
But I can not change zero "clearance plane", I can not activate "Manual spindle control" or "machine coordenates".
When "use safe Z" I get a code that also do not understand how to activate.
Sorry, but although I like the interface 2010 Screenset not understand some things.
Could you help me somehow? Is there any manual settings? And if it is not too much to ask ... is not there something in Spanish?
(Ger, maybe it would be a great way to open your market ;) )
Thank you all, and to Ger21.
Thankfully I hope your answers
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Sorry, another question.
I forgot to say how to measure tools in our projects:
We do not measure on the work material, because this material we will roughed. We always have the measuring on the desk, at a fixed height. In each tool change we go out measure and machine recalculates the distance from the tool to touch, to continue to make a fine roughing on the workpiece.
Do you know the correct way to measure mach3 this mode?
Thank you very much again
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I highly recommend learning Mach3 with the default screenset before using the 2010 Screenset, as understanding mach3 will make using the 2010 Screenset easier.
I appears on a screen "clearance plane must> 0- Please reset"
But I can not change zero "clearance plane", I can not activate "Manual spindle control" or "machine coordenates".
When "use safe Z" I get a code that also do not understand how to activate.
On the toolchange tab, enter the clearance plane value, and hit the "Enter" key.
In Mach3, you always need to hit enter after entering values into DRO's
I can not activate "Manual spindle control" or "machine coordenates".
Manual Spindle control does not activate the spindle. It just stops the toolchange macro to wait for the user to start the spindle during the tool change.
Machine coordinates are always displayed. There is no button or method to turn them on or off.
Could you help me somehow? Is there any manual settings? And if it is not too much to ask ... is not there something in Spanish?
Sorry, I don't know if I understand exactly what you're asking. And I don't know Spanish (only a few words and phrases)
If you are asking if there is a manual, you can find a link in your Start menu, or on my website.
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Sorry, but my English is also very very basic. Yes, I have used the original mach3; and I think more or less I understand the program.
If I hit the enter key, but even if the strike remains at zero, the numerical value is not fixed. The same happens with me "Manual spindle control" or "machine coordenates"; not that I want to activate the engine; It is that I can not activate these boxes. Do not know if maybe it is problem of my version of Mach3, but I thought it could be a problem for some unknown value that had put so erroneous.
Sorry for my English, I try to help from google, hehe.
Another question, do you know our method to measure? In WINPC NC it is almost automatic do this, but here it seems very complex.
Thank you so much Ger 21
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What version of Mach3 are you using? If it's a very old version, then the 2010 screenset may not work with it.
If you mount a fixed plate to your spoilboard ("desk"?), then the 2010 auto zero should do what you want, if I understand you correctly.
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Ouch, I thought it might be. I will update the program. Thank you very much; I was already a little crazy with all this. I hope everything works properly updated. Today in the morning I'll try.
Thanks again Ger21
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You need to be using at least a 3.42.********* version.
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Thank you very much, I've tried the update and I've seen some options that did not exist in the old version (Control brain ...)
Now I can put the plane clearance, lol just install it right now.
But for now I have a problem that I had, when I touch auto tool zero and the light goes on "probe", then Z axis rise to to up but don't stop in the right place.
The Z axis is not stopped all the way up until it touches the limits
Thank you very much again. I will continue investigating until everything is ok.
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Are you using the parallel port, or a motion controller?
If motion controller, which one?
Do not use version 3.043.066
Go to the FTP site and get 3.043.062
http://www.machsupport.com/software/downloads-updates/#tabs-6
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A motion controller usb: mach3 usb motion card (xhc)
This:
http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1uFM7KF*********XcEXpXXq6xXF*********q/XHC-MK4-font-b-CNC-b-font-Mach3-font-b-USB-b-font-4-Axis-Motion.jpg (http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1uFM7KF*********XcEXpXXq6xXF*********q/XHC-MK4-font-b-CNC-b-font-Mach3-font-b-USB-b-font-4-Axis-Motion.jpg)
Ok, I will download this version
thanks, thanks, thanks !!!
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Some chinese motion controllers don't support probing properly. I'll send you an alternate set of macros later today that may work better. I don't have them here with me now.
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Thank you very much, then I will wait to try them
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Hi. Good afternoon Ger. First, thank you for all your help.
I am very happy because I can measure correctly, I think.
You can not imagine how much you've helped me.
I have just one last question. A while ago, I tried a file for the first time.
The measurement makes it right, but when beginning work says: "In Scripter Compile error. M6End.m1s"
But although the computer warn of this error the machine has successfully begun to do the job. But....
Changing the tool: after I change. The machine has not measured the No. 2 tool, the machine has continued to work directly without measuring.
The work done so far has been perfect. I have only that "little" problem.
Sorry, today I just wanted to thank you and good news. I wish my problem is small.
A big hello !!
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I'll check this later today.
This is with the new macro I sent you?
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Yes, this happens using the new macros that you sent me.
Everything worked fine. The message worried me but until the change of the second tool everything was ok.
The only problem has been that. When I put the second tool spindle is operated and down directly to continue the work. The tool does not measure the milling cutter
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Thank you very much Ger. Absolutely wonderfull.
Everything worked perfectly. I am very happy, the machine also has worked very fine.
We have done a test resin. Now we will begin a definitive work on steel.
Many thank you very much for your plugin and attention you have given me.
I recommend it to all users mach3 if you want a friendly interface and the best settings "auto tool zero" buy all the: 2010 Screenset.
A money very well spent.
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Hi Gerry,
I am pretty new to the Mach3 CNC.
I just bought Mach2010 and installed, which looks pretty awesome.
I am using nMotion USB BoB and Mach3 Version R3.043.066.
Do I need to downgrade the Mach3 latest version to something else, or Mach2010 would work fine with the latest version?
Thank you.
Kaiser
I'll check this later today.
This is with the new macro I sent you?
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I'm not familiar with that board, but I would recommend 3.043.062.
Some motion controllers don't support probing properly, and I have some different macros that usually work with those, if you have any problems.
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Hi there, just wondering how the tool zero works with an ATC, does it write the values for the different tool numbers into the tool table according to the tool number in the spindle when you zero it?
thanks
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It doesn't work with an ATC as supplied.
You'll need to modify the macros to handle your ATC.
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I was about to buy a copy of this screen set to give it a try, but have a couple questions.
There would be no problem working with a UC100 motion controller, I presume?
Will it work with other wizards, like the X box controller wizard?
Does the screen set include a full probing routine?
Lastly, can you set the macro to automatically adjust for the probe tip diameter ?
Thanks
Dan
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I was about to buy a copy of this screen set to give it a try, but have a couple questions.
There would be no problem working with a UC100 motion controller, I presume?
Yes, it works fine with the UC100
Will it work with other wizards, like the X box controller wizard?
I think you mean X Box plugin? It should work with any plugin.
Does the screen set include a full probing routine?
Probing is done in a wizard. The brief manual lists all the included probing routines. http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/2010%20Probing%20Manual.pdf
Lastly, can you set the macro to automatically adjust for the probe tip diameter ?
You enter the tip diameter. Not sure what you mean by "automatically adjust" for tip diameter.
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I was about to buy a copy of this screen set to give it a try, but have a couple questions.
There would be no problem working with a UC100 motion controller, I presume?
Yes, it works fine with the UC100
Will it work with other wizards, like the X box controller wizard?
I think you mean X Box plugin? It should work with any plugin.
Does the screen set include a full probing routine?
Probing is done in a wizard. The brief manual lists all the included probing routines. http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/2010%20Probing%20Manual.pdf
SO probing is not part of the screenset itself?
Lastly, can you set the macro to automatically adjust for the probe tip diameter ?
You enter the tip diameter. Not sure what you mean by "automatically adjust" for tip diameter.
I guess this is what I mean. The macro I am using now requires me to move my table .0625 to accommodate the .125 tip of my probe.
Thanks for the response. I will read the manual some more and see if it will probe.
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If I understand you correctly, then yes, it accounts for the probe diameter.
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alrighty, payment sent
thx
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Working in installing but windows 7 i blocking it has harmful. Gotta find out how to chance the security.
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In 6 years, I've heard from maybe 5 others who ran into that. They were all able to resolve it. I believe it's either Windows or virus security settings.
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I have 2010 screen set working, I think. I got it to hopefully have a viable probing routine, but once I got it installed and set up, I ran into a problem. I am trying to find the center of a circular pocket, but after initial contact on the Y axis, I get a "probe ignored" message. It appears it is not backing off enough to reset the probe. How do I adjust this?
Also, I was wondering if there are flyout tool tips for the buttons? I understand I will have to learn them, but it is kinda slow having to resort to the manual for each button until I learn them.
Thanks
Dan
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Also, I was wondering if there are flyout tool tips for the buttons? I understand I will have to learn them, but it is kinda slow having to resort to the manual for each button until I learn them.
Sadly the Mach3 software does not support description boxes at all. I think it is a programming issue.
I arranged the buttons descriptions and probing to fit on two A4 pages. I have it printed and laying around to be at hand when needed. I attach it here, maybe you and/or other users will find it useful.
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Thx Paulus
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I am trying to find the center of a circular pocket, but after initial contact on the Y axis, I get a "probe ignored" message. It appears it is not backing off enough to reset the probe. How do I adjust this?
Sorry, I was away for the weekend with no internet access.
The macros are coded to back off 1/4 of the probe diameter. You'd need to edit the macros to change it.
Backing off further is not going to help if the probe is still being triggered after backing off 1/4 of the probe diameter.
Is the probe sticking, or the contacts bouncing? Perhaps noise is triggering it?
As mentioned, mach3 does not support tool tips.
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I adjusted for noise, but haven't tested yet. I tried access the macro by the button edit feature, but no luck
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Operator > VB Script Editor.
The macros are M code macros, and the numbers are listed in the probing manual.
You want to edit M909 in the Mach3\macros\yourprofilename\ folder
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Hi Gerry
How is it looking about a PP for Fusion360?? Is this something that will come in the near future??
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I can't promise anything right now, as I'm swamped with work.
About a month or two ago, I started researching the pp and downloaded all the docs I could find. But I didn't have any time to start learning it.
It could be two weeks, or 6 months. But I'll see if I can find some time sooner rather than later.
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That's ok. I was just curious...
I can use the standard screenset for tests for now if I ant to.. :)
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You don't need a special post processor to use the 2010 Screenset. Regardless of which screenset you use, Mach3 still runs the code exactly the same way.
The only thing my custom posts really do is remove the first tool change, to avoid zeroing the first tool twice.
The standard Fusion 360 post, though, has a lot of stuff in it that I personally wouldn't want. But code that it creates will run the same in Mach3 regardless of which screenset you're using.
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What about the tool change settings, will they still be the same then.
If Fusion 360 issues an M6 command, for a tool change, I guess it will work as it would for the 2010 screenset as well.
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Yes, as long as there's an M6 in your code, it'll work fine.
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Hi, I installed the mach3 screenset but when I click on my mach3 profile to use it, the same old mach3 screen pops up and not the mach3 2010 version, please advise, thanks.
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Forgot to add this is version 3.42.02
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Did you go to View > Load Screens, and select one of the 2010 screenset files?
Please read through the manual, as there's a lot of information on setting up the screenset in the manual.
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Thanks, I'm on the right track now.
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I don't have a limiting switch for my z axis. The manual says to edit a script file to make the autozero toolchange work, do you have anymore info on that, thanks.
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If you don't have a Z axis home switch, just jog to the top of the travel and "REF" the Z axis there. Do this when you first start mach3.
If you use the Ref All button to home your X and Y, just make sure the Z axis is all the way up before you do.
You don't have to edit any macros.
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Thanks, this is a really nice addition to mach3, speeds up so many things for me, kudos.
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I do like screenset the more I use it, I just wish the probing feature woiuld work.
My problem is that I can't edge probe because the code does not back away far enough after initial contact to disconnect the probe tip. I am using the standard electrical probe witha 1.8 inch tip. I have gone in and messed witht he code a little bit and got a couple functions to work by reducing the D value for D/4 to D/2, but it doesn't work on all of the macros. I have trued my probe tip as best I can on my drill press. I can't get it the adjustment screws on my X2 mill to dial it in perfectly.
Is the a macro set that adjusts the probing back off or is there a line of code I need to cut and paste? Also, is there a table that tells me which function is assigned to which macro? Reassign button function inherent in Mach 3 doesn't work with 2010.
Thanks
Dan
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Dan, are you the one that keeps emailing me about the probing?
If so, I reply the same day, and then get another email weeks later??
Edge probing works like this:
If you have a slow feed rate set, the probe should back away 1/4 the probe diameter, and then probe at the slower rate.
In the X+ direction, the back away move is this:
Code "G0 X" & XHit-ProbeD/4
You can change the ProbeD/4 to any numeric amount you want.
Code "G0 X" & XHit-0.5
will back up 0.5inches (or mm's).
If no slow probe feedrate is set, the probe will back up by the XY Clearance amount.
The second slow probe will back up to the position the probe was in when the operation started.
Here's the block of code where the above line occurs.
If FRate2=0 Then
Code "G0 X" & XHit-Clearance
While IsMoving()
Wend
Else
Code "G0 X" & XHit-ProbeD/4
While IsMoving()
Wend
End If
The manual lists the macros for each operation.
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/2010%20Probing%20Manual.pdf
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Thanks for the response.
Do I simply change probe speed?
I have never emailed you. Sorry if my question pissed you off.
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Sorry if my question pissed you off.
No not at all. Sorry if it seemed like it?
No, it's not the speed.
You probably need to replace the ProbeD/4 as I showed earlier in the post.
Actually, if the probe needs to move that far before it trips, you should technically be entering a larger tip diameter I think.
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Kind of what I figured looking at the code. I haven't written code in 10 years, and that was VB. The macro index will help
Thanks
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Is there anyway of getting the screen to expand to full screen without the feedrate DRO in the bottom of the screen that's outside the screenset it self?
It's the one highlighted in the bottom of the screen.
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No, there isn't. Actually that Feedrate DRO can be removed, but there are other DRO's there, and off to the right, that are used by the macros.
And if you use Automatic Screen Enlarge, the screen may not be very clear, as all the text and graphics tend to get distorted.
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Hmmm, I can't see the one to the right, only the one in the bottom. And no matter if I do Auto screen enlarge or not, they do not show up..
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Oh, well it was operator error... :P
I forgot this monitor was running 1280 so when I set it to 1024 instead, then it worked as it shold.. The outside DRO's are no longer visible. :)
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Hi Ger, thanks for all your work, I am really liking the screenset. I am having one small problem right now with my toolpath outputs from Fusion 360 adding a tool change at the beginning of the file similar to the way a Vectric post process does. I am wondering if it's possible to use your Vectric post processors with Fusion to remove the initial M6 command or if I need to keep editing it by hand. Thanks. Luke
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No, you'll need to edit it by hand, as the post processors are not compatible.
I haven't had a chance to learn to write Fusion post processors.
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Ok thanks, It's still awesome and there's an option in Fusion to open your file in an editor on export so the workflow is pretty smooth.
There's also a "use M6" option which can be turned off in "properties" when you post process but I'm afraid I'll leave it off one day when using multiple tools.
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Well I did a little more digging and found one on the Autodesk forum...
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/hsm-post-processor-forum/mach-3-alternative-post-mach-3-2010-screenset/m-p/6296407/highlight/true#M9418
I haven't run a file but at first glance the code looks good, no initial tool change and an 883 macro at the end.
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Thanks for finding that. I'll take a look later today.
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Great product, why didnt I buy it earlier?
Can anyone tell me why I have no toolpath showing?
Ive unchecked all the graphics options, decent PC with decent graphics card, any ideas please?
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Try the icon in the toolbar with the black/white squares, which toggles the toolpath on and off.
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Try the icon in the toolbar with the black/white squares, which toggles the toolpath on and off.
Thanks, will try that tonight when I get home.
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Try the icon in the toolbar with the black/white squares, which toggles the toolpath on and off.
I tried this last night, no difference.
Are there any other graphics / drivers options I need to change or similar?
I am using a basic Nvidia GT210 as a budget card on this machine. Thanks.
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Are you sure that your code is not just off to the side, where you can't see it?
I don't recall ever hearing of anyone not having the toolpath showing? Is there anything in the window at all? Can you post a screenshot?
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Are you sure that your code is not just off to the side, where you can't see it?
I don't recall ever hearing of anyone not having the toolpath showing? Is there anything in the window at all? Can you post a screenshot?
Ill check over the weekend. I have tried to scroll around but see nothing but black. Will do a screenie as well as video of the monitor as I try things. I can only see the three Axis markings in the bottom left corner and I can see the Z height moving but no toolpath.
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Go to Config ? Toolpath. and make sure the toolpath color is not set to black.
It sounds like it's working.
Also, in Config Toolpath, turn on Jog Follow mode, which should bring the toolpath onto the screen if it's out in space somewhere.
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Go to Config ? Toolpath. and make sure the toolpath color is not set to black.
It sounds like it's working.
Also, in Config Toolpath, turn on Jog Follow mode, which should bring the toolpath onto the screen if it's out in space somewhere.
Nothing worked as per above. I could scroll around and it was like I was zoomed in x1000 but couldnt zoom out. I ended up loading the Mach 3 screen, then 2010, now its showing. Odd, thanks for the help.
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Hi Ger another question. I am trying to get my z axis to back off it's home switch after refall. When I remove the apostrophe from in front of the G53 and the While IsMoveing and Wend and use the refall button it refs the axis but nothing else happens, if I step through the macro in the VB editor it moves the axis on the G53 but when I try to step through "While IsMoving" it crashes the VB editor and Mach3 and I have to restart my computer. Any ideas how to fix this? Thanks.
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Are you editing the macro in the Mach3\macros\2010\ folder, or the Mach3\macros\yourprofilename\ folder?
And which macro are you editing?
I'll be driving home for the next 3 hours or so, so won't be able to reply again for a bit.
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Hi Ger I am editing m884 in the Mach3\macros\Baroness2000 folder.
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And using the Ref All button? If so, this should work. It's the same code that I use. Make sure that Baroness2000 is the current profile.
DoButton( 24 )
Code "G53 G0 Z-1"
While IsMoving()
Wend
DoButton( 23 )
'Code "G53 G0 Y1"
'While IsMoving()
'Wend
DoButton(22)
'Code "G53 G0 X1"
'While IsMoving()
'Wend
Are you using the parallel port, or just a motion controller?
Try modifying the M887 macro and using the Ref Z button to see if it's working.
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Yes I am only using the Baroness. When I edit 887 the ref z button behaves as expected. But Refall is still hanging after it finds the switch. If I try to step through it it hangs and I have to restart the computer, if I run it from the button it hangs and I have to do a reset before I can jog or try another button. I am using a Long's motor parallel BOB.
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Copy and paste the code from your M884.
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Ok I kind of have it figured out, I was using Refcombination(3) to call the x and y at the same time and that seems to break the macro. I copy/pasted the original 2010 macro back into my file and everything works now. Here is the code I was trying to run.
DoButton( 24 )
Code "G53 G0 Z-60"
While IsMoving()
Wend
RefCombination(3)
DoButton(25)
Is there a way to use RefCombination in the macro? I'd love to run this, but it hangs my system:
RefCombination(7)
Dobutton(25)
Code "G53 G0 Z-60"
While IsMoving()
Wend
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Are you using a motion controller? It may be that you're controller doesn't support RefCombination()?
I'm using RefCombination similar to your macro, homing X (and Slaved A) and Y at the same time. I'm using the parallel port.
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No motion controller just mach and the parallel port and a $6 BoB
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Hi,
I have a question about the auto tool zero and or simple tool zero. I have a router with quick change but not fully automated (midwest rapid tools). Generally i have all the tools set on top of my spoilboard and once they are set stay set but have recently made a touch plate and a simple macro to set the tool length (not offset z in active fixture offset). Anyway if the tools are set before hand will they always go through the probing routine when the program is run or can that function be turned off but still move to the tool change location?
-Matt
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You'd need to edit the M6 macros to remove the auto zero code.
But, you could probably just use the default M6 macros. I believe that all they do is send the machine to the tool change position.
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So this may have been answered with the 52 pages of posts but could a button toggle be created to enable/disable auto tool zero so it runs first cycle of the day to set tools and then turned off for the rest of the day or when a bit is changed?
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If you don't run the auto zero when you change tools, your Z zero will not be correct?
No, you'd need to edit the macros to be able to do a tool change without the auto zero.
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I purchased 2010 screenset for my mill and was using it fine until my computer crashed. I have a new computer now, and am trying to reinstall my software, but the 2010 setup files fail to install. I get a message that it will damage my computer and Win 7 will not allow me to run the program.
How do I go about getting the files into my new computer?
Thx
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Is it that the setup files won't run, or you can't download it?
If you can't download it from a gmail or other account, send me an email.
If you PC won't let it install, then you need configure your anti virus software to let it install.
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The installer won't run because it is a msi installed program, not an exe. For some reason, Win 7 doesn't want to run it. I can't copy it, expand it, paste it, or run it. Is there a version in exe format instead of msi?
PM sent
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never mind, I got it installed, thanks
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Sent before I saw this.
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So I read some of the 52 pages and did a few searches, actually a few hours of searches. I have an auto tool changer (AccTek) Chinese router. It came setup with the m6 code and it works flawlessly. I have the 2010 screenset which I really like, I setup a fixed and mobile touch plate and have the auto zero working, what I need now is some way for these to work together, I have limit switches and always home the machine on startup, I can run the initial zero without any problem but when I call or a program calls a tool change it picks up whatever tool was called and takes off cutting without knowing the length of that tool. I'd like it to touch off on the fixed plate after it grabs the proper tool, I have next to no idea what I'm doing I. Visual Basic and I've already broken a tool, tool holder, gouged the table .ect trying to get this to work. Any help is appreciated.
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You need to combine the M6Start macro that you got with the machine, with the M6End form the 2010 Screenset, into a new M6Start macro.
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Thanks For the quick reply Ger, also good work on the screenset, i'm very happy with it. i'll try changing the macros, I'll be a little while before i can test, i broke the machine an hour ago after i forgot to home before initial zero and it drove the tool into the table hard enough to break the carriage. Do you know if there is a way that i can set it up to prevent any operations before the machine is homed, for when i forget again?
I realised i'm also having issues with the auto zero, It goes to touch the plate the first time (either one) then go all the way up to machine zero, or near there anyways, then head back down very slowly, but only about the thickness I have the plate set to (17.4mm) then moves up slightly (clearance value) over to the fixed plate and does the same thing. I end up way higher than my part for cutting.
i'm using the 1920 res screen in mm. I had used Big tex's auto zero and it seemed to work alright.
One thing that it could be is that for some reason my machine came with a fixed plate that is wired up as a normally closed circut, so my portable plate is a tiny little NC momentary switch that has maybe a mm of travel between when it is open going up to closed. I adjusted the values in the macro to go up higher before retouching but it is still going all the way up to machine zero (or safe zero - they are both set close together).
maybe adjusting the macros will fix this, i'll try it virtually but i'll be a day or 2 getting this thing welded back together.
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Does your machine use a chinese motion controller? If so, the 2010 macros often won't work. Send me an email, and I'll send you some alternate macros to try.
Also, make sure that you aren't using 3.043.066, as it can also cause probing issues.
If you send me your ATC macro, I'll look at it and see if I can make the changes for you.
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Yes its a chinese motion control, also using version 3.043.066 as it came with the machine, email heading your way.
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I need help with the setup of my MakersGuide Triple edge finder and Mac3 using the Mac3 2010 screen set.
Problems:
I can get it to do the Simple Auto Zero macro. But when I get it to go to zero, instead of going to the top of the material, it says about a millimetre above the work material. I have used a micrometre to measure the edge finder (15.31 mm)
Big problems when I try the Initial Auto Zero for Tool Changes. It will zero down on the edge finder and then go to the fixed plate, touch down and then come back. However, this is only occasionally. Sometimes, it sill go down for the first stage on the movable plate and touch. Then it will go really high and start the slow find. However, because it has moved so far up it stops and then just heads over to the fixed plate and does it auto touch.
The worst problem is that sometimes it thinks that my z-axis is at a positive number (say 50 instead of -50) and just buries itself into the edge finder or the work material depending on what I ask it to do. Goto zero will bury itself into the material, running a simple or tool change auto zero will crash into the edge finder.
Then there is the probing screen that seems to have a mind of its' own. I use the find centre of circle function and have had the following problems.
It moves y-axis +, then y-axis - and finds the edge. After that, it just fast jogs the y-axis + and snaps the bit.
I have never been able to get it to go y+, y-, x+ so it is just not working at all.
I have tested the grounding wire at it is working fine.
I have links to images for my configuration tabs ...
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Alsz5DwlJzrKgZ5cf_hlTaBWqxBMbw
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One setting that you have wrong is Config > Safe Z. You need to set it to use Machine coordinates. If you set Safe Z to -1 in work coordinates, it will plunge into your part, or table.
Are you using a chinese motion controller? If so, that is likely the problem as most don't handle probing correctly.
Also, make sure that you are not using version 3.043.066, as it also has problems with probing.
I do have some modified auto zero macro's that I can send you that work with many chinese controllers, but not all of them.
I don't have modified macros for the probing wizard, though. If you give me a week or two, I can probably do those too.
Let me know what controller, and version of Mach3 you are using. If it is a chinese controller, send me an email, and I'll send you the modified macros. I won't be able to send them until late tomorrow, though, as I'm traveling at the moment.
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Thanks for the reply.
The machine is a Chinese JCut 6090a but it is using a Mach3 controller.
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Mach3 is the software, but it's most likely sending commands to a motion controller like this:
https://goo.gl/o31Jj2
These motion controllers actually handle the probing operations, and most of the chinese ones do not support probing properly.
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Mach3 is the software, but it's most likely sending commands to a motion controller like this:
https://goo.gl/o31Jj2
These motion controllers actually handle the probing operations, and most of the chinese ones do not support probing properly.
I have added a new image to the previous ones showing the controller I have in the machine.
I changed the safe - z coordinates to machine based and have even more problems.
When I use the edge finger it work fine for a little while using the simple or tool change auto zero but then starts to go crazy. I successfully got it to work about 4 times in a row. Then after that it would stay down on the probing, touch once more up along way and then crash into the edge finder. After that this is all it would do. Then turned machine off and on, close machn 3, re zeroed the machine. Nothing would stop it crashing.
At no point when I use used the go to zero toolbar button would the z go anywhere near the work surface..
I tried just using a simple piece of aluminium onto of my work piece with the probe wire attached and never had the crash problem. However when telling Mach 3 to go home, it almost went to where is should have on the x-axis but s always about 1mm too high.
None of this makes sense to me at all.
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The issue is most likely with your XHC motion card. I have another user with the same card that was not able to get probing to work either.
As I said, send me an email, and I'll send you some alternate macros to try that may work.
One thing that I would recommend, is if the probing does not work correctly, then close and restart Mach3 before trying again. Once a macro fails to run properly in Mach3, future attempts will often not work until Mach3 is restarted.
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The issue is most likely with your XHC motion card. I have another user with the same card that was not able to get probing to work either.
As I said, send me an email, and I'll send you some alternate macros to try that may work.
One thing that I would recommend, is if the probing does not work correctly, then close and restart Mach3 before trying again. Once a macro fails to run properly in Mach3, future attempts will often not work until Mach3 is restarted.
I sent you a PM with my email address.
Regards
Darren
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I got it. I was on a plane all day yesterday, and back to work this morning. I'll get it to you this evening.
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Hello,
I just replaced my old pc with a new one. What is the current version of the screenset? I have 1.14. I saw on the site there is patch for probing, do I need to install that as well?
Is there a newer version available?
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1.14 is the latest version.
The updated macro on my site (M909) is only needed if you have you're probe mounted away from the spindle, and are specifying the offset coordinates.
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Hi Ger, I am having an issue where I am trying to machine two parts using materials of different thicknesses using G54/G55 WCS. The file has 3 tool changes. The file runs a 1/2" cutter G54 then G55, then switches to a 1/4" cutter in G55 and cuts those parts perfectly but when it switches back to G54 with the 1/4" cutter the height is off and it doesn't cut deep enough. I am assuming that this is because the tool change macro only updates the zero on G55. Is there a work flow/work around for this?
Thanks!
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Download these macros and replace the existing ones. These set Z zero in G54-G59 offsets, so you can change offsets without losing your Z zero.
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/Zero_G54-G59.zip
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Download these macros and replace the existing ones. These set Z zero in G54-G59 offsets, so you can change offsets without losing your Z zero.
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/Zero_G54-G59.zip
Thanks! Your the Boss!
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I have installed Mach 3 on a new computer, and am having difficulty transferring the 2010 screenset over. I copied the entire Mach 3 file from the old computer to the new one, but when I open the 2010 screenset it appears to missing quit a few files. Is the screenset transferable, or do I need to purchase a new one?
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If you copied the entire Mach3 folder, it should work fine.
If you only copied portions, then you may indeed be missing files. Your description doesn't give me much to go by.
If you no longer have the installation files, send me an email and I'll resend it to you.
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Hi Gerri
Could you post a screen grab of the Wide Screen version. If it's here somewhere I haven't found it. Also are the wide screen layers included in the PS layer files?
Thanks
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The widescreen versions are exactly the same, just with a bigger toolpath window.
Sorry, but I don't have Photoshop files for those. as I didn't do them.
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OK, thanks
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Today I installed the 2010 screenset, I placed the macro's in the right folder and activated the brains. If I try to zero my tool the spindel moves down, stops on the plate and than retracts all the way to the Z axis limitswitch. The machine like's to go to a positive Z machine coordinate (and it can't).
I have set the change position in machine coordinates (X+135 Y+90 Z-15) Z-15 is 15mm below my home/limit position, soft limits are set to -2mm
The machine has no problems with the G31 command, If I use a 'simple' zero script it works like it should.
Anything I can do about that? I would realy like the tool change capability's of this screen.
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What do you have for the Clearance Plane Setting?
Are you using a motion controller? If so, which one? Many chinese controllers do not work correctly.
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I had cp set to 1.0 but also tryed it with 28.0
My controller is a (chinees) stb4100 usb card. I looked at the code and it looks like the g0 z new+1 mm move is mistaken for machine coordinate z +1.0. Can i fix things using g91?
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Send me an email, and I'll send you some different macros to try. Usually, the problem is that chinese controllers don't read the var properly.
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The Email is send, thanks man!
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I won't be able to send the files until I get home from work, which will be 6-7 hours.
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no problem, thanks again
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Gerry is the man!
With the new macro's the machine is working like it should.
Thanks a lot!
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I too have a Chinese USB controller.
Could you post the special macros here?
That would be awesome!
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I'll .zip them up when I get home.
And I'll put them on my website for download.
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Here's a link.
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/Chinese%20Motion%20Controller%20macros.zip
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Thank you!
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Gerry I purchased your screen set a few months ago and now finally thinking about installing. Does it work with the Ethernet ESS controller which I now have on my new Fine Line Automation Saturn 2 router.
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Yes, it does. There are probably several hundred, if not a thousand or more, ESS users using the 2010 screenset.
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So im having abit of a odd problem with this screen, and its with this auto zero routine. Im pretty sure there is just some small problem im overlooking, but instead of scratching my head for a month of 2, im just gonna ask :P
So ive placed my fixed plate on my cnc bed, and the routine runs fine, it zeros on the moveable plate, then moves to fixed. But everytime, the tool starts milling in the air.
If i run the routine for just auto zeroing on the movable plate, it works just fine. And im not really sure where to start problem solving this.
I have installed noise capacitors, so it shouldnt be that.
Anyone have any idea? :)
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Is this after a tool change? Does the g-code have a tool length offset (G43)? If so, does your tool table have tool lengths in it for that tool?
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Hi Gerry
Been using your screen for 2 years now and am very happy. A quick question if I may. Would it be possible to modify the tool change sequence so that the tool is lifted more than the present 0.05", say 0.150. My Z has a lot of backlash which cant be removed so although I compensate in my programs, during tool change the tool doesn't always lift from the probe sensor.
Many thanks for a fantastic screen
Chris
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Yes, you can edit the M881, M889, and M6End macros. Change the FirstRetractDist value in the following section of code.
'//////// the block below will set all your reusable vars depending on Inch or mm.
'//////// this sets the vars so you only need ONE large block of probing code.
If GetOEMLED(801) Then ' On = English Measure INCH
FirstProbeDist = 6.0 ' Probe down 6 inches
FirstRetractDist = 0.05 ' Then retract .05 inch
SecProbeDist = 0.25 ' Then probe down .25 inches
FirstProbeFeed = 10.0 ' First probe feed @ 10 ipm
SecondProbeFeed = 1.0 ' Second probe feed @ 1 ipm
ClearAllow = 0.125 ' Max Allowable Clearance = Z Machine Zero - .125in
Else ' Off = Metric Measure MM
FirstProbeDist = 150.0 ' Probe down 150mm
FirstRetractDist = 1.0 ' Then retract 1mm
SecProbeDist = 6.0 ' Then probe down 6mm
FirstProbeFeed = 250.0 ' First probe feed @ 250 mm/min
SecondProbeFeed = 25.0 ' Second probe feed @ 25 mm/min
ClearAllow = 2.0 ' Max Allowable Clearance = Z Machine Zero - 2mm
End If
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Absolutely brilliant Gerry, many many thanks for an excellent product and exemplary support
Regards
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Nice screen, finally no eye cancer anymore caused by the standard screen.
Trying to modify the set "2010 (1920x1080).set", I get this error:
https://imgur.com/a/RqjCCpO ("File is not consistent - continue?")
When I hit enter, the screen looks abit... Butchered.
Here's how it looks like in Machscreen:
https://imgur.com/a/MawxwX7
The bottom screenshot is from "2010 (1920x1080)-4.set" (same resolution, just with 4 axis instead of 3). I have no error warning when opening the 4-axis set.
I have Mach3 current version installed (not yet licensed, but I do have one), also I just bought Screen 2010.
What is the problem with this set? I looks kinda right in Mach3, and so far it looks like everything is working as expected. I still want to shove some buttons around so I'm not sure if this will work with a corrupted file.
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That's a MachScreen error message, so you'll need to ask Klaus, the author of Machscreen. Sorry, but I don't use Machscreen, so I don't know the answer.
Can you open a "clean" unedited copy of the 2010 (1920x1080).set file without errors?
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I did test this with a clean, unmodified file. I'm a programmer so I know the drill.
I just figured all your 3-axis (not just the 1920x1080) can be opened without errors, but all 4-axis screens give this error. Well, I will check with Klaus, or just go ahead and modify it. Might still work.
Btw in case you still work on this screen and you will be updating it some time, theres a typo in the file "2010-Jog (1650x1080)". I guess you meant 1680x1050. Not like it matters tho, as long as it works.
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I'll check when I get home, but I have on occasion opened the screens in MachScreen, and have never seen an error. And I have loaded all the screens in Mach3 with no issues.
The widescreen versions were created by other users, and I don't use them, so I never noticed the error. I think that they were all modified with Machscreen, but the original 1024x768 versios were done with Screen4.
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OK, In Machscreen, both "2010 (1680x1050).set" and "2010 (1920x1080).set" give a "File Corrupted" error message.
Both work perfectly fine in Mach3.
As I said, I didn't create these, so I don't know what's different about them.
The 4 axis versions of both load into Machscreen with no errors.
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Ger,
I am in the middle of building a pendant with Arduino to use with Screenset 2010, but I seem unable to find where a description of the keystrokes that are used to control the 'button' functions. For example what keystrokes are sent to mach3 when 'home' is clicked on the screen sending the carriage to the home position. I'm sure they are documented somewhere, but I am unable to locate them. Thanks..... Still loving 2010!!!!! Will be willing to share project to anyone interested.....
Thanks......
Henri Monnier - cnc@themonniers.com
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Pages 5-6 in the manual list the hotkeys that are assigned to buttons.
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/2010%20Manual.pdf
If there's no hotkey listed, you can add your own with a screen designer, like Machscreen.
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wow i just install the 2010 and are having many problems i must be missing something . ill start with i have a blinking light at bottom right . i can't home the machine , can't jog . i can go to view and change the screen to screen24 then i see mach3 where i can home can jog ...any ides
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Read the manual to make sure you complete the installation.
The blinking light in the bottom right is the reset LED. The reset button is the last one on the right of the toolbar at the top.
If you've completed the manual part of the installation, and click the reset button, everything should work.
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complected the setup in the manual and the rest LED is out and i can jog the machine but still can't home the machine. i see max/min settings in the limit tab do they need to be entered to home ?
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Did you manually copy the macros into your profile folder?
Once you do that, you just click the Ref All button on the toolbar.
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i did and i renamed the start/end macros. i have jog the machine around and i have checked proximity switches, emergency switch, tough off, all look good. maybe the macros are corrupted
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I forgot to answer about the diagnostic screen.
The manual explains how to set it up. You have to drag it to the left twice.
Where did you copy the macros, and what is your profile name on the Diagnostics page?
The macros should be fine. What happens when you click the Ref All button? Is there a message on the screen at all?
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Thank you Gerry i had copied it to mill and i'm using Oxzila, up and running can't wait to try out the tough off feature..
I am wondering your thoughts on the 2017 I beleave it UCCNC ?
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i bought the 2010 screen set yesterday... i have it all installed and im still getting used to where everything is located.. im loving the look and feel, but first thing i need help with is, after touching off the touch plate, instead of rising 1mm and retouching the plate, the z axis rises almost to the top of my z, and then slowly descends about 50mm, (doesnt touch the plate again) then moves to the fixed plate position and starts the fixed plate probing... i spent a few hours trying to figure out the problem, but i must be missing something, im pretty new to cnc, mach.. but i am competent enough have built the cnc and wiring.. so i must have a setting wrong somewheer
my units are in mm
z axis has about 100mm travel
Z- is toward table Z+ is up to homing switch
touch off block is 20mm (on top of table top, just untill i have it working)
probe works and signal shows active when the plate is touched
ive watched the set up videos at least 10 times
and read the instruction pdf cover to cove 3 times
any help would be amazing, thanks in advance
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hi again Gerry , can you tell me what key is the Z jog ?
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Garysb56
Z jog is page up / page down
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Akira,
Are you using a Chinese motion controller by chance? If so, download and try using the macros at the bottom of the page here:
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html
Direct Link:
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/downloads/mach3/Chinese%20Motion%20Controller%20macros.zip
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hi, most of my stuff is chinese, a PERK or DRAWBACK for living there, but from what i believe my usb controler is maybe russian, at leats thats what the website looks like haha, this is my board
https://www.nvcnc.net/zkmotion.html
thaks i will try them now, should i just copy them to the macro folder and over write the original ones included with the installer (im sorry im not really sure how macros work and im glad there is people like you there to write them)
its a ZKmotion controller.. im very surprised at how well it works, and how simple it is to set up, all tho every now and then it seams to have a problem where in the middle of a job mach 3 says my axis are still running but theirs no movement from the steppers, but matbe one day i will figure that bug out
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I've never seen that controller.
Yes, overwrite the macros in the Mach3\macros\yourprofile\ folder.
Most of the plugins for Chinese controllers do not handle probing properly, so the macros don't work properly.
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as little as i know i think its dong a good job for $100, just installed the new macros and first test was flawless!the joy on my face right now, and the bewilderment of my wifes is a drastic difference ... thank you for the quick response and your continued hard work
just one quick question,, is it possible to use different plate thicknesses for the fixed and movable plate... other wise ill just buy some machined stock
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The fixed plate thickness does not matter. The macro saves the location of the top face after the Initial Auto Zero.
According to their website, that's actually a DDCSV1 controller, which I think are pretty common.
Glad it's working. Let me know if you have any other questions. You can always email me as well.
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thank you
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I have a problem with my spindle spin up before cut is to short and it crashes my machine . is there a way to increase the wait before spindle spin up .
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Config > Ports and pins > Spindle Tab.
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Hi I'm having a strange problem where when i move the display screen around my machine stops and i have to cycle start again but am not losing communication i can just cycle start and all is well as long as i don't move the screen around. any ideas ?
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Don't move the toolpath view while the machine is running. I've never heard of it stopping, but it will typically cause the machine to stutter.
Just a Mach3 limitation.
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Hi,
when you move the toolpath display Mach has to compute a redraw and that starves the motion control of CPU service.
With some very big files its recommended to turn the toolpath display off altogether.
Craig
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I keep get a massage "to fast for pulley" what is this and why?
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You're commanding the spindle to run faster then the pulley speed is set. Set the pulley speed to the range you want to use the spindle.
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My friend has just loaded XP pro in to his cnc but cant get Mach 3 to work is he missing something??
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My friend has just loaded XP pro in to his cnc but cant get Mach 3 to work is he missing something??
Obviously he has missed something. :)
May I suggest that he reads the Mach3 Manual which contains quite detailed installation and setting-up instructions. https://www.machsupport.com/help-learning/product-manuals/
Tweakie.
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who is the maker of this screen i would like to buy but no one can reply to the emails i sent
can this screenset be used on all my 6 machines or do i have to buy it 6 times
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Try Gerrys web site
http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html (http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html)
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thats what i did
i have my machines set already they have been working great since... is this screenset plug and play will it work with the settings i currently use
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does anyone know if the screenset cn work for multiple machs
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Sorry, I forgot to reply to your email the other day.
For hobby use, yes, you can use it on all of your machines. If it's a business, I'd like you to buy one for each machine.
is this screenset plug and play will it work with the settings i currently use
The screenset does not change your existing settings.
Be aware that the probing macros do not work with most chinese controllers, if that's what you have.
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Hi I bought the 2010 screen set two days back. Have not heard anything since. I sent an email to the address as well....
Where so I download this from?
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I replied to your PM.
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Been using screen set fine for months but now initial zero doesn't re touch the fixed plate at the reduced feed rate it just probes it once. I have had this happen before during tool changes but not on initial setup. Using the chinese macros.
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First thing I'd try is replace the .xml file with a known good backup.
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I have uninstall and reinstalled everything and it just the same
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Sorry, I don't have an answer.
If it was working before, then something must have changed?
Does it never work with tool changes, or just sometimes?
I'd have to guess that it's an issue with the controller.
If the macros don't work correctly 100% of the time, then there's a problem somewhere.
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Going on 10 years, what a cool screenset!
I am setting up the screen-set on my new machine. Is there a place I can download the latest files? Past that, when I use the z zero functions, my head is retracting all the way to the top of the throw before coming back slowly for the more accurate measurement. Does the retract height relate to a setting somewhere in the mach settings?
Thanks!
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I got it working woo woo!
Anywhere there was a call to GetVar:
ZNew = GetVar(2002)
I swapped it out for a Sleep and GetOEMDro
Sleep(250)
ZNew = GetOEMDro(802)
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I have a full set of macros on my website for Chinese controllers that do not use the GetVar() function.
They don't work with all Chinese controllers, but they do work for many of them (I think).
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Gerry
I thought I was using the updated macros but it turns out I downloaded the Auto Zero G54 through G59 modified macros instead of the Modified Macros for Chinese Motion Controllers .
Good to go, thank again.
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I have recently purchased and installed the 2010 screen set (which i love by the way) and have discovered I am indeed running one of the Chinese controllers that doesn't like the getvar function. The Chinese controller macros supplied by cncwoodworker work great but i don't think they work with multi offset Auto Zero...
Is there any way to get the Auto Zero G54 through G59 modified macros to work without using the get var function.
I wrote a code to probe and simple Zero in various offsets (i need 18 offsets for current project) which works and populates the zero position in all the offsets table but i have multiple tool changes in the code i want to run, and is painful to have to run the code every time i change tools.
What i was hoping was to use my digitizing touch probe to set the 'Z' offsets and reference point at the beginning of the program and then just zero the tools as i change them to my fixed plate position.
Is there a way to make this work with the controllers that don't use getvar?
Thanks for any input
Olly
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Try modifying those macros be replacing any instance of GetVar(2002) with GetOEMDro(802).
They should work after that.
They do use GetVar and SetVAr to write the other offsets, but I think that Getvar is only an issue with probing with those controllers.
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Try modifying those macros be replacing any instance of GetVar(2002) with GetOEMDro(802).
They should work after that.
They do use GetVar and SetVAr to write the other offsets, but I think that Getvar is only an issue with probing with those controllers.
Thanks Gerry, i will try this tonight when i get back to the machine and see how it goes.
Olly
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So i tried as suggested changing every instance of the getvar(2002) to getoemdro (802) for all 3 of the multi offset macros and tried it again tonight.
I'm not sure if this is what it is suppose to do but basically i manually populated the z readings for the various offsets g54-g59 so they had some variance.
I then ran the initial Zero function to zero what would be G54 position and then it probed my fixed plate, all worked well. So i went to check the offsets table to see if the variables had been updated but it appears to have set them all the same for every offset.
This is not how i was expecting it to work but may just not understand how this operation is suppose to work. I was expecting it to modify the offset table values for Z but in reference to the original offset value and the fixed plate. I was not expecting all the offset Z values to be set to the same.
Attached pics of the offsets before initial zero with z axis variance and after the initial zero where they are all set the same although the measurement seems to be working.
If this is not how it is meant to work i was wondering if this is another case of my controller not liking the getvar command related to the offset code at the end of the macro, and am wondering if there is another work around that may get this to work with these controllers.
Thank you for any input you may have.
Olly
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Attached are the modified macros, encase anyone can see any mistakes i may have made to cause the issue.
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That is how it is supposed to work, with all of them the same. So that if you change offsets, your Z zero stays the same.
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Great, Thanks Gerry.
Ok so it looks like i may be trying to achieve something different.
what i am trying to do:
probe Z heights in offsets G54-G59...with my digitizing probe and save them to the table as most of my offsets need different z heights.
Then i would like to change from the probe to a tool and perform the initial tool zero (for say G54) which will work out the difference between the G54 work zero and the fixed plate.
Then apply that "difference" value to the existing values in the offset table for the other offsets, not overwrite them all as the same.
The code I'm running uses multiple offsets all with the same code, but every offset needs a different z height, and multiple tool changes.
I would like to set all the Z offsets at the beginning and then have then with each tool change modify the offset in relation to its original/previous value. This way I don't have to probe each offset position with every tool change even though they are all at different z heights.
Hope that makes sense, and thank you for any assistance you can provide.
Olly
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Ok so after thinking about this for a while i decided to leave the original macros as they were because they work just fine, but to modify Gerrys M889 macro adding in a few extra variables and commands.
This was my rough working out:
ZORIGINAL= GETVAR(5223) 'GET CURRENT G54 Z VALUE
****'DO M889 PROBING ROUTINE****
ZCURRENT= GETVAR(5223) 'GET G54 Z VALUE AFTER SETTING NEW TOOL
ZDIFFERENCE= ZORIGINAL-ZCURRENT ' CALCULATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS AND CURRENT TOOL
OFFSET2= (GETVAR(5243)-ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5243,OFFSET2)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET3= (GETVAR(5263) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5263,OFFSET3)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET4= (GETVAR(5283) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5283,OFFSET4)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET5= (GETVAR(5303) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5303,OFFSET5)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET6= (GETVAR(5323) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5323,OFFSET6)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET7= (GETVAR(5343) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5343,OFFSET7)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET8= (GETVAR(5363) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5363,OFFSET8)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET9= (GETVAR(5383) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5383,OFFSET9)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET10= (GETVAR(5403) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5403,OFFSET10)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET11= (GETVAR(5423) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5423,OFFSET11)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET12= (GETVAR(5443) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5443,OFFSET12)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET13= (GETVAR(5463) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5463,OFFSET13)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET14= (GETVAR(5483) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5483,OFFSET14)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET15= (GETVAR(5503) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5503,OFFSET15)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET16= (GETVAR(5523) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5523,OFFSET16)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET17= (GETVAR(5543) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5543,OFFSET17)
SLEEP(200)
OFFSET18= (GETVAR(5563) -ZDIFFERENCE)
SETVAR(5563,OFFSET18)
SLEEP(200)
I added the variables into the original M889 macro and placed the relevant lines where i thought they should be, and it seems to work well enough for my current needs...
I can probe all my offsets with my digitizing probe (using a Gcode program I wrote utilizing Gerrys original M899 code.), this initially populates the offset table for all my z positions with values relative to the probe length.
Then i can change the tool from my probe to my cutting tool and re-zero the G54 offset(using my modified Macro) with my movable touch plate.
As the macro is written i have to zero the tool or any subsequent tool in the G54 offset and then it adjusts the other offsets based on the difference found in G54 between the prior z offset and the newly set value.
I would love it if we could incorporate this functionality into the auto tool zero function but i think that is beyond my capabilities. To be honest I'm surprised i managed to get this to work.
I will attach the modified Macro which i have tested and appears to work on my Machine with the Chinese controller, however i offer it as for reference only and and you should check and test this out fully before implementing it for your purposes.
I renamed the modified macro to M950 so i can still utilize the original M889, and i just call it from the MDI screen when i need it.
Big thanks to Gerry for his continued support and help with the macros and his 2010 screen set.
Anyone who has any input on the macro is more than welcome to comment of contribute if they can.
(Gerry, If its not the done thing to post your macros on here, even if modified then please feel free to remove it or ask me to do so, if i can, and i apologize if this is the case) Sorry still new to the forum and the whole CNC thing to be honest.
Cheers
Olly
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Hi,
This post is for reference in case somebody need it.
On a machine driven by an ESS (Ethernet Smooth Stepper), i changed the mobile switch for an active one, delivering 5V if hitted. The fixed switch remains a simple passive switch. There were no way to wire both switches to the same ESS input. Since there's only 1 probe input in mach 3 settings, and an intelligent controler like ESS dont works properly with brains summing the logic of both switches connected to separated inputs, there were only 2 remaining soluions :
- The hardware one, making a little board for adaptating levels and ORing switches
- The software one.
The software on is not properly documented since it needs a function only available in 066 mach3 version. It uses a function named SetInputData. Some forums are talking about it, sometinmes unproperly named, and with wrong parameters definition. This function takes 3 parameters :
SetInputData(Mach3FunctionNum,PinNumber,ActiveLow)
- Mach3FunctionNum : Number of function as noted in machine XML definition file. Probe is 22.
- PinNumber : Port Pin Number on output Board (ie 11, 12, 13..). Beware of port number, wich must be the same for both input, since SetInputData don't have paralell port number parameter.
- ActiveLow: Mus be set to One if Active Low.
Usage :
- Setup Mach 3 settings with Probe port number with mobile switch. IE pin 11, non inverted, on port 1
- Note settings for alternate input for fixed switch. IE Pin 12 Inverted on port 1
- Modify m6nd.m1s as following (Tool Change)
Line138
SetInputData(22,11,0) ' Fixed switch
Line 162
SetInputData(22,12,1) ' Back to mobile Switch
- Modify m881.m1s ( compleete tool probing init)
Ligne 181
SetInputData(22,11,0) ' Fixed switch
Ligne 201
SetInputData(22,12,1) ' Back to mobile Switch
Modified macros will probe mobile switch with mach 3 settings, the will change pin port to reach fixed switch and will probe it, the will revert port pin to mobile switch.
This have been successfully tested on 2010 screenset + Mach3.043.066fr
Hope this will helps...
Cheers
JPC
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Hi again,
This is a question to Ger. I'm the french translator of 2010 screenset (some years ago, now...). I've recently acquired a low cost handwheel ("MACH 3 6 Axis USB Joystick Rocker Handheld Electronic").
There are a little amount of buttons :
- Feedrate + / -
- SpindleSPeed +/-
- JogRate+/-
- Emergency stop
- Cycle Start
- Cycle Stop
- Spindle On/Off
- Rewing
- Single BLKC
- Origin
- And a rocker with 6 axis moves.
It's an USB HID keyboard device, delivering shortcuts for Mach3 US default screenset. Unfortunately, it doens not completely works on 2010, since somes defaut kb shortcuts have been modified. There's no way to change the shortcuts on the device itself.
Using Screen4 (http://www.machsupport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Screen4.zip ), launched in WinXP compatibility mode on a Windows 11 full HD laptop, i've been able to change the shortcuts of most of functions and make it works with 2010.
However, i could not figure how to implement Spindle Feed Override + / -, and Feed Rate Override +/- since there's no direct shortcuts in the screenset. Any tips for doing it?
Sincerely
Jean-Philippe CIVADE
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I would add some small invisible (transparent) buttons somewhere on the screen where no you normally wouldn't click them, and add shortcuts to the buttons.
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Thank you Ger! I'm going to investigate...
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Hi,
I've put offscreen 4 image buttons, setup as folllowing :
Feed- OEM Code 109 (hot key 121)
Feed+ OEM code 108 (hot key 122)
Speed- OEM Code 164 (hot key 109)
Speed+ OEM Code 163 (hot key 107)
Oemcodes have been took from mach3 stock screen with screen4.Exe.
And the magic happened! It works fine.
I've attached the 1024x768 and full HD patched french screenset.
Again, thanks Ger.
Cheers JPC
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Hello everyone,
I have purchased screenset 2010 and it works very well, for the moment, with a Chinese XHC MK4 Ethernet card.
It is necessary, of course, to change the macros for the Chinese card, as it is explained and proposed by the developer.
Thanks
eveb
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Wondering if anyone can help, I'm using 2010 screenset. When I go the auto zero the machine probes my non fixed probe x2 and then moves to my fixed probe but only probes it the one one time. It used to work perfectly and I would get the odd time it would do this but now it happens more and more. Any ideas?
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When it probes it one time, is it finished, or is there an error message? If it's finished, then your probe input is probably triggering twice due to noise.
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Thanks for the reply. It just probes it once, retracts and then pauses and continues like it has carried out the second probe, but the probe doesn't actuate in mach 3. I'll have to look into noise issues I guess ?
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If it continues, then that usually means the macro finished, which means it triggered twice. When noise triggers the input, it usually happens so fast you don't see it.