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We all make mistakes.
« on: September 27, 2014, 04:42:36 AM »


It all became pretty obvious once I thought about it but at the time it was something I did not consider.
I was driving a domestic sewing machine with a steel reinforced, T5, synchropower, timing belt. I set the correct belt tension and the driven load was well within the belt manufacturer’s specification. What I, rather stupidly, failed to consider was that the driven mass increases exponentially with acceleration.
At 300 rpm and with an acceleration, from stationary, of 0.6G’s everything was just fine but in the quest for speed I increased the acceleration to 0.8G’s and then the belt started to stretch.
In the interest of science I re-adjusted the belt tension a number of times and it continued to stretch until such time as the teeth pitch failed to match those of the pulleys.
Basically, with this type of belt the steel reinforcement is helically wound during manufacture and there is no real bond between the wire and the polyurethane so what started out at say 11 complete turns of the wire (within the belt) soon became 10.8 complete turns as the polyurethane stretched.

What I have learnt – I choose the wrong type of belt for the intended application.  :'(

Yet more knowledge to file away in my repository.  ;D

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Re: We all make mistakes.
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 11:39:55 AM »
 ;D  You just need the right calculator Tweakie. It is amazing how the simplest things can quickly become quite complicated when you add a little acceleration or deceleration.
;D If you could see the things I have in my head, you would be laughing too. ;D

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2014, 02:02:02 AM »
Hi Brett,

Many thanks for the info - I have now chosen wider pulleys, slightly larger in diameter (still maintaining the 1.8 : 1 ratio) and a belt that would drive a Harley.  :)

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Re: We all make mistakes.
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2014, 08:18:34 PM »
I'll be darned. Ya learn something new every day. Thanks for sharing that one Tweaks!
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 02:09:55 AM »
Hi Sam,

Nice to see you around - where have you been hiding ??

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 11:18:18 AM »
HIYA TWeekie, What you need is a Kevlar cored belt(Gates) they do not stretch under load as the kevlar core is cast into the structure of the belt.

(:-) TP

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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 11:59:53 AM »
Thanks Terry - all suggestions gratefully received.

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 05:15:18 PM »
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where have you been hiding
Yeah, I've been MIA for a bit. Been kinda super busy lately. Quit a job of 14 years, started building a new house, and shop, been busy in my current shop, started a new job, the list goes on. Maybe it will slow down a bit come winter. New shop is not a monster by any means, but it should hold enough equipment into the foreseeable future. At least I can fit a machine thru the door on this shop.
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