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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: edvaness on May 25, 2008, 01:54:57 AM
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I have a excello vert mill which I want to retrofit and run on Mach 3. My questions are- I have Baldor servodrive-um4-100-2 and 3 Baldor dc brush type 40 in lb motors. Will these work with Mach? If not the servo drive, what would I need? also what breaker board? How about a wiring schematic ?
I recently retrofit-ed a Yamazen mill with the Ajax control which works fine, but should for the 4k it cost me. >:( It cannot read a loaded g code program that has any subs. That's a $1,5OO option from Ajax, along with all their other options The conversation part of is is fine, but mirror and scale is another option along with text. I want to set up the Excello with Mach, . From what Ive been reading on this forum it sounds like the best deal for my application. Thanks in advance, and hope someone can answer my questions
Ed V from Whitelaw Wi.
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Just had a quick look and it seems your drives are analogue, this means they accept +-10V for control of the motor, Mach needs drives that can accept Step/Direction. You can get Analogue to Step/Dir convertors but dont have any real experience with them so cant say how good/bad they are.
What voltage and current are your motors?
Hood
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the motors are the ones used with the drive I have. 650 oz. in. Max volts 150. max current 13.0 a-Peak 55 a. with 500L encoder.
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Will my servo motors work with Gecko g340 drives, and if so what breaker board should I use? Any help here will be deeply appreciated.
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Sorry meant to reply earlier but just been a hectic day at the workshop.
Geckos may run your motors but you will be limited on speed and may even have problems with hard accelerations as the peak is a lot higher than I would think the Geckos would take so you may get overcurrent trips.
Not sure what speed your motors are but if they are 3000RPM then with the max the Geckos can run you will only get 1600RPM.
If you can settle for that speed then it would be better emailing Gecko just to make sure they think they will be ok.
Another option is the CNC Teknix drives, they are a bit higher on the current but I think they are the same voltage.
Another option would be the Rutex drives, heard a lot of good and also a lot of bad about them but as I have never used them I cant say for sure.
There are also viper drives that may work.
First thing I would say is email Mariss at Gecko and see what he says.
For Breakouts then you have lots of choices, my experience is with the PMDX 122 from www.pmdx.com and the Acustep from cncbuildingbloacks.com. I use both of these on my mills and lathes and they are both excellent. No experience of others so cant comment.
Hood
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THANKS Hood, you sound like a pretty smart guy. I sent an e-mail to Gecko, and will wait for a reply.
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Just goes to show how
THANKS Hood, you sound like a pretty smart guy. I sent an e-mail to Gecko, and will wait for a reply.
May I suggest you go for a hearing checkup then :D
Hood
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After surfin this forum, I've seen Hoods name quite a bit, and would say the forum wouldn't be what it is without him.
Thanks again , and will keep you posted on my findings
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One other thing you could try is email CNCTeknix and see if they would sell the top board of their Tek10 drive seperately. The top board can be used as a Step/Dir to analogue converter and so could be used with your original drives. I think I remember seeing in the pdf for your drive specs that they could be set for current or torque modes so I am sure they would work.
When I was first starting my lathe retrofit I tried lots of things and ended up with two blown Tek10 drives (Entirely my fault as I was trying to drive huge DC motors) I then picked up some AC motors and drives but they were analogue output drives. I tried the Tek10 Top boards and although never actually powered a motor with them I hooked up an encoder and watched the output voltage change as I moved the encoder one way and the other so it looked like they would work perfectly. I however picked up some better AC Drives that accepted Step/Dir so went no furher down that road.
Hood
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Hood, Stiil waiting for e-mail replys from Gecko and cncteknix. have you had any experiance or heard anything good about EMC2?
Ed VanEss.
P.S. I'm a 68 year old retired machinest/tool and diemaker/engineer. I've been in this business since the early 60s. no DROs no dial calipers. used a lot of note pads .
Don't know much about electronics. But I did did a retroft using Ajax, which works fine , but doesn't have all the options. I have 2 engine lathes , a 18" x 70" and a 15" x 50",
3 verticle mills, one is cnc, and 1 old 1918 model Kempsmith horizontal mill , plus lots of tooling.
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No experience with EMC, did look at it when I was starting out with my first retrofit but it seemed too daunting for a beginner and the features were nothing like Mach had at the time, also I would have had to learn Linux. Mach has moved on a long long way since then so I have no doubt that EMC has as well.
Hood
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Still haven't heard from teknex, so I'll order 3 gecko 340 and a pmx122 board. Whats the biggest machine you have running on mach 3?
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Strange, I know I havent contacted Teknix for a long time but they were always very good with the support in the past :(
I have a 3tonne (6600lb) Lathe running on Mach, it has a swing of 520mm over the beds, 290mm over the saddle, spindle bore of 75mm with a length between centres of 1000mm. Its load capacity is 290mm DIa and 500Kg (1100lb) between centres and 520mm dia 250Kg (550lbs) in chuck alone.
I also have a Bridgeport CNC mill which weighs in about 1.5Tonne (3300lb) and I am in the middle of doing another mill, a Beaver which is over 2Tonne(4400lb)
Hood
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if your servo drives are fine then use a controller capable of analogue output ( + - 10v dc),
to drive the origional Baldor servo boards or alternatively you could also easily take a pwm step directon output and convert it to analogue
or concider looking at a Pixie http://www.skyko.com/products/ ( although they now note the have been witdrawn as a product
you may still catch a few from stock etc )
or http://www.Dynomotion.com kmotion controller which gives you the benifit of USB
Dave
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Hello Ed
Just reading through your post i have a retrofitted a lagun mill with Geckos the motor's are servo type 120 volt i am running the geckos at a reduced voltage right now which is 55 Volts the motor's and the mill work just fine my plan for the future is to change out the power supply to 75-80 volt unit don't know that the mill realy needs it though good luck with your project.
Dennis
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Hood, I did hear from teknix- They were gone to a trade show, but they are working on a converter. They will get back to me in a week.
But I did order 3 gecko 340 drives and a pmdx 122 board.
OK- If the Gecko 340 is rated for 80 volts dc, and my transformer is putting out 100v dc, must I drop it to 80v , and how?
Thanks again .
Ed VanEss
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Yes you have to drop the voltage, 80V is a max for the Geckos, going over that will risk blowing the drives. There may be other tappings on your transformer so that you can select lower output voltages or there may even be tappings on the Input side for higher voltages than you are using, either may drop the output. If your transformer cant be tapped for lower output then you would need to get another transformer to drop its output down to a voltage you required, this however would be a waste of time as you would now have two transformers to do one transformers job, so you would be as well taking out the original one and replacing it with a new one. You have to remember also that the AC voltage output of the transformer will have to be a lot lower than the voltage you require, once rectified and smoothed the DC voltage will be 1.4 times (approx) greater than the AC transformer output.
Hood
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Thanks Hood,
So I need a transformer that puts out between 50-55 volts ac . before the capacitor. Correct?
Thanks again.
Ed V
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Yes thats correct.
Toroidal transformers are nice and fairly cheap . Good thing about toroidals are you can add or remove a few turns to get the voltage you require if its not quite right, also they tend to put out a lot less noise than a traditional type transformer and usually take up less room.
Hood
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Will this work? I have a 220 v to 70 v transformer. If I put in 120v -I get 38.9v out x 1.4 would give me approx 54v dc. On a previous post, Dennis is running on 55 v.
I also checked a nother 220 v trans with 120V in I get 61.4 v out x 1,4 would be approx 85.9v dc = to much. How does this sound? [ didn't get my hearing checked yet} :D
Thanks again. My other machine is running 150 v servos on 113 v dc and works fine.
Ed V.
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Wiith the 54v and if the motors are 3000RPM@150V (I think thats what they were) then you will get just over 1000RPM, 1:1 gearing with 0.200 ballscrew will give you about 200IPM. If you can live with that then yes it should be ok. Another thing to bear in mind is whether the transformer youhave is suitably rated for the current you will draw.
I dont think I would risk going over the 80V, I think I have seen some guys go as high as 90V with the stepper drives from Gecko but I wouldnt expect to get any replacements from Geckodrive if they go pop :D
Hood
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Hood, thanks for all the input. No, i wouldn't go over 80v. I'll hook up the 54, and run a servo and see what kind of draw I get. I hooked up a small battery charger to The y axis and on 6v it ran about 10" i pm.
Thanks again, and I'm sure this won't be my last time on here.
Ed V.
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Hood, I got my 340 greckos and my pmdx board. I also ordered a mod io from Homman , as I want to install some manual switchs.
My question is, is there any way on Mach,when running a program , to do a tool check,or z home, and return to the last line in a program ?
I can do that on my other mill,but don't see how to do it on Mach.
Thanks
Ed V
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Not sure what you are really meaning, but for example if you do a feedhold you can jog anywhere you want and the when you press start it will move back to the last line and continue.
Hood
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i am using the same Baldor drives ( Tsnm) types i presume ,
using a Kmotion Controller from http://www.dynamotion.com
Dave
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Think you better check your link Dave ;)
Hood
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ha ha ha , yep my fault , my human interface devices are faulty somewhere
here's the correct link for anyone interested
http://www.dynomotion.com
Dave
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Dave are you using that with the Mach Plugin or are you using their control software?
Hood
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Hood ,
we are using Both with the mach3 plug in and their own software ,
we are working with them as their Uk /European Distributor
Dave
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Good to hear that the UK is finally getting some CNC hardware :)
Hood
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Hood, Yes ,thats what I meant. My other machine I just hit the tool check button,without feedhold.
Thanks again.
Ed V
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Hood,
Another question. How do you get anywork done in your shop, when your answering everyones questions in this forum? ;D
Ed V
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I think he has CLONED himself....There HAS to be more than 1 of him ! :D He helps EVERYWHERE ! :D
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Hood,
Another question. How do you get anywork done in your shop, when your answering everyones questions in this forum? ;D
Ed V
No mystery to that, I found this great thing called Mach that does my work for me ;)
Hood
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say what you want it to do, exactly step by step.........
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Helping Hand Hood,
Been working on my machine, enclosed a couple pics. my PMDX, Geckos, and modbus are all mounted on a 16" long alum heatsink with 3 - 12v fans behind.
My question is the encoder wiring. Gecko needs the 5v, 0v, A,B. MY ENCODERS have A-A/-B-B/-Z-Z/ 0v-5v.
What do I do with A/-B/-Z/ ? :-\ SHIELDED CABLES- ground on 1 end. Which end is best. Can't find any info on this anywhere,and I figured you be the man.
THANKS AGAIN. I couldn't do it without your help, :D and I'm sure I'll be back.
Ed VanEss
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Some drives accept differential encoder signals but as you say the Geckos dont so you just leave the A- B- and Z- unconnected at the drive end, best to heat shrink or tape them up so no accidents happen ;) . For the shielding you want to connect that at the control end, also try and connect all shielding to one point in your control cabinet rather than having them connected all over the place which can cause problems I believe.
Very tidy wiring BTW and like the look of your control panel, excellent work :)
Hood
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Hood,
Many Thanks again. Its 1:00 am in the morning here. Do you stay up all night too,helping dummies like me?
What time is it by you? :o
Ed V.
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Nah, its 7:30am here, you guys are just a bit behind the times :D
Hood
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The good old U.S.A. behind times ?? ;D WELL, you got that right, and it's not getting any better >:(
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Hood,
Hope you don't mind,but it appears you know more about everyones problems on these forums
then anyone, thats why I'm here.
I have my PDMX bob and Gecko 340s wired up. I left all jumpers in the default positions.
When I turn the machine on , all gecko fault leds come on and stay on. :-\ They will go off when
I hit my manual e-stop.
ED V
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Hi, ED
When you apply power to your Gecko's, It's normal to see the Fault led lit, You need to re-set them after power on.
If this is the first time you've powered them up, There is some testing you need to do, Read over there manual first.
Hears a link to the manual https://www.geckodrive.com/upload/G340-REV-7-Manual.pdf
Tell us, Have you connected the Err/Reset terminal up at this time, It's used to reset/stop/fault the drive and there are several ways you can connect it.
Llet us now how you have it wired so-far.
Hood should be up soon.
Chip
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THANKS CHIP,
Your up late. No, don't have any thing wired on the err terminal. The instructions aren't to clear to me.
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ok, I must put a jumper between 5 & 7. ? Will try that tomorrow.
I can't even spell lektrichin.
i'll be back.
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Hi, ED
Don't just start hooking this Stuff Up, It Can Get Scary, Some slow step's Now, Please !!!
Do you have the encoders wired up, Verify the A B signal's at the Geckos are good, Move the axises to mid point if there hooked up.
Do the Drives "One At A TIME". Gecko usually sets the adjustment pot's to mid point, Probably a good starting point.
The Err/Reset, If Grounded will hold the drive in Fault/Inhibit/No motion, It needs 5 volt to reset the drive (Just long enough to Re-set Fault Led).
If your encoders aren't working properly , Be Prepared to Turn The Power Off, Servo may run Away.
If the Servo Jumps and Faults, The encoder A,B's are Backwards (In dis-agreement with the Motor Polarity/ Direction).
You can swap the A B's Around or Motor Polarity, "Just not Both".
If your Lucky, It will just Reset and Hold Steady.
Don't let the Drives or Servos get to Hot, The Adjustment's Limit, Dampen and Gain are as follows, More or Less.
Limit, Sets the max current to the motor.
Gain, Sets the initial motor current (bottom of the torque curve/holding current/at rest Temperature),
Dampen, Set's the Servo motor response to movement, (Over/Under Shoot of Motor to Encoder Position/Follow Up/Error's in Commanded Position).
Gain and Dampening, It's a Balancing Act, Not set properly, You'll get allot of Opinion's on this.
If the Gain is to high the motor may/will vibrate and needs more dampening.
If the Dampening is to high/Low the motor won't follow it's commanded position moves.
A Scope is nice, Then you can see what's going on, Re-Read the Manual.
Don't get in a Hurry, Just some basics Hear.
Just a Start, Chip
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Chip.
Thanks again, I'll go through your info, "carefully" and see what happens. I have my manual e-stop wired through
a latch relay which cuts the servo power, but I see the Gecko instructions say not to run servo power through a switch.
The way I have it wired through a relay acts as a switch. This is wrong ??? >:(
Another thing I don't like in the Geckos is- wire terminals for power are to small. Also You must remove the Gecko
from the heat sink plate tp remove the cover.{att Marriss}
Gainsville Home of Big Daddy Don Gartlits and the Swamprat. Seen him up here 50 years ago when he was a youngster.
I recently bought an Oscilliscope off e bay, but of course , probes not included. :(
Thanks again Chip.
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Hi, ED
I think they would prefer the power off switch/relay on the AC side of the power supply.
Don Gartlits, That's a name I remember also, Good old day's.
You can get it pretty close with out the scope.
Chip
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Chip,
I'll change the relay to the ac side of the transformer. I'm aso runing my ac for the spindle motor starters threw the same relay.
I also can'tfind the test points on the drive. It doesn't look the the manual pic. I'll post a pic of mine.
Thanks again Chip
Ed V.
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Chip
heres a pic of my gecko. test points ??
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Looks like they are lower right, two wire loops?
Hood
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Hood,
OK, thats what i thought, but was'nt sure. the instuctions show "under multipler board" but there's nothing there.
Thanks
Ed V
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You probably have an earlier revision, the manuals say for Rev 7. Maybe Gecko can supply an older manual for you if that is the case.
Hood
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Hood, Chip,
I found this pdf. This ones like mine. ;)
Thanks to you both, I'LL now carry on.
Ed V,
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Keep us updated :)
Hood
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Hi, ED
Yes, Updates.
Chip
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Hood, Chip
Will do - right till the end.
I just did the test points on the X and got my volt readings just like the instruction say.
Sometimes you just have to walk away and take a break [for a few days] :D
My last machine took over a year to complete. Monday I have a job coming in. A 38 ford pickup street rod.
Wants a tilt front end. Thats the kind of stuff I do.
Later Guys.
Thanks again
I will be back.
Ed V
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Hi,
reading back about the estop,I would put it on the DC side of the PSU because if you have decent size capacitors the motors
will run on after you estop-just a thought.
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Hi Comet,
Exactly, my thoughts, but according to Gecko instructions, not to switch dc power to drives.
Don't know why, but thats where e-stop is on my other machine.
Thanks for your input, I need all I can get.
Ed V.
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This is off Gecko instructions
"STEP 2: POWER SUPPLY HOOK-UP
CAUTION! Never put a switch on the DC side of the power supply! This will damage, if not destroy, your drive!" >:(
So, whats the best way to e-stop ? I want my e-stop to kill all servo and spindle power.
Ed V
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Hi, Ed
In your E-Stop setup, You can add a latching relay,(4 pol double throw relay) to Re-set the Gecko's and on E-Stop it Gnd's the Err/Rst pin's.
With your E-Stop in "Normal State", This Relay is wired to On/Closed, The Common Term's, One to each Gecko Err/Rst pin, NC's to Gnd and NO's to Blocking Diodes to a NO Push Button with 5 volt's on the other terminal, (Push & hold till the Drives Reset).
This allows all drives to be re-set only when in non E-Stop mode.
The 4th pol of the relay can be wired to Mach to E-stop Mach's Reset Button if the Maine E-Stop is Pushed
If you wire in an additional Relay (small 5 volt) contact's wired into this 4 pol Relays Coil, Mach can control the Drives re-set also.
With some Zener Diode's, Should be able to Halt Mach with a single drive faults also.
I've got a diag. around hear somewhere, Looking for It.
Hope this makes some sense, Chip
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Hood, Chip, Comet,
After a little surfing on some other forums I found this info. This helps to clear up my e-stop questions. :D
Cutting the power between the capacitor and the Gecko stepper controllers was something that I
suggested a little while ago; however, it is NOT a good idea. Although it would immediately stop the
stepper motors, it would also cause extremely high currents to flow through the Gecko (several hundred
amps). Doing that repeatedly would destroy the Gecko stepper controllers. >:(
Mariss suggest cutting the power to the break-out board or opening the circuit that
provides step pulses to the Gecko. Opening the circuit that provides step pulses would require having a
contactor or other circuitry with at least four circuits.
Thanks Guys.
This forum Rocks
Ed V
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heres a pic of the heat sink I have my drives mounted on.
Its 4" wide x 16" long with 3- 12v fans. I believe in keeping electronics cool. ;D
theres a total of 7 fans in my enclosure. this includes the ones in the power supplys.
Hope it all works. MORE LATER. Questions , that is. ???
Ed V.
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nice :)
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Looks good Ed. Maybe its the heat comeing off those flames in the background of the picture causing a problem. ;D
Brett
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LOL , :D Those flames are on a Hyster fork lift , that I'm also restoring.
Too many projects.
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LOL, Your the only guy I know other than my self sick enough to flame a Hyster. LOL
Brett
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NICE flames, whats under that scoop?
heres some more hyster pics . Billet dash 3/4 " alum plate -tilt wheel.
needs to be polished yet. motors a 4 cyl continental. all new guts.
Will be the first show Hyster. LOL :D
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Those flames are on a friends 73 Camaro I painted for him a while back. It has a little 355. :) Now, thanks to you, I have to paint my Hyster too. LOL
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Oh no, Bretts found a relation :D
Hood
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Hey Hood,
Is that your link on Bretts web page?
Ed
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Hyster,
Think we'll have to start a new forum. :D
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Hey Hood,
Is that your link on Bretts web page?
Ed
possibly, will have to look.
Hood
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yes thats mine I am afraid.
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Hood, looks interesting.
I like it.
So, who's got the relation with Brett? ;D
Looks like a pretty heavy z screw on that verticle.
Ed
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Not guilty, you dont see any yellow vehicles especially ones with flames :D
Yes, probably a bit overkill but was just what I had at the time, that clapped out mill has long gone and the Boss Series 1 will have to go as well I suppose when I get the Beaver Mill done, just dont have room for both :(
Hood
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Thats always been a problem. Never enough room for all our stuff. :(
As far as yellow and flames--Just don't color me pink.
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:)
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yes thats mine I am afraid.
Ed, don't let Hood tell you one. He was ecstatic when I added a link to his site. ::) He felt he had a chance at fame and fortune when I did. ;D
BTW, I wouldn't pick on the color pink too much around Hood. I think it's his favorite. ;D
Brett
I couldn't resist posting this picture I found. Hood looks a lot like this. ;)
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HOLY ********* :D
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Sorry Hood, I thought only girls liked pink.
BTW-Nice picture. :o
I suppose I won't get your help anymore. ;D
BACK to business. I got my motors tuned where they're holding steady,but can't get them to move yet.
I've got the pin # 2-3 for X 4-5 for Y , but according to my step and direction they should be 3-2. and 5-4. I tried both ways
but no luck yet.
I've got a couple mpgs I took off some other machines that have 8 wires. Marked 6 volts, but the machines didn't have 6 volts. only 5v 12v and 24.
Anyone familiar with these? Came off Allen Bradley Bandit control.
Ed
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Brett
Hope you got your mothers permission to post her pic on a public forum.
Hood
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I thought it was his sister. :D
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BACK to business. I got my motors tuned where they're holding steady,but can't get them to move yet.
I've got the pin # 2-3 for X 4-5 for Y , but according to my step and direction they should be 3-2. and 5-4. I tried both ways
but no luck yet.
Not sure what you are meaning, cant have both, its either 2-3 or 3-2 . Actually now I know you are related to Brett I suppose anything is possible.
I've got a couple mpgs I took off some other machines that have 8 wires. Marked 6 volts, but the machines didn't have 6 volts. only 5v 12v and 24.
Anyone familiar with these? Came off Allen Bradley Bandit control.
Ed
They will likely be 5v but not sure if they will be what you are looking for as I wouldnt expect any more than 6wires on a differential encoder so 8 wires is making me think its not a normal square wave encoder. Got any part numbers?
Hood
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I'll check encoder # tomorrow.or post a pic.
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Brett
Hope you got your mothers permission to post her pic on a public forum.
Hood
I thought it was his sister.
I knew you would have a good comeback Hood. Ed's wasn't too bad either. ;D
Brett
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Hood, Brother Brett, and all other relatives, ;)
Enclosed pics of Excello model 602 machine I'm working on.It's one of a few verticles of this size
that has a full 6" travel on Z axis./ with #40 taper. My big Yamazen has only 5".
The other pics are the mpg which was used with the servos I'm using. 8 wires.any knowledge about this mpg ?
I have the X and Y motors tuned and stable. no oscilation, and cannot turn by hand with power on. On ports and pins
I put in X-pin 2-3. Ypin 3-4. No movement. I then reversed pin # to X 3-2 Y 4-3. still no movement.
Read thru Gecko instructions 20 times, and still is Greek to me. Wish they had one in English for dummies. :D
Step 5 reads
"Set the STEP pulse generator to about 40 pulses per second and set the DIRECTION output to clockwise (logical “1”)."
Wheres the Step pulse generator?? ???
Thanks all
Ed V
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Sorry,
Last post , I meant Y pin 4-5 not 3-4.
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Step Gen is on Diagnostics page in Mach.
The mill I am doing at the moment has Z travel 6inch, 40 taper, quill Dia 4 inch , X travel 32 inch , Y travel 16 inch , knee 17inch.
Cant find any info on your encoder yet, will keep searching and let you know if I find anything. Only reason I can see for 8 wires is it has an Index pulse but why it would have that on a handwheel I dont know :(
Hood
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Should have said its called Servo Frequency Generator
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Hood, Brother Brett, and all other relatives,
;D
I've never seen a hand wheel like that either Ed. New ones can be found cheap. Have a look at CNC4PC and Homan designs web sites. I wonder what is under the board on that one. All you need is a +V, ground, A and B channels.
Brett
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I have a funny feeling it may not be a TTL encoder and that is what the ciruit is for to turn it into ttl. How many wires connect to the 9 pin D?
Hood
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6 WIRES in the cable that plugs in to it -3 blk. 1 red 1 grn 1 wht.
I ALWAYS GET THE WIERD S---.. you should see my wife. :o
When I get that far, I'LL order one from Peter.
Thanks
Ed
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Take it the wife doesnt come near the computer LOL
6 wires are more like it, A+ A- B+ B- 5V 0V
All you need to do now is work out which is the 5v and which is the 0v :D
Another option you could have if you blow it up trying to discover the correct 5V wire is to hack away the crap and fit a rotary encoder to it, should be able to get one cheap enough on eBay.
Hood
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:D ;D Hood, Brett, and everyone else who reads this forum,
I feel much better now. ;D Got the X and Y working really good now. :D
Had to change ports and pins to 3-2 for X , and 5-4 for Y. After tuning I got both X and Y to move
at 150 ipm, which I think is great for running these 100v brushed servos on only 54 volts. ;D
The Y was running in the wrong direction , so just un checked dir in ports and pins. Now its all good.
Will have to check travel with gage blocks yet. These servos are so quite , you hardly hear them run.
I'll take servos over steppers any day.
Haven't done the Z axis yet. been taking them apart and removing the tach commutator and brushes and replacing all
the cables.
Hood, no, the wife don't touch my computer, and I don't touch hers. I only have one on line,VISTA, >:( AND it does SUCK. and 3 more in the shop,
plus 2 spares. plus some extra parts.
Thanks to you guys and this forum for all your help, but , we'r not done yet.
And , I don't care what your favorite color is. :D
Thanks
Ed V.
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OH YA,
Also did a bunch of moves in MDI, and all worked well. :)
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:)
Brett
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Excellent, now go celebrate and paint some flames on the wife or something :D
Hood
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She has them tattooed on. They don't wash off :D
I told ya she was wierd.
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Hood
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She drives a Cadillac Hearse,and with the gas prices so high, I wish she would use the broom more often. ;D
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You think the gas prices are high in the USA, just think yourself lucky, we are nearly $11 for a gallon :(
Hood
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;D
You keep on and you'll be getting beat by the broom.
Brett
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;D
You keep on and you'll be getting beat by the broom.
Brett
And you Mr Redneck would probably enjoy that :D
Hood
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LOL, Whip me, I've been a bad boy............... ;D
Brett
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:D WHAT A GROUP :D LOL
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Played with it a bit today, ;D The Machine, what else. ;D Ran it thru a bolt hole circle and a circular pocket
without the Z axis.
Everything worked great, Still have to set up my homing and limits.Then comes the spindle.
Later
Ed
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Hood ,
Where do I set debounce , and what should it be set at?
Thanks
Ed
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Ideally debounce should be as low as possible, not sure what mine is, probably the default which I think is 500 as I dont think I ever set it.
You will get it from Config Tab then General config, its top right.
Hood
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Hi, Ed
It's on the Gen-Config page top right, It's setting can be from 0- 2000 or so mostly to weed-out spurious noise on Input's.
Maybe Hood is recovering from all the Abuse, B--r--e--t--t.....LOL.......?
Chip
Hood, I only live 5-6 hrs. from Brett let me Now, I have Duct-Tape
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Would take a lot more than duct tape to cover that huge orifice :D
Hood
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I could always send my wife down to see Brett. :D
I just checked debounce, its set at 0.
Thanks
Ed
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You hate her that much?
Hood
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Ed
It-ta-all, Take a Big Cast Iron Frying Pan, For Sure, But with one hand behind Her back, A Fare Fight.
Come-on Brett, Crawl out form under that Rock.
Chip
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Come-on Brett, Crawl out form under that Rock.
Chip
He works at the weekend, or should I say he goes to his place of employment, dont think he does much work :D
Hood
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Who would ever give him a job? :D No one else in that town? :D
Whoops , sorry Brett. Did I say that ?
Ed
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I think he is related to the Boss, in fact I think he is related to everyone in the town, sure I heard all these rednecks were all related if you know what I mean :D
Hood
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The boss is his sister, or is it his brother ? kinda hard to tell. :D :D
Ed
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Well think thats his cousin in the pic he posted the last day, also known to Brett as mom :D
Hood
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Hi, Ed
Your having too much Fun, E-----d, Back to work on your Mill.
Chip
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Hood;
when I click in program code, then click to edit, notepad doesn't open. It works on my other pc.
Also, when you do a conversational program and want to save it, how do you do that. can't find a "save as" anywhere. >:(
Thanks.
Ed
p.s. Hi Brett. hows the family? LARGE ?
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You dont need to clcik in the code window to edit and maybe that is the reason it wont edit, I am not sure, have never tried but will in a minute after I have replied. Now if only I was related to Brett I would be able to type faster as the extra three finger on each hand must come in very handy :D
To save a file you open to edit then it should open in notepad, clcik on file menu and save as.
Hood
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I just tried, it both ways works, :) on my pc, but not on machine, >:( Thats why I can't save as.
Brett, BTW, only types with one finger, his Pinky. :D
Ed
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Yes but he has 4 of them on each hand ;)
Try loading another screenset just in case that one is corrupt. If it is grap the one off your other computer and paste it into the Mach3 folder to overwrite it.
Hood
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Hood,
Thanks for the quick replys, But I, just can't help but wonder..
Do you have the internet on your machine ? ;D How do you get anything done?
Are you also related to Brett? Is he just a misplaced Scotsman ? or did you move over there from S.C.
just to get away from him ? :D
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Ed
You can set the editor in.
Chip
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Its 12:45 here now so I am not near my machines LOL, thinking about getting som esleep though ;)
Brett has tried to come over to Scotland for a visit but he was turned away because we dont allow just anyone in here :)
For your editing problem go to General config and make sure the path is typed correctly in the box. Could be you dont even have notepad on that computer or its a different location than the standard \Windows\Notepad.exe
Hood
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Ah Chip beat me to it LOL
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Brett, BTW, only types with one finger, his Pinky.
Ed, I never said that was my pinkie. ;)
Are you also related to Brett? Is he just a misplaced Scotsman ? or did you move over there from S.C.
just to get away from him ?
I think I can help clear this one for you Ed. Hood is not really a Scot. He is actually Scrotish. Those BTW are nothing like the Scots. The Scots are good hard working people. The Scrotes generally just hang around all day. They have a very short working career if at all and generally by the age of 40 there as useless as Christmas tree ornaments. Just more useless junk to have to store and work around maybe getting seen once a year if there lucky. Rest of the time so inanimate, just collecting dust. That's all. ;D
Brett
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LOL :D ,can't wait for Hoods comeback on that Brett. :D
BTW, Hood ,chip,Brett, Thanks for all your help.
I went out in the shop and checked the shop pc. couldn't edit there either.
I uninstalled mach, and installed v 3 ,and no luck there either. Only works on my office pc, which has Vista. :(
Simply amazing.
Now I'll go out and try what you said.
I've been surfing around other cnc forums, and shocked how many people get no replies to thier questions, But not this one.
With people like you guys. this forum should get The" GREATEST FORUM AWARD"
AND
Its really hilareous, LOL :D
Later guys
Ed
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Ed, I just got in form a hard days work regardless of what Hood thinks in his mind. Just breezing thru the post, do you have any program to edit in the format your trying to on your computer? Notepad, wordpad, ect. ? Both of those are installed with windows I do believe BTW.
Brett
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OK-W orks now. the reason being ,I'm using reformated hard drives, and have everything on E, not C.
Just had to browse over to E/notepad. Good to go . :D
Thanks again
Ed
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::)
;D
Brett
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Special Thanks to all those scrotish, pink,pinky , flamelovin rednecks :D
Ed ;D
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No problem Ed. I was wrong once too I think but I keep hopeing I can hold out and Hood will prove him self to be a decent fellow. ;D
Brett
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Shhhhh, not to loud, I think hes sleeping now.
I was wrong once too, But only because I thought I was wrong, and I wasn't. :D
This post subject may go on record as the longest, with no problems solved,
Just kidding . I got a lots of help and knowledge here from the Best. ;)
Thanks to you all
Ed
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If I were ever to become a decent fellow like Brett I have given instructions for the good lady to shoot me, just couldn't stand the thought of spending the rest of my life being in that vegetative state, much better to be in the ground feeding the worms and flowers as at least that would be doing some good. ;)
Hood
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;D
Brett
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Whats the matter Brett? Speechless. :D
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Brett,
here ya go, don't burn yourself
Ed
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Hood, -( cc Brett)
I see you have a new profile pic, and so do I. BUT,
I didn't change mine, so was just wondering, who would do that?
Ed v.
p.s. Sorry,but I don't have any other questions. YET.
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Ah well looks like scrote has been up to his tricks, that was my old avatar that was given to me by an ex member of the forum. Woke up this morning and I am a dancing mario and now you are old me LOL
Hood
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;D
Brett
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Dancing Mario ? ? ?
I thought it was the Police "Dash Cam" of Brett's last DUI !
RC
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;D :o ;D :-*
Brett
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:D LOL, now what ever
made me think it was one of you two ? :D
QUESTION
btw, what type of relay do you use to start your spindle ? solid state to trip a bigger relay?
I have 24v relays to start spindle, but will need less volt relay for mach to trigger them.
thanks guys ,and good to find good people with a sense of humor.
LOL :D
Ed
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Ed, when did the wife start smoking? ;D
My spindle on the lathe is controlled by a contactor with a 24v coil and I use a PLC to operate that via ModBus. You could use any kind of relay that operates from 5v, solid state are more expensive but I suppose they may last longer.
Hood
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OH, SO YOU RECOGNIZED HER? :D
You didn't know I married Bretts sister. :D
Can't I just use pin 17 through my PMDX To a 5v relay?
Why when I go to a wizard page , I can not exit. I have to close mach and restart ?
Ed
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Well I kind of thought that, certainly a strong family resemblace ;)
The PMDX 122 (That what you have? ) has a relay on it, you could use that to switch another relay or I suppose even switch the spindle itself if the current and voltage are within specs of the relay. Personally I wouldnt switch directly as it would mean your AC would be right at the PMDX and it introduces possibilities of noise. If you dont have a contactor then using a larger relay switched by the PMDX one would be a decent solution, think I would go higher on the coil voltage than 5V as again noise is less of an issue but that will depend on your machine and whether you already have 24V. My lathe and the mill I am doing at the moment have 24V on all of the control side of things such as limits.
Wizards should go back to the main Mach page when you press the Exit (return to mach in some) Sometimes they can take aa while to go back depending on the macro they use and how much its calculating however it shouldnt be any more than a few seconds. Which wizards are you havng problems with and which version of Mach are you using.
Hood
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Hood,
using v 2.63. tried a couple different wizards. rec pocket cir pocket. won't exit. I have v 3. on machine and that one works.
My motor starter relays are 110v which I was going to trigger with the 24 v relay which would be triggered by a lower volt relay.
I suppose I could tigger the 24 v relay through the pmdx relay, but what if I want reverse? ??? ???
Going to bed now with Bretts sister. Gotta get some more bags. she keeps burning holes through them. ;D
Thanks
Ed
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;D
Ed, Have a look at opto 22s site. You can get an opto relay that will switch 30 amps operated by 5V for about $30.00 I think and it is opto isolated.
Brett
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Finally got my z axis working right. When in MDI- g0z1.000 , would only move .125. :-[
did more motor tuning backed off on accel, and changed steps to 4000.
working good now. :D homing and limits coming up now.Have to make some trippers to mount on table.
Bretts sister says UGHHHHHHH- UGHHHHHHHH ;D
Ed
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Bretts sister says UGHHHHHHH- UGHHHHHHHH ;D
Ed
wow, she is coming on leaps and bounds with her language skills, must be that intensive 10 week course you sent her on ;D
Good news on your Z axis :)
Hood
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Well, let no man doubt just how far the hand of Hood has reached in this world. We pick at each other a lot but he truly is a great guy. So great in fact he has touched many across the globe no doubt. Any man doubting this should cast all doubt aside right now as I have solid proof of it. I caught a picture of one of Hoods "Friends" while shopping for school supplies for the kids at a neighboring town. What a guy! Spreading his love for man all over the world. ;D
Brett
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;D
I think I would rather be friends with the young thing in the shorts ;)
Hood
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;D I'm with you Hood. :P :P :P
Ed
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Having problems homing. :( have all limits hooked up in series. Port 1 pin 11 . ??? ???Mach instructions say pin 10.???
PMDX says pin 11. Also have auto limit override checked in settings. When I ref all home, Z goes up. trips limit, and thats it.
I'm missing something , but what ??? . Trying to keep Bretts Sister from getting all tangled up in all the wires is another task. ;D
I'm done for today. I'll keep her in her cage tomorrow and try again. ;D
Later.
Ed
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Yes thats where Brett is best kept as well ;D
Sounds like noise, best to have shielded cable properly grounded at the control end, if you do then you probably need better switches. Setting your debounce to 2000 should determine if this is the case, if it helps then lower until it stops working again.
Hood
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Amended picture attached.........
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How on earth did you know that Benadict?
Hood
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:D lol :D
Pythagoras-- Is this a greek word for Brett? or Redneck? ;D
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:D lol :D
Pythagoras-- Is this a greek word for Brett? or Redneck? ;D
No its the Ozzy for gallah ;D
Hood
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No comments on the girls amended butt.
No its not Brett, Robin ( still laughing at his gay name) knows who it is. :)
I guess admin (Brett) should clean up this thread after we stop laughing at Hoods real name.
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:D
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You are right, Robin is not the best of names but I have lived with it for 42 years now so I am used to it. However things would have been different if they had decided to call me Benadict, I would have made sure the cord was wrapped tightly round my neck as I popped into the world, no way I could have survived 42 years called that ;D
Hood
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Rob__, I mean, HOOD, ;D
Got homing and limits, and soft limits working now. Was just a matter of removing a pin # in e-stop.
I'm using shielded cables everywhere, and none run along any power cables. all are grounded on the heatsink plate.
Should'nt be picking up any noise. No debounce needed.
Wheres Brett been hiding? :D Haven't heard from him lately. :D
"Benadict"-- pretty close to" Brett", don't ya think ;D
And ,yes Pythagoras. The girls butt with my name, first thing I looked at. 8)
Ed
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Call me Robin if you wish, not many people do but there are a couple. Some of my customers call me it, usually followed by bast**d ;D
Benadict is yyneb or benny, he started this forum, he looks a bit like the guy from Judas Priest but he would rather he had been a member of ACDC ;)
Hood (or Robin or tosser or whatever you want :) )
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I'm here Ed, just trying to be a good boy and getting a good laugh from time to time. Looks like you'll be makeing chips soon. :)
PS, kiss my sister for me. ;D
Brett
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welcome back Brother Brett. ;D
As far as making chips, this will be a while yet.I wanted to fab a power draw bar, but after looking
at my spindle, it doesn't have a hole through it. will have to remove and do a deep drill. But, thats down the road yet.
Kiss your sister? You gotta be kidding? >:(
Later
Ed
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Kiss your sister? You gotta be kidding?
You say that now but I heard there were some tasteless movies of you 2 floating around on the internet. I can't post them here, but you know the ones I speak of. ;D
Brett
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LOL. :D what about the other ones with the whole family,
Just like ********* day at the ZOO. ;D
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Hood - Robin , I think we should call you" Hoodini ". :D
How you ever manage to be all over this forum everyday helping people, and still holding a job,
You just have to be a magician. Every post I read through, there you are.
Ed
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He's actually an Alien Ed..... or was that Bigfoot? ??? Nope, nope, Bigfoot has much more hair. Yup, has to be an alien. ;D
Brett
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Robin Hood.....Takes from the rich and gives to the poor.
The riches are from his own wealth of knowledge and he gives freely to those of us less fortunate.
Thank goodness !
RC
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You said it RC. You think I need to order a bunch of those shirts?
Brett
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order me a couple. ;D
Ed
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Brett, I'll take 1 shirt.....But just put the DUI Mario on it.
It's uncanny...I listen to old Eric Clapton tunes while on the forum and Mario keeps pretty good time with many of em'.
But after a while, my neck gets sore.
RC :D
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Help me Hoodini.
Had home, limits, soft limits all set up and working, and now soft limits won't work. ???
Didn't change anything, soft limits button won't even light up. :(
Was wondering if Brett got into my control, but didn't see any goofy pictures.
Ed
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Are you outwith the softlimits when yu try to enable them? Do you see a message in the ticker?
Post your xml and I will have a look.
Hood
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Hood, ;)
Heres what I have. Rebooted today. have soft limits set to 29.000 in X. I did REF ALL.
Jogged X +. IT WENT UP TO 33.000. my travel isn't that long. did ref all again, and was good.
Checked soft limits , and my z was at 5.5 . Yesterday I had it set at - 5.5. Changed it back to -(minus)
Now soft limits works. when making changes , must I go to config/ save settings?
Mach3 folder has a folder with xml backups. can these be deleted, except for the last one ?
Also enclosed my xml file if you'll look it over. and pic of my homing - limits-soft.
Thanks again,
Ed
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z = -5.25.
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Ed
Config is not saved until you shut Mach down, if you have a crash or anything then the old settings will still be there. You can use the save config option but sometimes it doesnt work, usually does but..... :D
Why you want to get rid of the old XML's?
Hood
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Hood,
Hood
Why you want to get rid of the old XML's?
Because I clicked save settings a few times when setting up, and now have a dozen backups.
If I click save settings, shouldn't they all be in the last save?
Ed
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Not sure when backups get written, to be honest I dont think I have ever looked inthe backup folder so dont know how many I have LOL
Yes Save Settings should save them but sometimes it doesnt seem to. Shutting Mach down and restarting will.
Hood
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Hood , :D
Bet you have a s--t load of backups. :D
"This directory is used to hold backups of your XMLs as you change them.
If you would like to use one of the backups simply change the files extention to .xml and place it into the Mach3 Directory."
Thank you
ArtSoft USA
This is what it reads in the folder.
Ed
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Yep, 326 backups but then again I have 116 xmls LOL
Hood
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I know for a fact it doesn't always save on a close and restart.
I had my Z set to home with the stop button. Closed Mach , and restarted. Stop would not home Z.
Checked the box and everything was unchecked. Checked boxes , and did a save settings, and now is good .
Well, I'll stop crying now, and check on Bretts sister. Kinda hard to see her in the dark, which is a good thing. ;D
Ed
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;D
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Any Who,
New problem. >:(
when jogging Y either way, servo motor turns approx 1/4 turn, hesitates, then goes.
Tried adjusting gain and dampening all over, and can't get it to go right. It was working fine,
but not now. Also went into tuning, and it just won't change. Do I need a really big hammer? ???
Frustrated, and the monkey knows it. :'(
Ed Again.
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No just tell it not only will Bretts sister come and have a talk with it but Brett will also come around, that should be much more effective than a hammer :)
Attach your xml and I will have a look.
Hood
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Ed, if backlash is enabled, disable it and see if it helps. Hood will get you fixed right up when he looks at the XML I'm sure.
Brett
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:D I am Sofa King We Todd Did :-[ and so is Britt (Bretts Sister) :-[
Had ball screw comp enabled in Y with .001 backlash. So, I guess ballscrew comp is useless (Britt) in Mach.
Problem solved. :D
Thanks guys
Later
Ed
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Hood,
Did you know Britt and Brett are twins ? ;D They are hard to tell apart, except Britt just
smokes cigarettes, and Brett is usually seen chewing on short cigars. Thats all he can find laying
around in the trailer park. Not even sure if they were all cigars. :o There are a lot of dogs running
around there
Hey Brett, Britt says, Hi Brett. Miss ya. xoxoxoxoxo :P
Ed
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LOL, poor Brett, working so cant reply.
Oh wait a minute should rephrase that, he is at his place of employment, should not have mentioned he was working, that would scare him if he had to do that :)
Hood
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Sorry guys, just got in form a long days work........... And yes Hood, it was work, but not to bad, just a lot of it. LOL
Ed, try these settings with backlash enabled and let me know how it does. In config., general config. (top center) set shuttle accel to .005 and in config., backlash set the speed to 200%, enable backlash and close then reopen Mach. Test your backlash before and after, should work a treat.
I wish I had more time to play but will make up for it next week. ;)
Tell Britt I said Duh Huh........ she'll know what to do. ;D
Brett
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Brother Brett, :D
I tryed with backlash enabled and without. Using both .001 and .002 in backlash
and nothing changed. any which way ends up with .001 backlash, but machine tuning was good.
It didnt jump around like a monkey in heat. :D ( I know what thats like)
One problem I do find is after ref all (with soft limits off) if I jog X to + limit (with soft limits on) ,dro reads 33.*********.
today it was 17.*********. Its actuall is suppose to be 29.000 with soft limits. If I ref all again it will be right (29.000)
Something not right there.Otherwise everything seems good.
Thanks again, but, when can I send your sister back? :'(
Ed
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Hey Ed,.....Ummmm......if you're done with her........ummmm....I'll give you my address......and ...ummmm...I'll even pay for the ticket.
SHE"S HOTTTTTT !
RC
As long as she don't pick her arse and throw s**t at me like the ones at the zoo.
And....Offer void if knocked-up.
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LOL
_ You gotta be really hard up. Any relation to Brett and Brett ;D
The local zoo don't even want her, and the Humane society won't even let her in the door
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She does really get along good with my dog.( Male German Shepard.)
Take a good look at the palm of your hand. Looks better than Britt,I bet. :D
But then again if you really want her, send me a big ventilated box, some chains, and a couple cartons of cigarettes.
LOL. I really thought Hood would like to give her a try, but would cost to much to ship.
Ed (monkey trainer)
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OH NO..Not for me.....For my Boss. I'm quitting next week. She's a going away present.
He found out that I was making homemade CNC parts from home and canned me.
I told him I learned how to retro a machine with Mach and this forum and he said I was full of s**t.
Also, while I'm "venting", I went to a local CNC shop and asked about working for them to gain some CNC experience. When asked about my prior CNC experience, I said none...except for Mach, this forum and 2 machines that I built myself.
They laughed me out of the place....almost literally !
Then, I happened upon an old acquaintance that worked for a small defence contractor. One thing led to another and lo and behold he asked if I could make some parts for him. One part in particular fit my homebrew machine to a "T". I made 1100 pieces for him. Then, word got back to the manager of the shop that I applied to. (He's the one I took the job from). He calls me back in for what I think is another interview, but instead, he chews my ass for stealing his work.
He then threatens to turn me in to the locals for all kind of business and tax violations.
No offense Brett, but Britt is really too good for him.
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Overloaded,
Where are you from.? anywhere near Wisconsin
I well know,this world has more than its share of accholes, and I met more than my share thru the years.
I had a job down in Miami in 2000-2001 as a vehicle dynamics engineer for a company owned by an Israli.We designed
a jeep- a cross between a jeep and a hummer. He had orders from Isral and South America. I designed the suspension and all
the tooling and fixtures to produce these jeeps.
He ran out of money and conned me into staying and setting up his new shop in Hialea( cuban section of Miami)
I stayed there from Jan -June and never got paid. I came back up here and a shop here begged me to work for him
The bank locked his doors and I got screwed again. RETIRMENT Time. Now I just do the jobs I want in my shop for CASH.
Later
Ed
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Born and raised in Maryland.....smack dab between Baltimore and Washington. As soon as I could, I retreated to Winchester VA. Then to the Wild Wonderful Hills of West Virginia. I like it here. Laid back. Can still shoot of of the porch. (rest on the washing machine) Just Kidding. HeHeHe. No really.....it's nice. But there are allways folks that try to knock ya down. No matter how hard you try. I love kids but am sort of glad that I don't have young'uns....I'd probably raise em' wrong, not being politically correct myself. I don't have much tolerance for ignorance and stupidity any more, even though I have done some ignorant and stupid things along the way.
Enuff of this snot n' tears s**t.
Back to COMEDY CENTRAL !
Regards,
RC
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C'mon guys, >:(
Nobody answered my question. Why do I have to do a"REF ALL" 2 times to get DRO. to read correct. ???
It doesn't do it all the time. but if I don't check it, some thing will messed up. But then thats the way my luck goes.
Ed
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OK,
I think I figured it out. After doing a "REF ALL", if I hit shift to rapid jog the X axis, the dro was way off.
I tried this a couple times. Then I did it all over again in slow jog, was ok. So I dropped my X velocity from 157 ipm to 150ipm.
Accel is 13.6. That seemed to fix it.
I'm also enclosing my xml, in case anyone wants to check it.
Thanks
Ed
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LOL :D
Forgot to attach my xml.
Here it is.
Ed
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Ed, you sorted now?
Brett
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Brett,
For now, yes.
Thanks for all your help, But, ;)
I'll be back.
Ed
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You better be back soon. No telling what Hood may post about you. LOL
Brett
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Ed looked at your xml but couldnt get it to do what you had happening, maybe Britts magnetic personality isnt strong enough to reach over the atlantic to affect things here ;)
Hood
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Brett,
I'm not worried about Hood. ;) But you, your the one I made all the remarks about,
But then again, being your brother in law, ;D , I figured you could handle it.
Later Bro. ;D
Ed
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Hood,
As I stated in a previous post, I figured it out. Just lowered my velocity.
The xml is from after that fix. Everything seems fine now.
Thanks, ;)
Ed
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I see Peter Homann has solid state relays for $16.00 ea. any comments?
Temporally out of stock.
Ed
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No comment is my comment because I have never used them so cant comment. Is that the kind of comment you were looking for ?
;D
Hood
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I see Peter Homann has solid state relays for $16.00 ea. any comments?
Temporally out of stock.
Ed
Ed,
Take a look at these http://surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008082613482585&item=11-3167&catname=electric
Kristin
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Kristin,
Thanks for the link. Looks good. Have you used any of these?
Ed
Hood,
Any comments welcome. :D I'm still waiting for comments from Brett. ;D
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"I like silicone implants" thats Bretts usual comment ;D
Hood
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LOL Hood, that is true. Silicon is the BOMB!!!!
Other than that stated above I refuse to comment on the previous comments as that wouold most likely obligate me to make further comments pertaining to previous and present comments. Comments anyone? ;D
Brett
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If I were to comment about your silicone comment I would comment that you yanks need to learn to spell properly, but if I were to comment about your future comments then I would comment that my comment would be in the past. If however I was commenting with regards to your previous comment then I would comment that my comment was in the future in comparison to your previous comment.
I think ;D
Hood
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OK, well one comment. Hood, your full of it. ;D
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I learned from the best ;)
Hood
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Yup, and Bretts comment about silicon implants sounds like a comment from a big Boob.
Thats my comment , and I'm stickin to it. ;D
Ed
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:o No comment
Brett
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Well now you know why Brett gets called Plastic Fantastic ;D
Hood
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you guys are in rare form, today :P
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Check out this link. I think this is Bretts mill.
http://www.cuttinge dgecnc.com/ Movies/ffmm. wmv
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http://www.cuttingedgecnc.com/Movies/ffmm.wmv
try again
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he wishes :)
Hood
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Hexapods are neat!! :)
Brett
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(If you could see the things I have in my head, you would be laughing too.)
No Brett. R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O.
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R.O.T.F.L.M.(F).A.O.
My comment. ;)
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OK Boys, back to business.
PROBLEM.
When manual e-stop is in ,Killing power to servos , if I hit jog (no motor movement)
dros will move,which cause position loss. Would have to REF ALL.What don't I have right? ???
Must I kill power somewhere else with manual e-stop also?
Need more comments. :D
Ed
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Sounds like you dont have your e-stop connected to Mach. If you dont have a two pole E-Stop then you need to get one ;)
Hood
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Hood,
I have one , just don't know where to hook it in. the PMDX BOARD? The e-stop jumper ?
I tryed it there. must have a jumper wrong? ???
Ed
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Hey Ed, you want to wire an iput to Mach for the E-stop. Going through the BOB will be fine. Look in ports and Pins, inputs. You'll find estop there. Land a wire on an avaliable input pin on the BOB and set it to look at that pin in ports and pins. You may have to change the active state depending on how your doing it.
Brett
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Ed,
I put my switch in place of the jumper wire, J6 to "Normal" and E-Stop input in Mach Ports n' Pins to port 1- Pin 10. Active LOW...I think
RC
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Thanks guys,
Got it working now. For some reason I could jog with the jumper wire either on or off. ???
Checked it again today, wired it into my button, and now it works.Well, with my luck if it was raining, ____
Well, Brett knows what I'm talking about.
Just talking to you guys on this forum, is a big help.
Thanks
Ed
Russ, hang in there, My Mom always told me there will be days like this, but she didn't tell me there'd be this many. :D
Best of luck to you.
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Hood, Brett, RC, or anyone else.
Need wiring schematic for 3 phase reversing motor starter. terminals 21-22-95-96-97-98.
Can't find one anywhere. :'(
Thanks
Ed
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Ed,
Here is one from an old Pabst Blue Ribbon plant maintenance manual. :)
It's just two 3 pole contactors. I run the 2 coils with a DPDT relay. That way F and R can never come on at the same time.
RC
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RC,
Thanks, that part I understand. Relays are wired to A1 and A2,
But, wanted to know where 21-22 and 95-96-97-98 get wired in, although it'll work without those ter.
I just can't find that info. But ,thanks Russ. I appreciate it. 8)
Ed
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Not sure Ed, but they may be auxiliary contacts ? ?
Post a Pic of the unit...or a brand name/model#.
RC
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Here's a pic of the 3 phase reversing motor starter.
This one is an AEG made in Germany # LS4-623 22.
I also have an Allen Bradley #104-A18ND3. has the same terminals.
I believe 95-98 is for overload protection
95-96=NC
97-98=NO
21-22=NC
Thanks to anyone who knows the schematic.
Ed
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Machine pics, what all this HELP is all about.
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1 more
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OOOH-OOH :D I should have shrunk them down a bit,
Hope you have a big screen. ;D
Ed
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Seems like there's no industrial electricians on this post in referance to my motor starer question.
After spending a few hours surfing, I found the answer to my question. in case anyone else is interested.
See attachment.
But,
Thanks anyhow.
Ed
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Not that I'm any help at all here, but thanks for sharing the pics, what a great project.
Wish I had the room for a nice sized knee mill like that.
Dave
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Looks like a nice Mill Ed :)
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Good News Ed, you and the wife have made it to youtube. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva1DE1w2uk&feature=related
Brett
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LOL whats the title of that movie? possibly When Ed met Britt
;D
Hood
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:D LOL :D
Thanks Brett.
Better a Britt, than a Brett, :P
Ed and Britt
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Hey Brett
How come you and budman68 have the same flag?
Ed
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ED,
Years ago... I was in your fair state for a friends wedding and recall every time we stopped for fuel the attendant wanted to clean the windscreen, check the pressure in your tyres and offer you some Wisconson Cheese! Do they still do that to out of state visitors? ???
Kristin ::)
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Ed, I thought it fitting for the date. I will change it back to the guard Monkey Friday. A pit bull ain't got nuten on my amo slinging monkey. ;D
Kristin, we use to do that here too. Their are still a few full service stations around but for the most part no. I used to run a shop that was attached to a full service station. It was funnie when someone would come up wanting a little bit of gas and hearing what Sam (the owner) would tell them. Had one rude fellow come up and said hey old man give me a dollars worth. Sam just grunted and told him to pump it his D**n self. LOL Told another Hot D**n, what you want to do, sniff the nozzel. LOL I miss Sam.
Brett
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Kristin,
Nope. I only know of 1 full service station in the county, and no cheese.
MOST PLACES you have to put in a quarter to get air. But Britt blows up my tires and suck starts my Harley.
Keeps her in good shape though. Dem dar S.C girls are somtin else. :D Im sure Brett can verify that.
Ed
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Kristin,
Nope. I only know of 1 full service station in the county, and no cheese.
MOST PLACES you have to put in a quarter to get air. But Britt blows up my tires and suck starts my Harley.
Keeps her in good shape though. Dem dar S.C girls are somtin else. :D Im sure Brett can verify that.
Ed
As long as the chrome on yor trailer hitch remains intact, or was that the N.C. Girls ::) ::)
Kristin
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LOL
I just checked my hitch. The ball is gone. :D :D
Ed