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Re: Avid cnc dual Z
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2022, 12:14:03 PM »
I'm not surprised to see the lack of feedback on your issue. Apparently, this is more complex than I think it should be as well. I am also trying to setup my 2nd Z axis and finding information on how to accomplish this has been a challenging task. This thread has been the most insightful so far. Have you figured this out yet? Seems to me there should be an option in Vcarve pro for a dual z axis setup, but I have only found options for a rotary axis. Confusing how a dual Z isn't more popular. I have an ATC spindle with a 10 tool changer and I still feel the inefficiencies with the tool change process that could be improved with the added Z. I find myself in your shoes- a woodworker learning a new complex tool that requires me to learn a whole new skillset that takes people years in school to master- computer programming. Just shows that the software programs are still in an infancy state and have a way to go to make it so the common man can easily use the machines.

I have an Avid Pro 5x10 with a cncdepot s30C spindle FYI. If you have tackled this, which I assume you have in the last couple of years, I would appreciate your insight.
Thank you.

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Re: Avid cnc dual Z
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2022, 03:59:34 PM »
Confusing how a dual Z isn't more popular.
What percentage of the router market do you think has dual spindles?  It basically turns a complex machine into a SUPER complex machine.  If it were easy, I would guarantee they would be more popular.   

I find myself in your shoes- a woodworker learning a new complex tool that requires me to learn a whole new skillset that takes people years in school to master- computer programming. Just shows that the software programs are still in an infancy state and have a way to go to make it so the common man can easily use the machines.
I have to disagree here.  You are not just wanting to use this machine.  You are wanting to make an improvement to increase your machine's performance.  Most likely, you can easily use you machine as it is but it just takes longer than you wish.  So there is a subtlety here that makes a huge difference.  So to be honest with yourself, what you are really saying is you are wishing there was an easy way that the common man can improve the machine's performance by altering its design.  Right?   ;D

Well, there's nothing wrong with wishing that.  But unfortunately, doing that is gonna require some programming.  And possibly electrical wiring too.  There is only one Z, one S, and one T in G code so you have to consider all of those implications for dual spindles.  Software configuration will only carry you so far once the machine gets our of the more or less "standard" category.

And finally, don't let programming deter you.  I too consider myself a common man.  Like you, I try to find ways to optimize my work, machines, and processes, etc...  It just makes sense.   And also because I will freely admit that I'm a rather lazy man too. :D  The old saying of "work smarter, not harder" comes to mind.  Oh, and I'm dyslexic too so maybe I'm not so common.  LOL  And I will say this as an ex auto mechanic, the very reason I learned to program was to make my life easier.  I had a service station (remember those?) and decided I needed to write my own inventory control software.  And back then there wasn't much software that you could even buy!  No school, no internet, I just stuck my nose in a book, read it over and over, and did the trial and error thing over and over too.  Mostly error, BTW.  ;) However, within 6 months, I had my inventory program.  Note that I didn't master programming in that time though!  But you don't have to master programming to solve a problem.  I would say most people never master programming unless they go on to make a career out of it.  Adam (DAAD) probably hasn't mastered programming but he sure did solve his problem.

The information I gave Adam was very generic (because his machine was going to be different) and should also apply to your machine as well.  Then take a look at his implementation and see how he applied that generic stuff.   Even though your machine will probably be different, It will probably give you a leg up to the right path. 

Steve

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Re: Avid cnc dual Z
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2022, 04:39:49 PM »
TimmyJ,

The programming is not as bad as it first appears.
I am not a programmer either and it took me a while to understand.
I made this to help other non programmers.
it should give you a good starting point.

https://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43260.0;attach=54239

Bill
Re: Avid cnc dual Z
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2022, 04:52:03 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnBL3ox5rpQ
take a look
its double z, double y ,Atc, Rotate axiss
all this mach4
Re: Avid cnc dual Z
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2022, 04:54:23 PM »
this machine was our last decision to stop produce in china(imagine we test this machine by team viewer because corona)

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Re: Avid cnc dual Z
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2022, 05:37:18 PM »
TimmyJ,

The programming is not as bad as it first appears.
I am not a programmer either and it took me a while to understand.
I made this to help other non programmers.
it should give you a good starting point.

https://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43260.0;attach=54239

Bill
I'm glad you posted that, Bill.  You did a fine cliff notes++ there!  I thought I had bookmarked that thread and I guess I must have deleted it accidently.  I have too many bookmarks...  LOL 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnBL3ox5rpQ
take a look
its double z, double y ,Atc, Rotate axiss
all this mach4
That is an impressive machine!!!