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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2019, 09:56:53 AM »
Are you saying that if I wire the 0-10vdc BoB output to the wiper and ground points on the motor control board that will turn the spindle on and off with a M3 and M5 command?
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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2019, 03:26:51 AM »
Hi LerninCNC,

You can even add a cheap "single-relay board" design for Aduino if you want to implement M4 for spindle counterclockwise spin if you use the unused pins (for the unused 5th axis) to drive a Aduino relay board.

The 5th axis direction pin is jumper selectable and can be used for either the onboard relay or external direction control – it cannot be used for both.

 
The BOB board must be powered by 12-24V otherwise the optically isolated inputs will not work.
USB connection is NOT required

A 5 Volt connection is required for the BoB and the USB connection from the PC is the easiest method.
And (as mentioned by Reuelt) a 12 – 24 Volt supply will also be required to power the inputs and the analogue output of the BoB.

I think it is better to switch the DC side of your spindle.
 

As already mentioned by ZASto this is extremely bad advice.
Ideally, using the BoB relay to switch the AC side of the motor controller via an AC switching solid state relay would produce far less electrical noise and cause less problems than taking any high voltage AC or high current DC to the BoB.

Hope this helps,

Tweakie.

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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2019, 04:05:31 AM »
btw witch spindle Controller are you using?
anything is possible, just try it.
if you find some mistakes, in my bad bavarian english,they are yours.

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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2019, 04:26:13 AM »
Are you saying that if I wire the 0-10vdc BoB output to the wiper and ground points on the motor control board that will turn the spindle on and off with a M3 and M5 command?

No
M3 On and M5 off is done by the relay.

Switching the AC side requires "a SOLID STATE RELAY" that uses 0 crossing TRIAC to on and off the power supply. BUT it means you can never implement M4 if you do that. AC is only ON or OFF ie. NO DIRECTION. If you are using a (wood) router and not a VFD spindle, That is the way to do it.

I have both M3 and M4 working with my VFD spindle.
The relay connects to the VFD inverter at low voltage (TTL LOGIC) level at the inverter. One relay turns the spindle clockwise, the other relay turns the spindle anti-clockwise.
(see attached)
« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 04:38:17 AM by reuelt »
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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2019, 09:26:23 AM »
btw witch spindle Controller are you using?

Currently my spindle direction is controlled with a switch (FWD-OFF-REV) and speed is with a potentionmeter.
Tom
Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2019, 09:27:19 AM »
Are you saying that if I wire the 0-10vdc BoB output to the wiper and ground points on the motor control board that will turn the spindle on and off with a M3 and M5 command?

No
M3 On and M5 off is done by the relay.

Switching the AC side requires "a SOLID STATE RELAY" that uses 0 crossing TRIAC to on and off the power supply. BUT it means you can never implement M4 if you do that. AC is only ON or OFF ie. NO DIRECTION. If you are using a (wood) router and not a VFD spindle, That is the way to do it.

I have both M3 and M4 working with my VFD spindle.
The relay connects to the VFD inverter at low voltage (TTL LOGIC) level at the inverter. One relay turns the spindle clockwise, the other relay turns the spindle anti-clockwise.
(see attached)

Got it.  Thanks.
Tom
Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2019, 09:28:46 AM »
Hi LerninCNC,

You can even add a cheap "single-relay board" design for Aduino if you want to implement M4 for spindle counterclockwise spin if you use the unused pins (for the unused 5th axis) to drive a Aduino relay board.

The 5th axis direction pin is jumper selectable and can be used for either the onboard relay or external direction control – it cannot be used for both.

 
The BOB board must be powered by 12-24V otherwise the optically isolated inputs will not work.
USB connection is NOT required

A 5 Volt connection is required for the BoB and the USB connection from the PC is the easiest method.
And (as mentioned by Reuelt) a 12 – 24 Volt supply will also be required to power the inputs and the analogue output of the BoB.

I think it is better to switch the DC side of your spindle.
 

As already mentioned by ZASto this is extremely bad advice.
Ideally, using the BoB relay to switch the AC side of the motor controller via an AC switching solid state relay would produce far less electrical noise and cause less problems than taking any high voltage AC or high current DC to the BoB.

Hope this helps,

Tweakie.


Thanks for the clarifications. 
Tom

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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2019, 09:42:19 AM »
" switch (FWD-OFF-REV)"

VERY GOOD!
Now One relay should just be soldered to imitate the FWD function of that switch (to get M3 working)
Another relay should just be soldered to imitate the REV function of that switch (to get M4 working)

 
Later Buy a relay for Arduino like:-

https://www.amazon.com/Tolako-Arduino-Indicator-Channel-Official/dp/B00VRUAHLE?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00VRUAHLE

It will cost peanuts to get M4 working.
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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2019, 09:48:33 AM »
" switch (FWD-OFF-REV)"

VERY GOOD!
Now One relay should just be soldered to imitate the FWD function of that switch (to get M3 working)
Another relay should just be soldered to imitate the REV function of that switch (to get M4 working)

 
Later Buy a relay for Arduino like:-

https://www.amazon.com/Tolako-Arduino-Indicator-Channel-Official/dp/B00VRUAHLE?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00VRUAHLE

It cost peanuts to get M4 working.
Thanks for the link.
Tom

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Re: Spindle Relay Configuration Questions
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2019, 10:00:09 AM »
You should connect the BOB ONLY to a 12-24V power supply.
and DO NOT CONNECT a USB CABLE TO THE PC!

(i will explain to you why via PM if you want to know)
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