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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2013, 02:28:07 PM »
The only way to check voltages that I know of is with a volt meter. While I won't say that your BOB is crap, The better ones give you a full 5v.


Mike
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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2013, 07:44:53 PM »
Kinda seems I did check voltage when on the S-PID because the 3.7 vdc was coming directly from the P port and 0 vcc (ground) was directly from the computer case.             Still seems strange to me though, I thought computer power supplies were pretty tightly regulated. My very limited knowledge would make me think I should have found either 5v or 3.3v Is it a "low" 5v or a "hi" 3.3x ? I thought most pp outputs basically have 2 voltages, so makes for an out with 2 states, on/off , hi/low. But this pwm output is a variable voltage signal if I'm understanding this right, Would that make a difference in it's max voltage out ?
    I guess my next question is, is there a way to convert / transform or amplify this 3.7v max to 5v max variable voltage ? Come on computer and electronics guys/gals, I need help Please !



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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2013, 07:51:39 PM »
PWM is still just on and off but the time on vs the time off is what gives the differing voltages.
My suggestion would be to buy a high quality BOB.
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Somebody much smarter than me may know of a good way to up the voltage.



Mike
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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2013, 08:21:21 PM »
There are pp buffers out there.  I would probably follow mikes advice and get a good BOB though.

Brett
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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2013, 02:53:10 PM »
BINGO !!  Go It.
    Well I found the problem, Had nothing to do with Mach 3, the computer, the Super PID, or the BOB. Problem turned out to be the BOOB that hooked things up. :-[
    I was reading through/searching the Super PID thread over on the cnc zone. Read about computers using pwm output and only outputting 3.3v being a problem with S-PID version 1.  So Roman came up with a converter to fix the problem that could be purchased from S-PID for 5 bucks.
    For S-PID version 2 (which is what I have), the converter circuit is built into the S-PID. Sounds like the problem I have has been found & fixed a long time ago, wonder why it isn't working for me? Then I read a post where a guy was using pwm & a switch to use the pot as an option, (which is what I'm attempting to do as well), and he posted a pic of his wiring. Something about it looked different than mine so I looked closer. Well when I checked my wiring I found I had wired for switching between pot and 0 -5v instead of wiring for switching between pot and pwm as I should have, DUH !  ::)
    Both set ups are shown on the same page of the Super PID "advanced connections" docs and I musta had a brain fart and followed the wrong one. I rewired the Super-PID correctly and I must say , it is SUPER. Mach 3 spindle pulleys at 0 min and 30,000 max and the commanded speed and actual speed are less than 50 rpm apart anywhere in the 5,000 to 30,000 range.  Why that's SUPER ! ;D
    This isn't my first mistake and surely not the last. Thought I needed to post this so folks would know Mach3 and the Super - PID work together GREAT,,,,,,,,if ya hook'em up right. ;)

                     Rick   

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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2013, 08:46:53 PM »
 :) Glad you got it sorted Rick.  And don't feel bad, we all do things like that.  Thanks for posting as it may well help others.

Brett
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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2013, 06:56:33 AM »
Hi Rick,
Glad to see it fixed as well. It takes a real man to stand up and say I did it incorrectly on a public forum.
Thanks for the update.

Mikr
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Re: Mach 3, Super PID & Rotozip
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2013, 07:22:52 AM »
Well, stuff happens, ya know?
    I'm pretty sure it's Brett's fault for commenting on how well I'm doing with this electronics stuff,,,,,,,,,jinxed me I think. ::) Na, just kidding. Like I said, not my first and surely not my last mistake. I figure people who don't make mistakes either aren't doing anything or they lie. ;) I wanted anyone who might be thinking of going the Super PID route to know my difficulties were of my own making.
    I think it's pretty great to take a cheap run of the mill router and transform it into a computer controlled machine tool spindle for the price of the Super PID.

                                                           Rick