:)That was it - I unchecked the G04 Dwell and now have my pierce time but my Z now goes all the way to the top and hits before it comes back down and fires and upon ending goes all the way up and hits then stops - I assume that if I turn on my soft limits, I can get it to stop before bottoming out or is there another setting to use for this - just thought I would pick your knowledge a little further - Thanx for the info Jon