Cool, I took the code you made ran it, edited it a bit to see the differences and ran it again and repeat. That should give me a day or 2 to manipulate it to see what is going on. Id di get a few different results than I expected in a case or 2 but I will really just have to examine the piece and the code to make sense of it all. Your help has made my week and weekend. I had read quite a bit just to get the basics of a sub. Nice to get a bone occasionally. Thanks again many more questions to follow.