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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Scrappy does his first cut!!!!!!!
« on: September 24, 2015, 06:07:02 AM »
After nearly 2 years (maybe more) Scrappy (sorry Tweakie......... ;)) has cut for the first time. OK it was only a 50mm square out of 4mm plywood, but we did it and it cut it nicely, square and true, not bad for a complete novice.
As his name suggests, Scrappy is made out of scrap bits off old machines from work, with a few parts made by a local machine shop. He has a Kress FME 1050 machine head and the drivers are off an old labelling machine, modified to run off a PC via a breakout board (a UC100 motion controller is in the post) to improve the steppers performance, cutting footprint is not huge but it should suffice X = 360, Y = 390 and Z = 120.
I now have to work on a simple but effective method of clamping/securing sheets of plywood to the bed after I have given the bed a skim when my larger end mills arrive. I couldn't take a video of the first cut as my hands were busy hovering over the E-stop and main isolator just in case!!!!!!
I have noticed though that on start up the Y axis ticks and moves a step, this is caused by the breakout boards on board relay clicking in and out for a few minutes?????? (cheapo Chinese unit, my fault I know), after a few minutes that stops and the Y axis is silent, also when jogging the X axis I can hear it ticking during its movement, this seems to only happen when its jogging and no other time. Teething problems associated with cheap and untested units, hopefully I shall be investing in some proper microstepper drives from CNC4YOU in the not to distant future as I can only full step at the moment and Scrappy becomes very, very noisy when the Y axis is slowing down to negotiate a curve.
Apart from these minor faults we are up and running, I shall try to get some video of Scrappy in full motion soon, thanks for your help in getting me this far.

Stewart

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Thanks for that @mc, appreciate honest recommendations, so will be getting stuff off them in the near future.

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Eventually found details of the driver boards I am using, so gives me a better chance of setting up and understanding the workings of them.

For your info if so inclined................http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.ahs-antriebstechnik.de/pdf-dateien-e/STep%2520Motor%2520Drives/ZMP%2520Manual%2520English.pdf&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0CBQQFjAAahUKEwjQx6iIuZzHAhWlcdsKHamiCVM&usg=AFQjCNGl7dm-s_4a-unKIKxX0-5wITYOnA

The ones I am using are the ZMP 92-70 boards

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Hi Gerry,

           I aim mainly to be cutting between 2mm and 6mm ply, using a 1mm or 2mm endmill, with the odd excursion to MDF and Aluminium, would a 10mm pitch ballscrew still be the route to go?

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Hi Tweakie,

              I am just thinking long term, if my CNC works and am happy with it, I am looking to increase its footprint and upgrade the electronics and mechanics of it, as I say it has been made purely from scrap and junk, so far it has cost me nowt other than my time.

Hi BR549

            Now there is singing, and there is singing, mine shouts and it ain't very pleasant, hence the need for micro stepping and ballscrews.

I am looking at stuff on CNC4YOU, looks reasonable quality and prices are in my ballpark, has anyone dealt with these guys?

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Another thing I forgot to mention is the fact that the driver is only capable of either full or half step, and I am not going to attempt to try and get it to half step as it means soldering a +5vdc supply onto the drive boards themselves as I said these boards were built originally for a labeling machine and not for a CNC!!!!!!, but they were free. So with just full step available when it is running and say going in a circle the noise from the Y axis stepper as it slows down at the base of the circle is awful to say the least so my thinking is if I can micro step that should remove the noise from the steppers?

Sorry if I ask to many dumb questions.

Stewart

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Hi all,

I have built a router/milling machine basically out of scrap parts, with a few bits made via a friend. Now I have had it running dry as I have no cutting head at the moment and am waiting to buy a Kress 1050 head, once in my hands I can get cutting. It is going to be used mainly to cut plywood and MDF with the odd bit of Aluminium work, nothing big though. Now in the video you can see it moves fairly slowly compared to many others, this is down to using M16 X 2 pitch screwed rod for the leadscrew, the stepper for the Y axis is a VEXTA PH299-4.6 and the steppers for X and Z are VEXTA PH268-1.6, again these use M16 x 2 pitch screwed rod for the leadscrew, the drivers for the motors are what was used when they belonged to the labelling machine originally so data for them is non existant but they work, this is conected via a cheapo BOB to my PC running XP.
Now during testing and setting up I can get it running faster than the video shows but it stalls if I push it past 1300 in MACH3 motor tuning, on investigation the data for the motors show the torque at less than 1Nm (0.883 to be precise) not sure about the 299 motor though as I can find no data for it, but am presuming this too will be on the low side on the torque front. So this got me looking into improvements and a load more questions than answers. The upshot is would it be better to use 16mm x 5 pitch ballscrews for all axis's? Change all the motors to a NEMA23 Hi torque motors (4Nm)? And have 2 motors run the Y axis instead of 1 running 2 belts as I have at the moment. This will obviously require new drivers and a new power supply, with the amount of different manafacturers and suppliers I am getting baffled by the complexcity of choices, can someone please point me in the right direction, cost is the limiting factor as I can't afford the likes of GEKKO drives but don't want to buy stuff that's not going to last 10 minutes......................ideal world, cheap but reliable and UK if possible.

Video of my machine...................https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG2lSQl4IQ0

Many thanks in advance

Stewart

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Thanks for the tips Gerry, appreciate your input.

Stewart

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Thanks for the responce Gerry, seems I don't need to change PC then, just learn how to network XP, 7 and 8.1....................... ;D ;D ;D

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