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General Mach Discussion / Re: Bridgeport Knee Mill Conversion?
« on: January 23, 2018, 04:15:31 PM »
Thanks, interesting, would be great to know what they did that an upgrade broke but i guess we'll never find out now.

I have the knee moving under power now, it was my fault for wiring the encoder to one channel and the analogue out to another channel ;)

Its not tuned right yet as it oscillates after it stops when homing.

At least we have motion now.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Bridgeport Knee Mill Conversion?
« on: January 23, 2018, 01:29:08 PM »
Ok, got it wired and powered up.

Little snag to start with, i'm a bit rusty here....

When you take Mach out of reset, the servo starts creeping without command, anyone give a pointer as to where i start digging??

It does not creep for long as you get an ePid fault.

Thanks :)

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General Mach Discussion / Re: M6 Macro tweaking
« on: January 23, 2018, 04:46:02 AM »
I think they are superfluous to the current usage, the macro came originally with the 2010 screenset which does all sorts of clever stuff in the M6 etc.

I have deleted them now and will see what happens when i get the knee axis up and running this week.

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Hiya,

Machine coordinates tell the controller where the machine actually is in relation to its home switches or bed stops etc, work coordinates tell the controller where the work is in relation to the bed or table - these can be anywhere on the machine bed.

Generally when you home the machine upon start up, it will go to the home switches and set the machine DRO's to zero. This means you can use soft limits etc to stop running into end stops and such.

That said, some machines/operators never home and don't have limits or home switches :)

You can have multiple work coordinates in play with G55/6/7 etc - really gets fun then.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Bridgeport Knee Mill Conversion?
« on: January 22, 2018, 02:16:55 PM »
I'd forgotten how busy it was in the cabinet :)



The knee axis servo drive will have go on the right-side wall i think.

Hopefully get the drive temporarily fitted tomorrow and powered up the day after.

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I would not go lower than 20, I think mine is on 100 IIRC, a setting of 3 could upset the trajectory planner i reckon.

Well I do not know nothing about that how it works, hope somebody will explain .

AS I understand it....

Inside Mach (and probably all CNC controllers) there is a thing called the trajectory planner - its responsible for calculating the deceleration and acceleration for constant velocity (CV) moves as the code runs, amongst other things, probably works out radii from different input as well and so on - it plans the trajectory of the tool path on the machine.

The planner does its calculations and feeds the results into the code buffer, this is like a safety net so the machine can keep running smoothly - if the buffer empties on the job, you get a "Buffer Underrun" and the motion will stop or stall for an amount of time until there is sufficient code to make more moves - this is ALWAYS a bad thing and will make a mess.

Now, to stop an underrun Mach has to work in front of where the machine currently is - it takes time to do its calculations - measurable time, so to stop a risk of under run as well as correctly plan the trajectory, Mach has to "Look Ahead" a set amount of code lines - the look ahead setting. Its really not that vital now as PC's are pretty damn fast these days and 20 lines ahead seems ok, mine is 100 but i cant recall why now.

You can force an underrun if you like, just use the PC for something like a screen-saver or anything that will divert processor cycles away from Mach3's intensive use and your machine will stall and stutter like hell - this is why we use bare-bones setups for running Mach3. There is a very fine line between OK and underrun and it takes little to upset it, setting the look ahead too short will make it worse. If using the parallel port things get even tighter as the PC has to generate millions of stepper pulses and control the LPT port as well as updating the user interface - DRO's and the path indicator etc

Mach3 is a brilliant bit of software and i'm glad i have access to it really.


An analogy (of sorts) - the trajectory planner in a racing car - the drivers brain.

You are driving along and see a corner, you have no trajectory planner, so you drive to the corner and either take it at full speed (CV) or stop then take the corner (exact stop) - chances are you will crash with taking it at full speed and exact stop will annoy other racers as you stop and then turn.

Now, with the trajectory planner installed in your head, your eyes give it "look-ahead" - you can see the corner approaching a way off, your brain assesses a safe speed in which to take the corner, you slow in time (decelerate), take the corner and then accelerate away at feed-rate again.

The buffer kind of lets you see the next corner and the one after it.

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I would not go lower than 20, I think mine is on 100 IIRC, a setting of 3 could upset the trajectory planner i reckon.

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There was a document floating on the 'net from Art IIRC it was very in depth as to the internals of M3 and very interesting reading reading, M3 is indeed a very clever bit of software.

Think i can find it now :(

Of course not.

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"Feed Hold" is exactly what it says - it will hold the process at the next opportunity i.e. it stops filling the buffer and allows it to empty then pauses or holds. I have used it a few times when i have not been happy with my hold-downs, paused, added another clamp then continued etc. It does not "Stop" the machine - for this you use the stop button or the big red button if its going to hit the fan ;)

Two different actions and two different methods of achieving them.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Bridgeport Knee Mill Conversion?
« on: January 21, 2018, 08:39:14 AM »
Got the limits and home switch fitted today, moving switches and fixed cams so I could do it all with two switches :)

Top is limit, bottom is home...



Had to alter my plan of homing to top as with the vise fitted the bed will crash...



All the way down, a lot of cranking....



Wired the limit switch into the loop, just the home to take back to cabinet...