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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: I Need to Choose a Motion Controller
« on: January 12, 2017, 08:19:59 PM »
Hi brittf,
thinking a little more about your question...

You could use the Darwin PP plugin for Mach4 for a licence fee of only $25. Being PP requires 32 bit OS Windows 7 or
earlier. Plug your 540 direct to the PP. Cheapest excursion into Mach4.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: I Need to Choose a Motion Controller
« on: January 12, 2017, 06:14:15 PM »
Hi brttf,
I have just been reading up on the 57CNCdb25 unit you mentioned and it looks good. I was confusing it with the 57E and the 57CNC
which are not the same.

The 57E and the 57CNC are Ethernet connected whereas the 57CNCdb25 is USB connected, Ethernet has lower latency and is preferred
but USB works well. The Ethernet boards have ADC converters built in and communicate the digital value as registers over TCP/IP whereas
the 57CNCdb25 does not.

The 57CNCdb25 is very well priced, looks like it would be easy to convert to from PP but does miss on the potential of the 57E/57CNC.
If you value the future 'expansion' potential then the 57E/57CNC are the way to go despite the initial setup being somewhat more
involved.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: I Need to Choose a Motion Controller
« on: January 12, 2017, 04:17:13 PM »
Hi brittf,
I am not familiar with either controller, I use an ESS but have had occasion to read the manuals for both.

I was very impressed with the PoKeys offering because it offers MODBUS type functionality, that is to say it
can communicate certainly 16 bit and probably 32 bit numbers over its Ethernet connection in addition to
all the physical pins.

I am a recent convert to M4 so please understand that my opinions/assertions are subject to revision by others
with greater experience than I.

Historically SmoothStepper and PMDX were invented/developed at a time when all users were PP. As a consequence
their pinouts and so on reflected what their customers already had ie PP cables/BOBs etc. They retain that character
today. The ESS has 26 pin headers which with a ribbon to db25 cable is identical  to a PP.

PoKeys has a slightly different origin as an I/O interface. The I/O is communicated to the host PC over TCP/IP. Additionally
analogue data once converted to digital can be communicated. The 57CNCdb25 is a conveniently connectorised version
of their 57E. Both can be used for M4 but the 57CNC is the more amenable to use because of its connections and pinouts.

All three devices (ESS, PMDX-411 and 57CNCdb25) are really good value for money with the flexibility of the Pokeys
offering making it very attractive.

Note also that Cslabs, Hicon, Gallil and Kflop also make controllers with many nice features but in most cases much more
expensive than those above.

All in all Mach4 users have a stable of good suppliers to chose from and any devices from any of them will work. If there is
a specific feature you require then go for it.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Switching to Mach4 hobby from chilipeppr
« on: January 08, 2017, 05:43:23 PM »
Hi crchisholm,
just read thru the manual for the G540, great device.

The simplest and cheapest alternative is:
Mach3 and PP to the G540.

The next option is:
Mach4 and Darwin PP to the G540- extra $50 because of the required licences.

Thereafter would require an external motion controller but because of the G540 you would not require a BOB.

Any and all of those options would get you started.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Lua
« on: January 07, 2017, 10:28:31 PM »
Hi dude1,
you lucky bugger!...dream of being trolled (not quite sure what that means but sounds devious).

I work for a company in Christchurch fixing welders. About a year or so ago I happened to meet a guy, a friend of
a customer who used Mach3 for making boards. Really nice guy and clued up but unfortunately lost contact with him,
believe he came from Blenheim, despite looking in the phone book and so on. You wouldn't happen to know whom I
mean would you? Don't want any personal details or anything but would be nice to make contact, he sure knew his
stuff.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Lua
« on: January 07, 2017, 10:08:04 PM »
Hi dude1,
I live in Akaroa, about 100k from Christchurch. Didn't realise I was talking to another Kiwi.. Where abouts are you?

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Switching to Mach4 hobby from chilipeppr
« on: January 07, 2017, 09:57:49 PM »
Hi crchisholm,

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Does the ESS need to be part of a network, or can I use a null modem cable (cross over cable) to hook directly to the computer?  

You don't need a network, in fact better off without it. The ESS, or alternate board of your choice, plugs into the Ethernet port of
your computer. The manufacturer recommends that the wifi be disabled, you want your computer to concentrate on Mach4, nothing
else. Neither do you require a crossover cable.

I am unfamiliar with the Geko540 but from other posts it sounds like it doesn't need a BOB. A BOB is just an amplifier/buffer, it doesn't
add any real functionality, but it is a convenient place to hook up limits switches and the likes.

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The stepper drivers are in the Smoothstepper, right?

No, the drivers are in the 540.

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Is the VistaCNC pendent  a necessary ingredient to this setup or just a convenience that I could get later?

No it is not necessary but useful to have.

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If you had elected to use the parallel port, exactly what would that look like?

A printer port cable would plug in to the BOB and the drivers, switches and similar would hook to the BOB.
The ESS is a natural fit for a BOB or BOBs. It has three 26 pin sockets which plug by ribbon cable to a BOB.
As I had two BOBs already that's what I did, additionally I have three separate drives, one for each axis and the
BOB allowed me to 'direct' the required signals to each one.

Daz-The-Gaz is right, there are six manufacturers of Mach4 ready controllers, three of them have high end products
which don't suit your budget.

Of the 'value' makers are Warp9 with the ESS, PMDX has two Mach4 ready boards and PoKeys which also has two
Mach4 ready boards. All three are good value and are highly regarded.

The PMDX boards, at least to my knowledge are USB boards with higher latency and have the equivalent of one
'ports' worth of connections. They enjoy flexible power supply arrangements and have buffered/opto isolated outputs
and probably don't require a BOB. The company enjoy an excellent reputation for support.

The ESS is Ethernet connected, ie fast, a definite plus and has three 'ports' worth of connections. They don't have
analogue inputs like their competitors and as I said above a natural fit with a BOB. Their technical backup from
personal experience is superb.

I have recently had the opportunity to read the PoKeys tech literature of both their Mach4 ready boards. Both are
Ethernet connected have even more IO than the ESS, have analogue inputs, multiple MPG inputs and can communicate
via MODBUS. Neither seem to require a BOB. The 57CNC has extra plugs and terminals than its cheaper sibling the 57E.
They are very cost competitive and flexible. I have no personal knowledge of their support practices but feel if it had
been lacking reports would be on the forum.

The UC series of controllers are to my knowledge Mach3 only at this time. They have a wide user base which attests
to their value and functionality.

Craig

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Hi AdrianH,
sounds like the I,J mode is in 'absolute mode', and it will do very strange things when cutting curves.

Looking at your Gen Config page I see that you have Incremental IJ mode set but from your description it is
being changed by the code at some stage prior to the instruction that's giving you grief.

Have a look at the G code description for G03 in Mach3, it explains the difference between Abs/Inc mode.
Have a look also at G90/G90.1/G91/G91.1.

As an experiment try inserting this line between N0130 and N0140:
N0135 G90
and try it again. The more I read G90/G90.1/G91/G91.1 the more confused I get.... Try substituting 90.1,91,91.1 in the inserted
line until you find the correct mode. Wouldn't recommend trying to cut until your satisfied that the toolpath looks correct.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Lua
« on: January 07, 2017, 04:37:28 AM »
Hi dude1,
sorry, didn't mean to imply that it wouldn't work, what I see would work fine. With all the signals in Mach, not just the I/O but all
the other stuff going on the signal script gets hammered. Any reduction in code in it the better.

Functions as first class values, function closures and that sort of thing are really powerful. Just started reading up on the C API...wow!
You got to feel sorry for the 'poor sick little puppies' how dreamed all this s...t up! I think even a toothache would be less painful than
thinking like they do, and the LUA interpreter is only 500 lines.....

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Kress FME-1050-1 + Inverter?
« on: January 07, 2017, 04:17:07 AM »
Hi cncfreakcncfrea,
that looks like a mighty nice spindle, ATC as well, bet it costs a bomb! You may have noticed 800Hz inverters are as rare as 'rocking
horse s...t' and also like to cost a bomb.

To be honest I don't care what you cut 'the slower the speed the greater the torque required'.

To take my spindle for instance 750W at 24000 rpm, its good, plenty of grunt for a small motor. The same spindle slowed down to
6000 rpm is only 187W, scarcely enuf grunt to get out of its own way. I make a lot of circuit boards and for those it goes great and
does a nice job on aluminium too. But when it comes to steel or larger diameter tools torque is king.

By comparison to a decent sized high speed spindle which is still capable of good torque down low suddenly servos don't seem quite
so expensive. Providing spindle and bearings with tool holder adds to the cost certainly but if you make them yourself well....
A 1kW Delta servo AND drive for about $650 (AliExpress) is pretty good buying.

I really wanted about 10Nm torque at up to 3000rpm. The servo I found does 12Nm and short duration overload of 48Nm. I'm hoping
to spin 16mm tools in steel at an engagement ratio of 25%, ie serious grunt for a benchtop mill. The servo itself is quite old, think
manufactured in '94, it looks brand new. Downside is it has an 8 pole resolver, old school stuff, simple and reliable and easily enuf
rotational accuracy for rigid tapping. Resolver capable drives are few and far between. Could change it to an encoder.

Electronics is my thing so I thought I'll make one. Easier said than done of course but I've proved its not impossible. Using a Texas
Instruments TMS320F 28069M micro on one of their Launchpad boards. $50 gets you the micro, isolated JTAG all pinned out and ready
to go. 32bit @90Mhz,single cycle floating point, all the peripherals you could possibly eat, free to use IDE and libraries. Had to learn C
to write the code, learn about field oriented control. Coded up and working well including my resolver-to-digital. Working on the inverter now.
Using Texas Instruments ISO5500 isolated drivers with de-satSD/UVLO and all the fruity bits, $5 each to drive 500V 50A MOSFETS @ $15 each.
Using heavy copper (420um copper layer cf standard PCB 35um) board. Rated output 14A per phase, 30sec overload 28A, momentary overload
48A. Input current (rated) 27A @230V.

I've got NSK 7204P4 matched angular contact bearings and a genuine 'you beaut' Regofix (Swiss made, real shiny!) ER20 spindle and a full
set of Jones&Shipman collets.

All up about $1000. Not finished yet but its coming along. I've put serious thought and effort into it.

Craig

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