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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 Button OFFLINE
« on: November 26, 2017, 04:05:55 PM »
Hi,
the functionality you require is already there. You'll need a dozen lines of code to make it work.
If you won't experiment with one of your servo drives to find out what happens when you disable it then
you will not be able to code it either.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: A-axis rotary lathe question for Mach 3
« on: November 26, 2017, 02:30:09 PM »
Hi,
seat belts in a car don't keep you safe...avoiding the accident in the first place is safe.

Sure seatbelts/airbags etc make surviving an accident much more likely but try to avoid the accident.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 newbie here. I need some help
« on: November 25, 2017, 04:33:56 PM »
Hi,
my comment about the suitability of an AC servo as a spindle motor applies equally to a lathe spindle.

Mach requires one pulse per rev, an index, to calculate and synchronise a thread. Mach assumes that the speed is constant even when the tool engages the
material and starts cutting. We all know that is never actually the case, the spindle always slows a little. Even with closed loop control a feedback of one pulse
per rev is not enough for a controller to maintain spindle speed accurately enough for threading.

Most modern AC servos have encoders of 10,000 count per rev and feedback/control loops in the kHz range. The control bandwidth is such that it can maintain
its speed accurately many hundreds of times per revolution which beats the hell out of any other motor with a simple index pulse.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 newbie here. I need some help
« on: November 25, 2017, 04:18:55 PM »
Hi,
OK, you require indexing....start by getting the spindle to work! If you don't have control of the spindle then indexing is pointless.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 newbie here. I need some help
« on: November 25, 2017, 02:46:57 PM »
Hi Azalin,
I think we often spend too much time worrying about spindle speed. Quite a few of the jobs I do on my mill are engraving type jobs, PCB routing particularly.
All I require is that the spindle starts, go to max RPM and stay that way until the job is done. I don't need/want it to go backwards, I don't care what the true
RPM is, I mean I can tell at a glance whether the spindle is going OK.

May I suggest rather than attempting to set your machine up so that you have fine speed control and true speed feedback with all the complication and confusion
of software setup and hardware compatibility that you settle for a simpler solution. When your comfortable with that then start extending your control and then
only to the extent required to do the machining you require. Do you actually require precise indexing and speed control for rigid tapping UNLESS you are doing
rigid tapping?

The video you linked is a very simple and common set up. It defines two outputs: one for ON/OFF control and the other as a PWM signal that results in a 0-10V
analogue signal to your VFD/spindle driver. It may be, like my engraving job, that you don't need the PWM speed control, you might have a potentiometer and
knob that you can lean over and tweak to do the job at hand. If you need to be able to go in reverse you will need more outputs.

You could use as few as two: one for FWD and the other as REV and with neither output active STOP. Or you could have three outputs: one for ON/OFF,
and the other two for FWD and REV. Use whatever seems simplest to adapt to the input circuit of your VFD/driver.

Likewise most VFD/drivers accept an analogue voltage and most BoBs output an analogue voltage usually from a nominated pin so connect one to the other.

At this stage who cares about spindle feedback? You will know immediately if the spindle is doing what its supposed to or close to it. Even if you do have an index
pulse setup and true RPM displayed without some sort of closed control loop you can't adjust the spindle speed anyway. And before you ask Mach is not a closed loop
controller. You will no doubt have seen posts about it and using some clever coding and/or hardware you can induce Mach to close a control loop but its performance
is pretty lethargic. There are external motion controllers that have closed loop control capacity, often called PID, but they cost extra, a lot extra as a rule and it
begs the question 'how precise/detailed/accurate/dynamic do I require my spindle speed control to do my machining?'

If you find that you need really precise indexing and speed control for rigid tapping say the buy yourself a decent AC servo and drive. You can shag around with
feedback controllers and encoders until 'the cows come home' and still not match the control offered by a matched AC servo and drive. All that is required with such
a matched pair is a Step/Direction signal pair....no encoder feedback, no PID tuning, no headaches!

Keep your spindle speed control solution as simple and cheap as you can...save your time and dollars for other things!

Craig

 

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Hi Dion,
Daz sounds like hes on to it...it will work in  Demo and with Darwin...all good news.

That control board you've got incoperates both a parallel breakout board and all of the stepper drivers. If you were to replace it with an external controller
you'd need not just the controller but the stepper drivers as well...starting to sound costly.

I think it is highly probabale in the end if you wish to persevere with CNC as a hobby that you will do just exactly that. In the mean time getting good value
from the gear you've got makes sense. A lot of Chinese made gear has poor documentation and little or no support but it does work. It can be very
frustrating but doable.

If you feel inclined to invest some more dollars thers plenty of good choices....but not strictly neccessary either.

Craig

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Hi,
should point out that there are some others who make really good stuff but a lot more expensive...their stuff is that good that they must be
mentioned even if I can't afford them.

http://www.vitalsystem.com/portal/index.php
http://en.cs-lab.eu/
http://www.galilmc.com/


Craig

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Hi,

https://www.pmdx.com/SmartBOB-compare
https://warp9td.com/
https://www.poscope.com/products/pokeys-devices/
https://www.cncdrive.com/

There are subtle variations in price and performance and features. All of the companies have a good repuation for  support.
There is a post on the forum placed within the last few days that XHC have entered the Mach4 market. The post warns that the XHC board works
OK with Machs core but NOT the GUI. Apparently XHC have little or no interest in fixing that glaring omission.

Just a warning too, the UC100 has been incredibly popular with Mach3 users and now that it has a Mach4 plugin will be equally popular with Mach4
users. Beware the Chinese knockoffs being sold on Ebay, they are rubbish by comparison. If buying any of these products buy from the manufacturer
direct or their nominated distributor, real cheap deals from other sources tend to be not so cheap after all!

Craig

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Hi,
I have the same build and it certainly has code and it works.

I think the Touch module works only with licenced copies of Mach. I am dubious that Darwin will enact everything required to make the Touch module
work. Mach4 is at its best and is designed for an external motion controller like an ESS. Art, the guy who wrote Darwin has categorically stated that
Darwin will never be fully featured, so things like THC, lathe threading and probably backlash compensation will never be enacted. Do yourself a favour
and get an external motion controller, there are four manufacturers competeing in the 'value' end of the market and any of them are good.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 Button OFFLINE
« on: November 24, 2017, 09:16:23 AM »
Hi,
while you may not believe it that is exactly what I'm talking about doing, but clearly you know more about Mach4 than I do so I look forward
to your solution. Good luck.

Craig

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