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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 to Mach3
« on: May 25, 2018, 06:55:11 AM »
Hi Klaus,
what motion controller are you contemplating?.

Most of the Mach4 motion control boards have a Mach3 plugin as well. The only Mach4 board that I know of that does not is the PMDX-422, its Mach4 only.
The rest, the ESS, the UC100 and UC300, the PoKeys 57 series and the Hicon all have Mach3 plugins.
CSLabs CSMIO boards have a Mach4 plugin but it seems pretty ragged and they seem also to have gone off the boil and not doing anything about it. I don't think
I could recommend CSMIO boards as Mach4 ready yet.

I suspect that once you get your teeth into Mach4 you won't want to go back to Mach3 anyway.

Craig

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Hi,
I've been doing some more calculations and have come to the conclusion that 800W is more likely peak power rather than continuous.
My reasoning goes like this:

The voltage feedback constant is 7V/1000 rpm.
The back EMF at rated speed is 7/1000 x 3500 =24.5V
The back EMF is in effect the electrical reaction to the motor delivering rated power to a mechanical load, therefore the current is:

power = voltage x current
800W =24.5V x current
current= 32.6A

The total terminal voltage when producing 800W into a mechanical load will be the sum of the back EMF and the resistive loss of the armature.

Vtot = 24.5 + (32.6 X 1.3Ohm)
       =66.9V

The total electrical power delivered to the servo is:
Ptot=66.9 x 32.6
      =2180 W

Of which 800W is deliverd to the load so the remaining power is dissipated in the resistance of the armature:
Pwaste=2180-800
          =1381W

Your servo would cook up BIGTIME if this were continuous. My guess is that the torque figure quoted is peak torque not continuous rated torque.
As peak torque is typically three to four times rated I would guess the true CONTINOUS RATED torque is  0.5 ft.lb and rated power is about 200W.
That would bring the dissipation in the servo down to 79W. That is a lot more realistic.

If my reasoning is correct then 200W servos could be used to good advantage on your machine and that may bring the price down somewhat.
I have heard CNCers say that very large and heavy and fast machines might have axis motors of 1 hp or 750W. It seems more likely that a smaller machine
like yours would have axis motors somewhat less than that, 200W is an estimate.

The power figures I quoted earlier from the DMM website are continuous power. It makes sense to compare your existing servos continuous rating
to the continuous rating of DMM's AC servos.

If you follow the proposal to replace the DC servos with AC servos then the biggest expense in the retrofit will be the servos and drives themselves. As you have seen
the DMM 400W 200V servos and drives are about $400 a set, or $1200 for the three axes. A 200W 200V servo saves you only $24 per axis, it makes sense then to get
the 400W units.

You may note that DMM list both 60V and 200V servos and drives in these power ranges. The 60V servos and drives are cheaper however you would then require high current
power supplies. The 200V units however are fed with 230V AC line voltage, no power supplies required. All up its a wash, they are both near identical in price given the power
supply. The 200V units require much less current and therefore are going to run cooler at elevated loads so the higher voltage units are preferred.

This proposal would cost you $1200 for the servos and drives and about $695 for Mach4, an ESS, two BoBs and a Lattepanda. This assumes you have a monitor and keyboard that you
could re-purpose. Not far off $2000.

Is this within your means? What would your machine be worth once its done?

Craig



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Hi,
it does at that! I've got a dual core Atom MiniITX board so not as kool (or powerful) as the LattePanda
but it does the business on my machine good-oh despite being such a low powered PC.

If you want a bit more grunt look at the UDOO series, they allow you to fit your own SSD or hard drive.

https://www.lattepanda.com/products/3.html

Craig

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Hi,
once you get away from the parallel port and use an external motion controller like the ESS or a UC300 then
you can use just about ANY PC you like....you know the one that the kids have left in the dust because its
three years old....just perfect.

It does have to be a PC, that is a Windows operating system. ARM processors wont do it and at this stage
Linux is not a go either....although according to smurph it may happen yet!

The little LattePanda I linked to is about 4 inches square, has an Arduino built in and Windows 10 Enterprise
pre-installed and activated for $209.

Craig

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Hi,
I like the Ethernet SmoothStepper (ESS) by Warp9. Its not the only choice but it is a good one amongst other good ones!
It will give you up to six co-ordinated axes....enough?

One, or if you want some more inputs, two BoBs, the old parallel port types plugged into the ESS and your set to go.
They can pulse at 4Mhz, 160 times faster than a parallel port and it allows you to use a late model PC like the LattePanda
I linked to.

I think the Mitutoyo scales and counter unit can be run as a separate system. A little bit of electronic trickery might be
required to get the scale to talk to Mach but is possible.

I personally think Mach4 is appropriate for new projects. Mach3 afficionados will disagree (i used to be one myself) but its so much
more flexible and stable.

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach 4 THC
« on: May 24, 2018, 10:26:01 PM »
Hi Steve,
yeah that out-of-band thing is a clever idea. If I'm not mistaken there are already APIs for just
that thing.

Sounds like my thinking was not so far off the beaten track....usually my thinking is not so much left
field... but off the planet!

Craig

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Hi,
those servos are going to suck current like no ones business, I came to 32A at rated power.

I think you are buying into trouble....ditch the DC servos and get the current thing, they will last the life of the
machine. Additionally they have control and reporting modes that DC servos have never had.

I would go for 400W 200V DMM servos and matching drives...$1200 and you're out of there! No shagging
around with old s*********t!

Craig

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Hi,
rough calculations:

23/12= 1.92 ft.lb approx 2.2Nm

3500/60 =58 revs/sec
58 X 2 x 3.141 = 364 radians/sec

POWER= torque x speed
           = 2.2 X 364
           = 801W

Hey, those servos have got some serious grunt.... you'll want 750W units to match them, a bit
more than I allowed for. You could run 400W units but may not have quite the sting as the
current configuration. Plenty of blokes dream of having 400W servos on their axes...750W will
really make that mill sing...probably well more than is required for hobby purposes.

Craig

4480
Hi,
I have a couple of corrcections.

The LattePanda 4/64G is $149 without Windows activation, $209 with activation.

DMM 400W 60V servo $147
DMM DYN2 drive to suit $138 for a total of $285

for the high voltage setup, ie 230V input, no power supplies etc
DMM 400W 200V servo $177
DMM DYN4 200V drive $218 for a total of $395

You'd also need a couple of BoBs so posibly as much as another $100 for good ones.

Craig

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