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Hi,
my understanding, I wish I'd kept the article from which it came, is that no matter what microstepping regime you have in place your effective resolution
is that of half stepping. The only way to really increase resolution is to have gear reduction. Your machine is and has been fine with 16 microsteps, I suggest
leave it that way but realize the true (or reliable) resolution is that of 1/2 steps.

You have already established that a small difference in mechanical conditions can change the machine. If there were zero friction, zero load and zero inertia then you could get your
0.0008 inch resolution, more realistically you might get 0.0016 inch but can probably guarantee no better than 0.0064 inch.


I use Vexta 5 phase steppers on a low lash 10:1 planetary gearbox. The 5 phase steppers are natural 500 steps per revolution or 0.72 degree. With the gearbox
that becomes 0.072 degree per step, or 5000 steps per rev. I have 5mm pitch ground ballscrews and have a step/unit of 1000 steps per mm. I could if I used
1/2 stepping improve the resolution to 0.0005 mm or 2000 steps/mm. The planetary gearbox have a maximum of 3 arc minutes of backlash or the equivalent
of 0.0007 mm or 0.7um. It didn't seem sensible to me to try to have a resolution finer than the potential backlash.

I have good and reliable resolution but because of the gearing its quite slow. My stepper and drivers go 2400 rpm no trouble so with the gear reduction that's 240 rpm
of the ballscrew, at 5mm pitch that is 1200mm per minute. You don't get something for nothing.

Craig

4462
Hi,
are you using microstepping?

Your XY steppers may have 425oz.in torque between full steps and likely to have very close to that between 1/2 steps but between microsteps very much less.

Lets say the rotor is currently on a full step position. The current in winding A is max while current in winding B is zero. If an 1/8 (8 microstepping assumed) step move is called the current in
A will reduce to about 7/8 of max and in B up to about 1/8 of max. The torque acting on the rotor trying to get it to move is about 1/8 of rated torque, ie only 53oz.in
If the drag or load is such that 53 oz.in is not enough to move the axis it will stay still. If another 1/8 step move is called  the current in A will reduce to 3/4 max and
in B increase to 1/4 of max and the torque will be about 1/4 of rated or 106oz.in. This will probably be enough to move the axis and so it will move two microsteps,
this one and the one it missed previously.

Microstepping is vey good a smoothing motion and suppressing vibrations but it is not a good method for increasing resolution. The above example is why. The torque between
adjacent microsteps is very poor and cannot be relied on. Torque between full steps can. In fact torque between half step can also usually be relied on to move.

May I suggest do the calculation 'what is the resolution of my machine if I can rely on half stepping only' It may well be much less resolution than you expected and may describe the discrepencies
you see.

Craig

4463
Hi,
I was looking at the pics you posted and I think the data you posted about the existing servos is wrong.

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V/1000RPM: 7

In the pic it shows the BEMF/1000RPM as 39V

Which is correct?

I found this:
https://www.motortong.com/tseries/24248/GM4020.html
which suggests 955W output. If that is the case you'd either have to consider gear reduction to use 400W servos or use 750W servos. Either way this
is likely to alter the cost of conversion.

Craig

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Mach3 under Vista / Re: Change Inches to MMs
« on: May 25, 2018, 06:02:02 PM »
Hi,
that rather suggests your steps per unit value is in inches also.

Issue an MDI
G0 X0
G0 X1
how far does the x axis move? If it moves one inch then effectively your steps per unit is 25,4 times to big.

Craig

4465
Hi,
I see the DMM 400W 200V servos are $177 whereas the DHT 750W servo is only $194, an extra $17....

Craig

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Mach3 under Vista / Re: Change Inches to MMs
« on: May 25, 2018, 02:45:05 PM »
Hi,
the DROs just display numeric text, could it be that the machine is in fact in mm but the steps per unit are such that they give you the impression that the numbers reflect inches not mm?
Look on the Settings tab, lower RH corner. What is indicated as units?

Craig

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Mach3 under Vista / Re: Change Inches to MMs
« on: May 25, 2018, 11:18:14 AM »
Hi,
Config/Select Native Units sets the units which you tune your motors and set soft limits etc. Set them once then leave it alone.

Config/General Config.... near the centre is a text box 'Initialisation String' put a G21 in there with whatever else is already there. This is a string of instructions that Mach runs
when it powers up. G21 should cause all the DROs to display in mm.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 to Mach3
« on: May 25, 2018, 10:58:41 AM »
Hi,
one last thing is that there are a lot of Chinese ripoffs on sale in places like Amazon and EBay.

Buy direct from the manufacturer or their nominated distributor.

I saw one recently that claimed there was a Canadian made Ethernet SmoothStepper inside.......unless Canada has become a province of China then its an absolute
lie.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 to Mach3
« on: May 25, 2018, 10:51:29 AM »
Hi,

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The reason for my question, is that I am getting a 4 Axis Router with a Rotary, and if I have understood it correctly, then there are or can be some problems with Mach4 and Rotary's, is that correct?
No, Mach4 handle 4 axes no problems but it can't really draw a toolpath very well. The motion is fine.

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Another thing I have seen which can have a problem is a Wireless remote and Mach4.
I suspect you are talking about the XHC wireless pendant. A forum member has made a Mach4  plugin for one model of XHC pendant and may work with the wireless model as well
but it is not made by XHC itself. Hard to recommend. I don't like wireless pendants anyway......trust your machine to a wireless connection......I value my fingers, hands and other parts
of my body.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 to Mach3
« on: May 25, 2018, 10:43:16 AM »
Hi Klaus,
to my knowledge there is only one Chinese company that produces a Mach4 capable controller and they don't work at all well. AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE!.
If you read any of my other posts you'll find I am pretty scathing of Chinese made gear so you may and probably should consider what I say with some
suspicion.

All external motion controllers require a plugin, its software that allows Mach to talk to the control board. Most control boards will work with both
Mach3 OR Mach4 if you have the right plugin.

I use an Ethernet SmoothStepper by Warp9. They make two models, the Ethernet connected ESS, and the USB connected USS. The USS works with Mach3 only,
so you want the  ESS, it will works well with either Mach3 OR Mach4.
https://warp9td.com/

PoKeys make several boards that are capable of Mach3 OR Mach4. The 57CNCdb25 is a single 'port' device whereas the 57CNC has over 50 IO pins. They
have a good reputation for quality and support and the 57CNC is very flexible.
https://www.poscope.com/

CNCDrive make the UC100, a single 'port' device and the UC300 board with five 'ports'. They have Mach3 and Mach4 plugins. They are good quality and have
good backup. The Mach4 plugin is fairly new and not as developed as some of the others in this list.
https://www.cncdrive.com/

Vital Systems make the Hicon board, very good quality with both Mach3 OR mach4 plugins. It is the most expensive one in this list but is also the most developed
and polished unit. Good backup.
http://www.vitalsystem.com/portal/index.php

PMDX have been in the business of making Mach boards for a long time and the PMDX-411 which has one 'ports' worth of IO or the PMDX-422 which has two 'ports'
worth of IO are popular but have a Mach4 only plugin. Very good quality and support.
https://www.pmdx.com/

XHC is a Chinese company that make boards for Mach3 and other models for Mach4. I think they're rubbish, If you get one your on your own....a lot of Chinese
manufacturers don't bother to help you. AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE!
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,36023.0.html

CSLabs is a Polish company that make very good boards, their Mach3 plugin is good. Their Mach4 plugin is not and for some reason they don't seem to be very interested in
fixing it, they used to be very good. They are very expensive and given the cost they should support their boards well but are not . Hard to recommend.
https://en.cs-lab.eu/

Craig

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