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General Mach Discussion / Re: CS Labs CSMIO/P-A
« on: July 16, 2018, 09:28:53 AM »
Hi,
well if the CSMIO is natively single ended then OP should wire the input of the drive the same way.

According to the manual take Command Lo to 0V, Command Hi to the output of the CSMIO and common both 0V.
You need to set a command of 10V so that the servo goes to max speed, ie will have to disconnect from the leadscrew.
The Command Gain pot should then set the max output voltage which is proportional to speed.

Craig

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Hi,
OK you could probe the board direct but its easy to slip and create a fault. Fitting two short ribbon cables and then piercing the insulation
is safest. In absence of that have a look at the ESS diagnostic.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CS Labs CSMIO/P-A
« on: July 16, 2018, 08:13:04 AM »
Hi,
looks like these drives can have a velocity characteristic which requires a tach, or a torque characteristic that doesn't require a tach.
The difference is determined by the 'personality' board installed in the drive.

Are the drives and servos matched? Are they complete with all their original bits?
Are the tachs hooked up? Is it possible to wire them backwards?

The Command input is differentially signaled, ie two inputs command hi and command lo. You can wire them single ended as well....how have you
wired them? Be accurate about this, sketch it, check it, check it again, and check it a third time.

How is the CSMIO output configured....differential or single ended? There again no guessing....either sketch it and check the sketch per above or direct
from the CSMIO manual.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Knocking X axes, whats going on ??
« on: July 16, 2018, 07:54:57 AM »
Hi,

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Also I just notice my elephant drives are set for 1000 pulses per revolution, should that be around 2000 ??
This refers to micro stepping. A two phase (normal) stepper motor requires 200 full steps to turn one revolution, that's 1.8 degress
per step.

Stepping a motor backwards and forward with full steps is pretty harsh and you end up getting resonances at moderate speeds, all
in all not too good. Just about all stepper drivers offer microstepping to overcome this. It will break each full step into a number of smaller
steps and its a lot smoother.

Sounds like your Elephant drives have 5 micro steps, so each full step is broken into five smaller ones so it will take 5 X 200= 1000 pulses to get your stepper
to rotate once.

The most common microstepp regimes are 2,4,8,16,32...... and less commonly 5 or 10. These ratios result in pulses per rev of:
400, 800, 1600, 3200...... and 1000, 2000.

Its nice to think that your stepper has a lot more resolution. Say you have set it up for 3200 pulses/rev or 0.115 degrees per step. Unfortunately it doesn't
work like that although there are plenty of people who believe it does. There is a very good reason that this is the case...but I can't be bothered trotting it out
unless you really want to know. Its reasonable to expect 1/2 (400 steps) and maybe 1/4 (800 steps)and maybe even 1/5 (1000 steps)microstepping to genuinely
increase resolution but not more.

For this reason most CNCers opt for a microstepping regime of 1/5 or 1/10 or 1/8 or 1/16. With these ratios you get useful and genuine increase in resolution
with much improved smoothness. You can make it even smoother by having 1/32 or 1/64 microstepping but you don't get any better resolution and you run into
pulse speed limitations for little gain.

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I am also running at 33,000 HZ
This is the kernel speed of Machs parallel port. It means the fastest pulse stream your parallel port can produce is 33kHz.

Lets say your Elephant drives are set up for 1000 pulse/rev. Mach could possibly drive them at 33,000 pulse a second or 33 revs per second
or 1980 rpm. Plenty quick for a stepper, in fact most steppers lose a lot of torque by 500 rpm and very few will run reliably above 1000 rpm.

If you set up your drives for 1/32 microstepping or 6400 pules/rev then Mach could drive  your stepper to 33000 /6400 = 5.15 revs/sec or
309 rpm. You can see that by increasing the microstepping you run the risk of not being able to drive your steppers fast enough.

Just as a matter of interest an ESS, which of course doesn't have to rely on the PC's CPU to generate pulse streams can pulse up to 4Mhz,
that's 121 times faster than your parallel port. The ESS is quick, in fact, one of the quickest modestly priced motion controllers. Galill is even
quicker at 22MHz!!!! of course it is several thousand dollars too.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CS Labs CSMIO/P-A
« on: July 16, 2018, 02:48:21 AM »
Hi,
what model motors do you have?
Do they have a Tacho?
Is the Tacho hooked up?

When you hooked up the 9V battery the servo should have gone nuts, nearly full speed, if it didn't you have a problem that must be sorted
before hooking it to the CSMIO.

To what terminals did you hook the battery?

Note there are Hi and Lo Tach terminals and Hi and Lo Command terminals....you want Command terminals.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Help with Homeing ?
« on: July 16, 2018, 12:57:41 AM »
Hi,
no I haven't.

Leadshine AM882's enjoy a good reputation for around $80.

Craig

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Hi,
I suppose its not impossible that Mach is going cranky but if that were so many hundreds of users would
be reporting such a fault.

Can you probe (carefully!!!) one of the signals but between the C25 and the ESS. Maybe get a really fine
needle or pin and push it through the insulation of the ribbon cable wire corresponding to the input you choose to monitor.

My reason for suggesting this is to establish whether the breakout board is faithfully transmitting TO the ESS.

I guess the next place to look is the ESS diagnostics page. Take a look at the page and see if the ESS is faithfully
reporting its state transmitted to it from the BoB.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Help with Homeing ?
« on: July 16, 2018, 12:20:15 AM »
Hi,
I switched to Mach4 a couple of years ago with an ESS as motion controller. I personally believe the combination
is very much more stable and predictable by comparison to Mach3 and two parallel ports, not that I too
many problems with them either, but still Mach4/ESS is better.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Help with Homeing ?
« on: July 15, 2018, 11:36:46 PM »
Hi,

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So Mach 3 cant really do what i want it to do ?? I am using parallel ports
That is not correct, if you add the code Gerry recommended it would work fine. If you were
to buy a motion controller that supports 'remote homing' would another alternative.

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i am starting to think i am wasting my time with mach 3 and should move to mach 4
Mach4 does not do 'remote homing' natively either. The programming and customisation abilites
of Mach4 make it very easy to do however, and conceptually identical to Gerry's suggestion.
Alternately you would have to buy motion controller that supports 'remote homing' directly.

Neither Mach3 or Mach4 are magic, you can't just dream up an idea and expect that either the software
or the hardware support it.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CS Labs CSMIO/P-A
« on: July 15, 2018, 09:40:22 PM »
Hi hughes674,
can you post the details of the servos and especially the servo amps?

Pics, manuals and anything else you've got.

Craig

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