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Messages - Jeff_Birt

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SmoothStepper USB / Re: Ess and parallel port
« on: August 19, 2012, 07:10:53 PM »
Just use a LPH26 to DB25 cable and put a DB25 connector on your cabinet for your MPG.

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SmoothStepper USB / Re: Ess and parallel port
« on: August 19, 2012, 09:19:56 AM »
You're using all three ports on three ESS?

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Backlash compensation
« on: August 14, 2012, 12:56:44 PM »
Glad to hear you are getting it sorted Bob. I figured something was amiss as what you were seeing was different that the norm on Taig machines. I would not have guessed as the spacer plates being missing though. On the coupling straws I have found that keeping the gap less than the recommended 1/16" really helps. Also make sure that the end of the leadscrew (or nylock nut) is not actually touching the stepper shaft. Sometimes it takes me a few tries to get the coupler half on the stepper motor in just the right place so as to ensure a small gap between them. If they touch you can actually put enough pressure on the stepper shaft to cause problems. I have also tried a few alternative couplers be have never been happy with the results.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Emergency Stop in Mach 3
« on: August 08, 2012, 03:54:33 PM »
Nothing in Mach itself is an 'Emergency Stop'. An Emergency Stop generally removes all power form the things that move and must work irrespective of any software, or the PC itself working. The Stop button in Mach is just that, a Stop now button. It ceases all movement immediately (so you can loose position.) Think of it like Mach having a Play, Pause, and Stop buttons like on a CD player. Pressing stop, may not in some cases, stop a malfunctioning CD player but pulling the power cord from the wall will. An Emergency Stop is like pulling the power cord.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: USB vs PS2 (keyboard & mouse)
« on: August 02, 2012, 09:31:45 AM »
USB devices can be overcome by noise easier then PS2, it can be hard getting a motherboard with PS2 jacks though. You can get a two port PS2/USB converter that will handle your PS2 mouse and keyboard though.

I have a small florescent light above my work bench whose ballast is slowly going bad. If I turn it on/off all the USB  devices on my shop PC will cut out. The light was injecting some noise back on the mains that was making its way through the PC power supply and onto the 5V USB bus (had a brief 8VPP spike!) I added a line filter before the PC and solved most of the problem.

Getting rid of the source of the noise is usually the best option, but if you can't a PS2 keyboard might be a better choice than USB.

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SmoothStepper USB / Re: Using port 3 as generic IO
« on: August 01, 2012, 11:31:06 AM »
They are just like any other input. Use them as Port 3 Pin 1, Port 3 Pin 2, Port 3 Pin 3 in Mach. They are pulled up like most other inputs on the SmoothStepper.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Backlash compensation
« on: July 31, 2012, 12:20:04 PM »
Bob, I have no idea why you would not believe me about what backlash I'm seeing. I'm telling you what I see on multiple machines which is also what Taig says it will so. It sounds like your just pushing things beyond their mechanical design.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Backlash compensation
« on: July 28, 2012, 06:33:10 PM »
With software backlash comp the controller is guessing about how to compensate for the backlash. Let's same you home your machine, it runs toward the home swtich, hits it and then backs off. At this point Mach knows which side of the backlash will be on (toward the home switch.) Anytime the axis reverses Mach will throw in some extra steps on that axis to take up the backlash. There are two big problems with this approach:

1) The amount of backlash you program into Mach must be exact. If you machine has more or less backlash than you program in Mach will be adding the wrong number of steps at each axis reversal.
2) The forces of the cutting process tend to push the table around so there is no way to tell where an axis really is so the backlash compensation will likely make things worse. If you have every been climb milling on an old manual mill you have likely seen the table jump like this.

I had a chance to meet the guys from Tormach at the CNC Workshop. Nice guys and nice machines. With a larger, more rigid machine that that you can take much larger cuts than you can on a Taig. Unless your using only really small bits I wouldn't guess that the 10K spindle speed would be limiting.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Backlash compensation
« on: July 28, 2012, 05:14:14 PM »
Bob there is no need to be snide. I'm trying to help and by saying "you doing 'something' wrong" I'm meaning to imply that your results are not typical. (I was not trying to be rude.)

I do have to doubt your 20,000 hour estimate though, that would be 833 days of use 24 hours a day. So unless you have run your machine for more than 2.5 years non stop, or five years twelve hours a day then your estimate is a bit high. I think though that your point is that you run your machine a lot and judging my all the neat molds I have seen pictures of I would guess you do run it many hours.

I'm also not sure what your getting on about with your 250 IPM quip, again rudeness is not required. As is clearly stated in the video and in what I have written about it is that the point was to show big stepper motors are not required to obtain high speeds. As I said in the video it is not recommended.

For the last six months I've had my machine set for 85IPM rapids and generally cut anywhere from 4~30IPM in aluminum. I work mostly with aluminum but do plastics, steels and PCBs on occasion. Acceleration is about 10 i/s/s. Before that, for the last three years or so, it has been set to rapid around 50 IPM. I raised it to 85IPM when helping a customer tune his machine for best performance when doing lithopanes. With this machine I lube the leadscrews and ways about every 8 hours with automatic transmission fluid. On occasion I'll run an exercise program to run each axis from limit to limit to make sure the lubrication is well distributed.

I have another Taig with the MM2000 controller that is not capable of the high rapids but its cuttings speeds are similar. It is set up with flood cooling so it gets lubricated about twice as often. Both machines use the stock spindle motor and spindle. Both machines use bits from teeny-tiny sizes to 3/8"

As I recall Bob you do a lot of 3D profile work which can take many hours of continuous running. If your running these long sessions you would want to stop every now and again to lube things up or fit your machine with an automatic oiler. This is what I was getting at asking about how often you lubricate the machine and with what sort of lubrication. Lack of lubrication will wear things out in a hurry and this would be my first guess as to a cause. Cutting a small aluminum mold could take 20-30 hours and if your not stopping to relube every 4-5 hours you will wear things out quickly.

Large stepper motors can put more strain on drive components. Some folks have problems on some small machines breaking stepper couplers that were designed for 150oz-motor because they are using much larger motors. If your spindle motor is much more powerful than the stock Taig unit and your combining that with large stepper motors to get fast cutting rates with a large cutter than you could just be applying more force to the leadscrew/nut than they were designed to handle. This may be a contributing factor but I'm still guessing that it is lack of lubrication.

You could fit an automatic oiler to your machine but it is sounding like you might be growing out of it. A small Haas or similar machine might be better suited to the type of work you are doing and your need for a stronger spindle.

Good luck...

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Backlash compensation
« on: July 28, 2012, 02:42:48 PM »
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Unfortunately if I do that the machine exhibits excessive wear and loss of consistency within a few hours of machine time.  If I leave the backlash at about .005 to .01 excessive wear or change in backlash takes a about 20 hours of machine time. 


Then you are doing 'something' wrong. I set my Taigs so the backlash is under 0.001" and it will stay that way for hundreds of hours. I do have a tendency of moving my fixtures and vise around so that I use the entire length of the screw, not just a few inches in the center. How often are you lubricating things and what type of lubrication do you use?

You are never going to get 0.005"~0.010" of backlash out with open loop software compensation it will just not work as the table is pushed around by the cutting forces.