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VB and the development of wizards / Re: OEM Buttons ???

« on: July 15, 2010, 10:36:18 AM »

HIYA DAVE good explanation of the term but not the application(;-)  Most all of the "NEW" machines I have seen or run lately seemed to follow the buggy whipper mode so I don't think it is quite obsolete YET. Yes they have improved the actual button switch mode BUT it still says Cycle Start on the button.

There is still a great deal of if its not broke don't fix it "wisdom" loose in the machine world today . Thank Goodness(;-)

BUT back to the original question, The idea was to "USE" an existing function call that is already in use by "VB and Brians". Even if it meant possible EXPANDING its scope a bit. Rather than creating an all new approach that  stilll can't be called from a Brain(;-)

Nothing More Nothing less

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VB and the development of wizards / Re: OEM Buttons ???

« on: July 15, 2010, 09:19:19 AM »

Hiya Tweakie, It is a long running joke between us. A buggy whipper is an old machinist that grew up in CNC and tinks and dreams in Gcode. They rarely need a High end Gameboy type graphics program runnning on the screen to know what they are working on OR to know if the machine is doing what it is suppose to do. They have the blueprint in the job package and KNOW how to read it. Buttons with names like like Cycle start, feedhold,block delete, dry run, rewind make perfect sense.

The GameBoy Driver on the other hand HAS to have a full high end graphs display running in conjuntion with full all axis DRO dispayed. That way the machine DRAWS you a picture as it runs so you know where you are at and where it is suppose to go.

 AND you cant push a button unless it is shaded and boxed in. Also the button can't have names they MUST have fancy Icons in order for the NEW cnc machinst to understand what they are for.  Also need are fancy Birght colored flashy things for controlls that constatinly go blinky blinky.

In the old days a Blinking light meant you had serious problems. If you had NO lights blinking you were good to go. SIMPLE concept(;-)

Buggy Whippers understand Numbers in computer code. GameBoy drivers have to have to declare what they useing in stead of a numer and use a substitute then they assign a LONG drawn out abbreviated name to that number substitute so they can remember what is they were suppose to do with it.

Buggy way
  SetParam(10,GetOemDro(10)/2)

Game way

Dim newway as double
Dim NewStylenumberthat youneed to use   as double
Dim Anumberusedasadivisorinyourformula as double
NewwayTO doThings= Getoemdro(10)
Anumberusedasadivisorinyourformula= 2
NewStylenumberthatyouneedtouse = (NewwayToDOThings / Anumberusedasadivisorinyourformula)
SetParam(10,"") & NewStylenumberthatyouneedtouse

(;-) Remember it is a long standing joke don't take it TOO seriously, I do have ALL the respect in the world for Daves work. Even IF it is Gamboyish in nature(;-) AND I hope he knows I will help him get up to speed if he wants to be a real cnc machinist BUGGY WHIPPER style.

 

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VB and the development of wizards / Re: OEM Buttons ???

« on: July 15, 2010, 08:23:21 AM »

HiYa Dave,  HUM

Lets see  I could do this

DoOemButton(444)   (Simple Call)     or

RunScript(GetMainFolder() & "\TerrysMacros\" & "DispenseIceCream.m1s")     (Reminds me of Egyptian hieroglyphics)

Modern is not always better and change for the sake of change is rarely productive. IF the wheel turns smoothly DON"T cut a flat spot in it just because you got a new saw. On the other hand IF the wheel is squeeky and drags a bit DO put some grease in the bearing.

The problem with Brians IS you cannot call a script to terminate a function. Art left that part out of the ladder structure before he retired. AND it would be darn handy to have when you have to do a work around.

Metal as a matter of fact I do still use a lot of chromeoly that has been around for ages and gues what it STILL works great.

Buggywhipper ??  Better to be an old buggywhipper than a GAMEboydriver.   

Take Care(;-) TP

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VB and the development of wizards / Re: OEM Buttons ???

« on: July 14, 2010, 10:39:23 PM »

DAVE if in VB I say   DoOembutton(100) I can get a Machfunction. The question was can you create your own OemButton() to do a function(not an internall mach function) AND it be callable from VB or BRAINS for that matter.  That way you only create the piece of code once AND Can call it into use with a simple DoOemButton(444).

"InvokeMachFunctionByPassingMagicNumber should read    "InvokeFunctionByUSINGaScreenButtonPlacedOnaScreenKnownByTheMAGICBUTTONNumber()"  EXACTLY what we were looking for(;-) Can you fix that up for us?

And Yes numbers make perfect sense to a CNC programmer everything we program in is numbers, Gcode,vars,parameters, gotos,subs,etc.

(;-) TP

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VB and the development of wizards / OEM Buttons ???

« on: July 14, 2010, 08:44:42 PM »

ANYONE know HOW to create an OEM BUTTON that can be called from VB??

(;-)

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General Mach Discussion / Re: pause button

« on: July 14, 2010, 07:39:43 PM »

The look ahead also stacks the ouput buffer based partly on the look ahead size. The more look ahead the larger the buffer load to a point. That is why a large look ahead may take longer to respond to a feedhold. Where as a short look ahead responds faster.

(;-)

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Gantry Alignment Issue

« on: July 13, 2010, 11:06:05 PM »

The only way I know is to refhome the axis or shut down the drives and relax the gantry, then move to the other end slowly(;-) and setup 2 dial indicators one on each side Zero the dials.

Then move back to the far end and command a fast move(wide open) to the other end towards the dials stopping just short of the dials then finish the move slowly to the ref point and check the dials for zero. G1 moves only at max feedrate.

Just curious but in the setup of the axis and slave is the step and dir active Hi/low the same for both the slave and master? some drives are sensitive to this setting.

Also the Gantry will have the largest amount of inertia loads Far more than Y. This may effect your acelleration settings. Try slowing down the accell and retest.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Mentor2 Spindle Drive - Using 'Speed Achieved'

« on: July 13, 2010, 09:38:24 PM »

Sub Main()
Line# = GetDro(16)               'GetCurrent line#
DoSpinCW()                'Start Spindle
Sleep(3000)               'Wait for spindle to spool
If GetOemDro(11) = 1 And Isactive(input2) Then  GoTo 2   'Check inputs if good then else
 Message" Spindle Failed To SPOOL UP"
 GoTo 3
2:
 Message"Spindle Good for M3 start"
   GoTo 4
 3:
 DOButton(1)               'Feedhold
While Ismoving()
Sleep(1000)
Wend
 DoButton(3)               'Stop
 DoButton(2)                 'Rewind
MSGBOX ("Spindle Failed To Spool Up On Line#") &  Line#     'Message to
Goto4                                                                                                                                                                                                         
4:           
 End Sub
 End


(;-) GOOD catch Hood , yep need to WAIT until the feedhold stops motion.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Gantry Alignment Issue

« on: July 13, 2010, 09:31:20 PM »

Are both axis loosing steps or just 1?

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General Mach Discussion / Re: pause button

« on: July 13, 2010, 09:23:54 PM »

Amir you may have to drop your look ahead down to 1 to get a faster pause.