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Newfangled Solutions Mach3 Wizards / Threading Multiple Start
« on: December 09, 2011, 05:44:06 PM »
I need to cut a slot / thread for a new spindle mount that is 1" pitch, but two start.  Each start is 180 degrees apart.  I figured out how to cut the feed slot using the threading wizard, but I see no way to turn the job 180 degrees.  I do not want to rotate the part.  I took a great deal of care to true it up and have several other MOPs to follow that while not critical position is important. 

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General Mach Discussion / Screens for Dummies
« on: July 16, 2011, 03:38:30 PM »
Is there an Idiot's Guide to creating screens? 

I'm at the point where I know what I want to do for my main screen.




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Well, I have done a bunch of cuts since then that were in this time frame, but I just set a new personal records.  Over a million lines of code. 

I would actually have to add up the lines from seven GCODE files to see how many lines it takes to cut this part, but the finish pass file only with a high resolution is 1,118,540 lines. 

P.S.  I seem to recall complaining a while back about running over a day and the hour meter not showing it right, but that seems to have changed in the latest version I have installed.  It now shows a day counter digit.  This finish pass takes 27 hours to run.  Thanks guys. 

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Life Meter (No, Not Mario Bros)
« on: May 16, 2011, 01:23:40 PM »
SO other than the Spindle hours do not seem to work what about the manitanance page does not work for you?

(;-) TP

Since I just found aout about it I don't know, but I'll do some tests.  I'm doing a tear down on the Taig right now and making some major changes to it, but as soon as its back up I'll find out.  Should be pretty easy to test distance with some test code. 


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General Mach Discussion / Re: Life Meter (No, Not Mario Bros)
« on: May 15, 2011, 01:17:15 AM »
So you don't think it is possible to establish a base of something like, "Gee I can be pretty much sure its not going to be out of acceptable spec for 5000 inches of travel," or "since the bearings in the spindle have never gone out of acceptable spec in less than 500 hours I should never have to worry about bearings if I change them every 500 hours"?

???  

I think my brother in law would disagree with you.   I certainly disagree with you.  

OT:  As far as I know Boeing doesn't make any of those parts except design and prototypes.  They contract them out to companies like the one where my brother in law works.  Even a lot of the prototype stuff they send out to job shops.  If you wonder why I said this reread what I actually wrote.  

Back on topic.  Like I said.  If you want to predict the exact moment of failure you will fail.  In this small and very narrow precise definition I agree with you.  That is not MY definition or goal.  

However for example, if I keep track of how long it is before spindle bearings start to increase runout beyond what I am willing to settle for, and wear out four sets of spindle bearings with a life of:

(Purely for illustration purposes)
750 Hours
1000 Hours
680 Hours
1100 Hours

I can establish a baseline that I should never have any problems unless there is a major crash to cause them in less than 500 hours.  I don't care if its a $99 Bosch Colt Router or a $10K 10 Kw water cooled 3 phase spindle.  If in my example I replace bearings every 500 hours I should never have a problem with bearings under "normal" use.  I should of course note and log any major crashes or replace any components that I feel may be negatively impacted.  The figures 500 hours and 5000 inches are used purely for illustrative purposes.  

I can also use this to establish "value" to determine over time if a stock bearing, hybrid sealed bearing, or full ceramic bearing is a better long term value when comparing cost to life expectancy.  Two sealed full ceramic bearings for a Bosch Colt router cost almost 2 and a half times the price of the router, but if my "safe" limit is 10K hours out of them and get a "safe" limit of 500 hours out of the stock bearings they're more than worth it.  

While lead screws and nuts like the crappy V leads and pinch nuts on the Taig might seem harder predict the same data gathering can be performed over time.  I may not be able to predict that it will go bad at a particular time, I can certainly find a life/inches of travel where it almost never goes beyond my acceptable tolerance, and use that as the baseline to adjust the pinch nuts, gibbs, and bearings per axis.    

I might add that I have already established a "feel" for some of this.  The Taig has been on 3 different computers now so I can't give you the total number of hours its been powered up, but after Hood pointed me in the right direction I discovered that this computer has been running Mach 3 for over 2300 hours. I estimate that is about 87-90% actual running time.  I do not leave Mach open when I am not running a job.  It was on its previous computer for a substantially longer calendar period, so its probably got around 4000 hours of actual run time on it.  

In the past when I was just using the machine to play and learn it was no big deal, but now I am more and more concerned with preventable crashes and failures as I run it longer at a time and much more often.  Its just a matter of whether trying to push it to the longer limits is worth more than the wasted time when it fails and destroys a work piece VS changing the components and making adjustments within the established "safe" period.    

I'll continue to try not to destroy work pieces if I can prevent it in my way.  I think that this type of data and record keeping can help work to establish a tolerance life with a Taig, a Haas, a Hurco, or a building size custom built machine.  It does require some diligence and recording keeping.  As a hobbyist being miserly with my time I may not want to do that, but I firmly believe it can be done and its is a useful tool.  If I start making money and find a niche business then it becomes much more important.  

If you still disagree so be it, then we are just going to have to disagree then.  Mach 3 does have a time and distance log.  Somebody besides me must have thought it was useful.  

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Life Meter (No, Not Mario Bros)
« on: May 15, 2011, 12:08:36 AM »
Operator menu then Maintenance Hours may be what you are looking for.
Hood

Thanks Hood.  Not as comprehensive as I hoped, but much better than I expected.  

Been my experience that you can never predict when mechanical devices will wear out or break down. After a lot of wear cycles you will get a better idea, but you just never know. Leadscrews for example, never get used at a constant rate, lot of rapids, hard cutting, slow movement.

Well, yes and no.  If you always try to push things to the last possible instant before it fails it is going to be hard to predict, but I have talked to a lot of people in manufacturing who use automated systems of various types including building size 5 and 6 axis CNC machines to make jet engine parts and most of them have told me there is a fairly predictable wear to limit of tolerance life for most moving components.  No not precise failure prediction, but it should be good for atleast this long limits.  

My brother in law is a manager for a company that makes major engine components for Boeing, my uncle was the head of R&D at Don Products and headed several departments after they were bought out by USG, and my Grandfather retired from NASA as a research mechanic, amoung others I have had the opportunity to talk with.

While the exact moment of failure is going to be difficult to predict, it will not be so hard to establish a base for, "it will pretty much always be within tolerance for X many hours," or, "you need to increase tolerance testing starting at about X hours or inches of travel."  

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General Mach Discussion / Life Meter (No, Not Mario Bros)
« on: May 14, 2011, 12:20:09 PM »
As I do more and more work with Mach 3 and my little Taig Mill I become more aware of the fact that I really need some better kind of life meter for parts of the mill.  Spindle, lead nut adjustment, etc.  In a conversation about air flow from the internal fan on a Bosch Colt Router (my current choice in high speed spindles) over on news:rec.crafts.metalworking somebody said they thought Mach3 had a spindle life counter or something like that.  Now I am no expert on Mach 3, but I have never seen it if there is. 

Is there something like that in Mach?  If there isn't would that be a good candidate for a future feature addition?  Maybe an option to add and name a life counters to a list with resettable values and triggers? Spindle triggers by S words.  Nuts triggers by code file start and stop.  Etc. 

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I set a new personal record with 358,598 lines of code and a continuous run without a failure.  TWICE (two halves of a mold).

However we have to work on the simulation.  It was off.  I setup Mach on my design computer with the same motor tuning as on the computer I run the Taig with and it was off.  I ran a simulation on a piece of G-code with over 358K lines of code.  The simulation said it should take 18 hrs and 57 minutes.  I set the alarm on my phone and let it run while I had dinner, slept, had breakfast chased down a battery for my bike, worked on another design, had lunch, etc etc...  I was there just before it was supposed to finish, and I had to stand there twiddling my thumbs for 7 hole minutes.  Bogus man!  Bogus.  

LOL.  

Actually, I think that was pretty darn good calculating considering that it took a couple hours for the simulation to run.  

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Pendant
« on: January 22, 2011, 06:48:11 PM »
Well.... actually....  There are some really neat programmable game pads out there that you can program macros into and all kinds of stuff.  Some of the more serious RPG players use them. 

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Pendant
« on: January 22, 2011, 04:51:09 PM »
Hmmm..... i was thinking a little differently.  If you are in step mode, why hot have rotating the jog wheel generate the same keyboard scan code as you are using to step.  Or are you saying even if you do it this way Mach can't keep up with the keyboard buffer? 

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