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Steve,
 The cylinder is 45mm OD. I took a couple of pics so you could see the setup closer, springs are not that strong and I managed to push them down fairly easily with the palm of my hand.
Hood

Mr.Hood, thanks SO much! Looks like I was in the ball park with my WAG. This morning I ordered materials to make the pods and the carousel. Now I can get the springs and other hardware bits on order.

Curiosity, are you going to buy the mill?

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Another BT30 spindle  . . this one in need of TLC, but the price is right . . . .


http://www.ebay.com/itm/150874092526?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

533
Poking around for BT30 stuff and came across this complete spindle and actuator. Good comp.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BT-30-8-000-RPM-SPINDLE-with-AIR-CYLINDER-ASSEMBLY-/300743758615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4605b99317

DWalsh: caution about posting drawings . . . the teacher has a big RED pencil  . . .  a corner chair with dunce cap . . .  and possibly a wooden ruler  . .  and a paddle  :o

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Hood, do you know the spring pressure on those tool carriers? If not then the cyl dia and psi would be enough.

I found a spring that will fit the pods.  As installed would be 45lb closed 72lbs open. Seems like plenty, but would be nice to have real world confirm. Probably the heaviest too I would ever have in there would be only a few pounds, and there is a positive mechanical lock preventing the gripper from moving until the claw grabs it. The claw releases the mechanical interlock after it has the adapter by the groove. Only then can the air cyl move the gripper to release the tool. 

Thx.

Anyone,     I did all of the calculations on the drawbar gripper, but I don't think I need to do any of that for these little guys. I'm not planning to use a sleeve or to harden anything. Just 2 steel balls running right on the 7075-T7 body and held in a 12L14 ball holder should last years I would think.

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Jeez! It would save time if I just post the drawings and get 'approval' before building the parts . . . LOL!

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The ball gripper pod design went fast at first, but bogged down when run against the design goals. . .  positive mechanical lockout and sensors turned out to be a very big challenge. I am not satisfied relying on only electronic safeguards. In my view that is like substituting a proximity warning for a belt guard. Electronics can fail too easily.

After a couple of hours looking at three different methods, one of which is in the photos, everything finally came together with the ball gripper method. I figured out a bulletproof mechanical lockout and a sensor location and the thing is still buildable for less than a million dollars . :P   I shall put a Scottish flag on the finished product.

This project is headed for a significant pause because I am ordering material to make a batch of the new 4th axis next week. When that arrives, I won't have time to play. The BT30 spindle is also sold and ironically, I will be making an identical spindle as I was able to resolve the turret issue. I agreed to the sale so I'm going to honor that, of course, but it will be a setback, schedule wise, to make another spindle for this project.

If I can get a new gripper equipped pod made (NOTHING from the previous prototype pod is useable now), I will post it here. I would like to get one finished so that I can do the proof concept stuff at least, but we'll see how it goes.

Thanks once again for all of the comments and ideas.




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Ha ha ok dope slap needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t45eE6aOWrI
Hood

That video is so close to what I have in mind I can hear the Twilight Zone theme music in my head. The claw does not extend, and the carousel would not need to stop at each tool, . .  and it won't be yellow . . . but otherwise this is extremely close to what I will build.

I've been sitting here doodling and already have a prelim design for a simple ball catch. Very interesting possibility . . . .  but 40 ball grippers?  :'(

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Heres a video of a similar setup that CNCIT on the forum has oon his Beaver mill, you can quite clearly see the cylinder/spring setup.
Hood

Oops . .  no link.

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Looks a nice design however may just throw out another idea. My friends Beaver mills changer uses balls and a small spring  in a similar fashion to your drawbar. There is a small air cylinder above the tool release position so when the correct tool is in position and the clamp is gripping it the cylinder pushes down on the spring and releases the  pullstud, I thought it was quite a nice idea and the spring pressure needed is small so any old valve spring would be more than enough.
Hood
Very interesting. This sounds like it would be a bit more complicated to build and certainly additional cost (so what else is new), but it would solve the *potential* jamming concern. The claw could trip the air cylinder, thereby retaining the automatic 'interlock'. Hmmmm

BTW, it is BR's job to make good suggestions right AFTER the part has been completed . .  if you HELP him . .  I'll never finish anything . .  :D

Hey wait a minute . .  did you just move me from one PDB to SEVEN ??!!  :o




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Picture worth thousand words:

This it the first prototype 'pod'. There would be 6 (or more) of these bolted to the outside of the turret wheel or to the chain belt

The body survived the cut, but the lever is being replaced by a modified design to be more 'jam proof' . . most likely the coil spring will be replaced as well. Note that the tool taper is completely covered and protected and that the tool cannot release from the pod without the catch being retracted (by the claw on the arm).

The pod body is a little complex, but the entire part; OD turn, flat one side, drill and counterbore two 1/4" mounting holes, center drill, 3/4" drill thru center, taper bore center, drill and tap latch pivot mounting hole, can be done with a single setup and a single program on my InTurn™ 4th axis . .   provided I had a working ATC . . . Catch-22.