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Video P*r*o*b*i*n*g / Re: MachCloud point viewer program
« on: June 19, 2008, 01:36:21 AM »
Hey Tom,

Yeah it's hard to see the camera in that shot- it's below the piece of wood below the laser and back about 1".  I'll try to get another pic the next time my scanner is set up

They do NOT intersect @ 90Deg on my rig

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Video P*r*o*b*i*n*g / Re: MachCloud point viewer program
« on: June 19, 2008, 12:59:24 AM »
Yo Baba!

It's been a while since I have done any scanning (been busy on other projects) but I'll try and answer from memory.

Laser is almost directly aove camera- offset maybe a few degrees (there is a photo I posted of this in another thread)  http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,4777.20.html

Camera angle is around 20 Deg
Distance = 10-12"
Camera= Gigaware Webcam- got it from Radio Shack for $20- so far this one works the best.

I'll try and fire up the scanner and get some more info.

HTH,
Sid

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General Mach Discussion / Re: First cut problems
« on: June 16, 2008, 10:33:00 PM »
R U runing a licensed version?  There is a limit on the lines you can run w/o a license and maybe you hit it?

Not sure what you mean by "Save" spindle speed and tool diameter.  Spindle speed is usually a command written into the G-Code of the program you are runing (i.e. S1500)  and tool diameter is usually called with a M6 tool change command using the the tool table.  Or perhaps I am misunderstanding something and you ar referring to compensation?

Regards,
Sid

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Video P*r*o*b*i*n*g / Re: Post your Point Clouds Here!
« on: June 14, 2008, 10:59:27 PM »
Here ya go...

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Cuts getting progressively deeper
« on: June 13, 2008, 11:07:58 PM »
There was another thread awhile back about a dude who was getting inconsistent cuts (sounds like your problem is repeatable though but WTH, I'll throw it out there anyway)  http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,6837.10.html

Basically Chip (He's really the master at this kind of problem) suggested using Sherline 1/2 Pulse mode.  It seemed to help out that dude- maybe it will help you too?

HTH,
Sid

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CV Mode .. thought I understood, but ..
« on: June 08, 2008, 02:25:34 PM »
Not sure how CV works with Lathe.  Seems to me that movements on a lathe are smaller and slower and that generally CV would not be as noticable with a lathe.

All I can say is that I never saw any change in my machine using CV until I checked the plasma mode box and then it all seemed to work. 

All that being said, I still prefer exact stop as I find it to be more predictable.

Sid

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CV Mode .. thought I understood, but ..
« on: June 08, 2008, 08:23:49 AM »
I thought it was just me but, I could never see any effect from CV mode UNLESS I selected the plasma mode.  Untill I checked this box, nothing (& I tried it all) seemed to effect the machine.  As soon as the plasma mode box was checked- BAM things started smoothing out and working in what I assume is a CV manner.

HTH,
Sid

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General Mach Discussion / Re: general problems with mach3
« on: May 23, 2008, 12:33:12 PM »

I have great respect for Art and the Mach software, but I cannot agree with allowing Mach 3 to determine you number of pulses per inch. The only trouble is - if the answer is wrong, how do you know. I appreciate Art was probably trying to simplify things, and he has done in so many other respects.

Jim- are you referring to the 'Set steps per unit' button on the settings page?  If so, I don't really understand why you don't think this is a good method?  Have you ever checked out that process?  It's such an easy way to determine your steps per unit which I have found to be accurate.  I have always used this method and never had any problems.  Is there some kind of flaw that I'm not aware of?

Sid

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General Mach Discussion / Re: general problems with mach3
« on: May 22, 2008, 03:34:08 PM »
Thanks Sid. I initially calibrated the screw by using the math method outlined in Mach setup, basing it on it being in THK catalog as 20 mm lead screw. I did same process for Z axis, a 2 mm lead, and it works fine.

Math is good, Mach is better...  I would suggest getting a set of calipers and go to the settings page in Mach.  There is a button that says 'Set steps per unit'.  Find a piece of wood and put a sharp & pointed bit in your router.  Bring the spindle over the wood and jog the Z axis down until you make a tiny point in the wood, then raise your spindle so the bit is not touching the wood.  Use the "Set steps" utilty (note- you need to click in the "How far box to enter a value).  After the spindle moves, bring your spindle down and make another mark in the wood- use your calipers to measure the distance so you can input back to Mach.  Try doing this a few times using small and large values to see if things are set correctly (you might want to make notes of your current steps per unit setting BEFORE you do this so you can revert/compare.

 
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... and simply ran it again, it didn't line up perfectly. Close, but maybe 1/64 off, more at the end of the program than beginning. .

BUT- did it start out at the exact same place and drift during the cut?  If you stop and re start the program does it begin from the same place?


 
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...  So I rechecked, by zeroing the X axis, issuing G0X0, G0X24 commands, measuring and marking the results. That's when I saw I was way off, getting something like 23.32" of travel rather than 24.

Not totally clear on this?  Way off when you came back to Zero?  Did it come back to the correct Zero position and then only give you 23.32 when you asked for 24.00?

 
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... until I had what seemed like perfect repeatable 24" travel. But a day later, without having ran any more parts, it was different.

In what way? Do you mean that went to a G0 X0 Y0 Z0 ok and then when you asked for a G0 X24 it went to X23.32?


 
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...Now if it were simply a problem of the wrong number of units for motor config, the axis would go precisely to a  specific spot for the G0x24 command, and precisely back to 0 for the G0X0 after, repeatably with perfect precision, if I wasn't losing steps, right?

In theory, Yes.

 
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But what I"m seeing is it goes as close as I can measure to 24" of travel each time, but if I run it a dozen times (g0x0, G0X24) the points it goes to start to drift  a tiny bit, and then a larger bit,  in one direction, both points being off in the same direction, still very close to 24" apart. This means missed steps, right? 

Or like Brett already said, something is slipping somewhere.  I know you mentioned lead screws but how are these coupled to your motors?  Direct drive or are you using pulleys & belts to turn your screw?  If so, maybe a loose pulley or belt?

 
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...Since I used a different driver for the Z axis, maybe I should try attaching the z axis  that and see if I get similar problem. Or simply try different microstep settings. I"m running it at 1/25th.  I put it higher than I would have for my resolution needs (woodworking) because it (X axis) was very grumbly at lower microstep settings at lower speeds. Is this a clue to my problem? 

Unless this is a case of missing steps, which can be determined by the way Zarzul explained, It doesn't really seem like this is a computer/Mach problem since it is not repeatable in a consistent way.  It really seems more mechanical than software- otherwise it would seem that the computer by way of issuing the exact same commands over and over would render the same result (error or otherwise).

We haven't seen your G-code, I suppose there could be something funky (like a scaling command) in there that would cause this type of thing but, again, it would be repeatable.

Sid

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General Mach Discussion / Re: general problems with mach3
« on: May 22, 2008, 01:29:23 AM »
Based on the information you are providing (which is limited and NOT very specific) this is a hard problem to solve.  You need to tell us EXACTLY what you mean by inconsistent results (i.e. I type G01 X5 Y10 in the MDI linbe and the machine moves to X4.95 and Y10.10)

Just off the cuff, it sounds like you have some other software process runing in the background that is interfering with MACH- Quicktime is NOTORIOUS for doing this.  Have you run the driver test utility- have you run the optimoze utility?  How did you calibrate the steps per unit on your machine?  Did you use the utility on settings page?

If you want some help- help us, help you

Sid

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