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General Mach Discussion / Re: CNC'ing both quill and knee
« on: January 22, 2010, 08:22:45 PM »
did you need to use a backlash in mach because of the gears on the knee or do you have a digital readout

Now that I have a quill drive, the knee gets used only for applying tool length compensation, so backlash is not an issue.  All knee moves are upward, even if that means first moving below the target position, then coming back up.  This ensures the (considerably) backlash is always taken up, so no Mach3 backlash compensation is required.  Even before I had the quill drive, the knee backlash was not a problem, since I do only 2.5D milling, so moves to cutting depth were always upwards moves.  I got perfectly good accuracy despite the considerable backlash.

Regards,
Ray L.

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That would suggest your drives are current limiting.  What happens if you connect the motors directly to the power supply?  They should then go full speed.

Yes, they both are current limiting, but it was my impression that this would not effect the voltage. In any case, I don't know why it did not occur to me to connect the 74V PS directly to the motor for testing. I'll do that next.



Simpson,

Motor RPM is a function of voltage.  Current is a function of load.  But, higher voltage, all else being equal, means higher current.  So, the drives seem to be current limiting, unless there is a drive parameter for setting maximum motor voltage?  In any case, your motor seems fine, and you need to figure out why the drive is limiting, be it voltage limiting or current limiting.

Regards,
Ray L.

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Interesting new info. I have the feeling I am asking these question in the wrong place as this forum seems to be 99% steppers, but I'll give it another go.

I checked the PS at the output and both sides are cranking out 74V. Yet the spindle servo motor wires only show 50V at max speed.

The Minarik drive arrived and it's 130VDC output kicked the spindle speed up from 1,300 to 2,700 . .  nice. Yet a voltmeter reads only 105V on the motor wires.

Both the Minarik and the servo drive are PWM, and I recall  reading somewhere that a voltmeter reads PWM inaccurately. Yet it seems that at full speed the PWM should be at 100% and therefor show as the full voltage on a voltmeter.

Adding to the puzzle, the actual motor speed calculates correctly using the actual voltmeter reading and not the theoretical voltage, so it would seem that the motor also sees the voltage at the same level as the voltmeter . . i.e. significantly below the rated voltage of either the servo drive or the Minarik speed controller.

What am I missing here?

Simpson,

That would suggest your drives are current limiting.  What happens if you connect the motors directly to the power supply?  They should then go full speed.

Regards,
RayL.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: What is a good probe to use with Mach?
« on: January 21, 2010, 06:16:31 PM »
Oooo, smoothstepper.  :o  I ran one of those for about 1 day and made the switch to parallel ports.  If you are familiar the smoothstepper "watchdog", as I'm sure you are, I can see how that would lead to lots of such problems.  Not that I'm questioning any of your Mach problems, which I fully plan to read up on, but I wonder if you'd have better luck on parallel ports.

Matt,

The SS has been responsible for relatively few problems, and things were no better with the PP.  If anything, worse.  The "Watchdog" has only kicked in a few times, usually as a side-effect of another problem.

Regards,
Ray L.

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"BTW, I called my tool supplier and asked if they had some cutters with coating for aluminum. The guy there said he never heard of coated cutters for aluminum...  he said that the best results in aluminum are achieved with uncoated cutters and flood cooling." - You need to find a better tool supplier.  Look at any manufacturers current catalog for endmills made specifically for cutting aluminum.  The vast majority of them will be coated, most probably with ZrN.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: mach 3 and servos do you gain any accuracy
« on: January 21, 2010, 12:41:46 PM »
By far the best way to avoid entry and exit marks is to plunge to depth OFF the part, then do an arced or tangential entry to the part for the finish pass.  If you're careful about *where* the tool contacts and leaves the part, you can eliminate the mark altogether.  Plunging and retracting on the cut line will pretty much always leave a mark.  To do otherwise would require a machine with absolutely *perfect* tram, a tool with zero runout, etc. etc.  IOW, not the real world....

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: What is a good probe to use with Mach?
« on: January 21, 2010, 11:41:47 AM »
Memory again...But didn't someone already make-up a macro for a probe for centering a circle or square/rectangular piece of stock? A couple of years ago... ???

I have "published" several sets of macros for doing edge finding, tool length setting, center finding, mid-point finding, measuring distance, etc, .etc.  The most recent were posted a few weeks ago.  Modulo the unavoidable random Mach3 bugs, these have worked perfectly for me.  There will soon be a new Mach3 screenset, which will be the default screenset for v4, that has similar macros, based on mine, built in.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: What is a good probe to use with Mach?
« on: January 21, 2010, 11:38:34 AM »
How about something along the lines of a magnet that keeps the probe in positon, but breaks away when the force gets too high?  I haven't really worked it out in my head yet... just blurting out ideas.

Himmay?  do you really have that much squirrelleyness with Mach?  I haven't done more than jog my machine around and run some sample programs, but it seems to do what I tell it to do (right or wrong, that is.)  If you have posted examples of this going chaotic, please guide me to them.

Matt,

Yes, Mach3 really IS that squirrelly.  It will work perfectly for days, or weeks, at a time, then do something stupid.  I've had it do such things as:

1) Spontaneously simply stop executing a g-code program right in the middle.  No E-Stop, no Stop, no FeedHold.  It simply stops doing anything.
2) Spontaneously turn off the spindle or coolant in the middle of running a program
3) Decide, as it has recently, that G4 delays will ALWAYS be in seconds, rather than milliseconds, regardless of the configuation setting
4) Decide to ignore jog commands.  For example, right now, my Z and A axes will not jog after an E-Stop, until I've jogged X or Y.
5) Decide to ignore spindle or coolant on/off commands
6) CV still does NOT work correctly on 3-axis helical moves unless acceleration/velocity settings on all three axes are virtually identical.
7) So many other things, I can't even remember right now....

Probing is, and always has been, particularly flaky.  Most of the time it works fine, but every once in a while, it decides to move the wrong axis, or move it in the wrong direction, or move multiple axes, or simply ignore the probe input entirely, or do the probe operation correctly, then move the wrong direction on the retract.  Pretty much all of these stand a very high chance of breaking a rigid probe, as they have done to me countless times.  Just last week I had yet another tool ruined, along with two touchplates, when Mach3 decided to ignore the probe input, and it simply drove the tool right through the touchplate and into the workpiece with several hundred pounds of force, stalling the quill servo.

Virtually all of the bugs I've witnessed over the years have, eventually, been proven to be actual bugs in either Mach3, or the SmoothStepper, or the communications, or lack thereof, between the two.  And, most have been fixed, or at least reduced in frequency of occurrence.  But, I'm still running on almost a one year old version of Mach3 and SS plug-in, as I've seen problems in the later releases.  At least the version I use are a known quantity.  Hopefully, Mach3 v4, once it's out and de-bugged, will become a more stable platform, but right now it's got a long ways to go before it can be considered robust.

If you search here and the Yahoo Mach3 forum, you will find dozens, if not hundreds, of posts I've made over the years reporting the problems I've seen.  While many people tried to blame many of the problems on the very slow PC I was using for quite a while, not ONE problem was ever definitively pinned on the PC, and the vast majority were PROVEN to be actual Mach3 or SS bugs, and most have since been fixed.  It works FAR better now than it did two years ago.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: What is a good probe to use with Mach?
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:52:57 PM »
Ray,
Picture is worth a thousand words!  ;D
RICH

Exactly why my next one will capable of simply moving out of the way, then returning to its original position.  Even re-making tips is a PITA, and very time-consuming, when you want the end-result to be on-center to within a few tenths.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: What is a good probe to use with Mach?
« on: January 20, 2010, 08:25:03 PM »
FWIW,
There is info on making a simple probe and how to use it in Appendix E of the  COPYCAT  manual in Members Docs.
Of course you can also use a video cam.
RICH

A video camera doesn't give you anywhere near the resolution of a good probe, though it's good enough for many operations.  And a rigid probe, like yours, *will* get broken at some point.  Mach3 is just plain squirrelly, and probing is perhaps it's least stable operation.  I've had it move in the wrong axis, or even multiple axes, as well as completely ignore the probe input, and keep moving long after the probe has made contact.  As far as I'm concerned, a "forgiving" probe is absoutely required with Mach3.

Regards,
Ray L.