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General Mach Discussion / Re: G31 Bug?
« on: February 19, 2009, 09:58:57 PM »
Turns out, G31 does not work right if you don't have the PP driver installed.....

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Ah, Cripes! Not Another Tool Touch-Off Macro!
« on: February 19, 2009, 09:58:09 PM »
Thanks Ray, I'll have to check this out this weekend. The macro I posted did need a few tweaks.

Brett

Brett,

   Great!  You can tell me if it works on an actual machine!  I've just simulated it!  :-)

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CNC'ing both quill and knee
« on: February 19, 2009, 09:34:10 PM »
Yes, belt pitch makes a big difference.  As I said, I used XL, which is 5-pitch.  Again, with a stepper, you'll be hard-pressed to get better than *maybe* 25 IPM.  A large stepper is NOT going to go fast (maybe 1000RPM at the very best), and torque falls off rapidly with speed, so you'll likely become torque-limited long before you reach that max speed.  With a 3:1 reduction, 750 RPM would give you 25IPM.  If you have to go to 2:1, you'll likely be looking at 15-20 IPM max.


Regards,
Ray L.

Its not a pretty picture, that I agree.   I see you used a pair of 200lb gas springs which seems to be common.  I was looking at them tonight at McMaster and see they also make them 225lb and 250lb fairly cheap.    Do the 200lb ones fully counterbalance the knee?   What do you think of using stronger ones?    Who knows what a 42 inch BP table, saddle and knee weigh other than a guess?

If anything, I have a bit too much.  It now requires less torque to move the knee up than down.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Ah, Cripes! Not Another Tool Touch-Off Macro!
« on: February 19, 2009, 09:32:30 PM »
I recently stumbled across Brett's tool length touch-off macro, and made some "enhancements", so I thought I'd pass it along to anyone who cares.

It appeared to me the original would not work correctly in all circumstances, as it did an explicit G90, but never checked to see if G91 was already in effect.  So, I fixed that so that it will work whether G90 or G91 was in effect, and restore the entry state.  I also changed the way the offset is determined, to simplify it logically.  In theory, the only changes someone should need to make is to change the PlateThickness RetractClearance and ProbeFeed variables defined at the top of the file.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Need Help: Z-Axis Reversed
« on: February 19, 2009, 02:31:40 PM »
Did you change any wiring?  This can happen if the motor leads get re-arranged.  Easiest fix is to go into Config->Ports&Pins->Outputs, and change the polarity for the Z axis DIR signal.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: "Relative" Move
« on: February 19, 2009, 02:18:32 PM »
Is it Possible to make the G91 temporary (for just the one move)?

SS

Yes, just issue a G91, make the move, then issue a G90.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CNC'ing both quill and knee
« on: February 19, 2009, 12:16:59 PM »
Yes, belt pitch makes a big difference.  As I said, I used XL, which is 5-pitch.  Again, with a stepper, you'll be hard-pressed to get better than *maybe* 25 IPM.  A large stepper is NOT going to go fast (maybe 1000RPM at the very best), and torque falls off rapidly with speed, so you'll likely become torque-limited long before you reach that max speed.  With a 3:1 reduction, 750 RPM would give you 25IPM.  If you have to go to 2:1, you'll likely be looking at 15-20 IPM max.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CNC'ing both quill and knee
« on: February 19, 2009, 11:39:10 AM »
I seen your posts and that sounds like great performance.   Unfortunately, you are using servos and mine is a stepper system.    I am not sure how servo vs stepper rated torque would correspond.   Servos like more rpm's so that would explain your 4.8:1 drive ratio.    Right now, I am leaning towards 1810ozin stepper and a 3:1 belt drive.   I'd like 4:1 but using a online calculator the smaller pulley would not have enough teeth engaged at any reasonable center distance.   I could use idler pulleys to increase the belt wrap on the small pulley but I want to keep it simple so 3:1 at about 12-14 inches center distance between the pulleys is about as good as I can get.   Its looking like air springs are going to be necessary to get any reasonable speed.   

As I mentioned, the knee is only going to move during tool offsets at tool change time so speed isn't terribly important.
However.... going from a 1" long endmill to something like a 6" long drill and chuck would mean a 5" move which at 15ipm would take 20 seconds....... pretty slow and that would no doubt get aggrivating fast!   30-40ipm would be quite satisfactory.

You're not going to get high speed from a stepper pushing that kind of load, no matter how you gear it.  The high-RPM torque fall-off will kill you.  So, either live with low top speed, or go to a servo (which is about the same cost as a large stepper anyway).  First step in any case should be to measure how much torque is required to move your knee, pad that a bit, and you can calculate how well any motor will work, and what speed you should be able to get.  Mine was about 40-45 in-lbs.

There's something wrong with your calculations.  I have 4.8:1 reduction (48:1 overall, including the bevel gears and leadscrew) using XL belts - 72 tooth on the screw, 15 on the motor, with only about a 9" center distance.  This gives more than 6 teeth engaged on the motor, which is all that's required.  I also have two 200# gas springs.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: CNC'ing both quill and knee
« on: February 19, 2009, 10:28:11 AM »
Yes, I used a leadscrew. I replaced it with a new higher precision one but stuck with the screw so I wouldn't have to use a brake to keep the knee from drifting. I did add oilers to the gears and nut but it still works on it pretty good. I'm using 1850 oz in steppers and the final gearing is 6-1. I added gas springs and that helped my rapids some but 30 IPM is about all I can get out of it with this set up.

Brett

I am in the process of considering what stepper size, belt drive ratio etc.   Can you elaborate on your setup and how the 6:1 final ratio is reached?   I am thinking of the stock screws with a 1810inoz stepper and 3:1 belt drive.   Speed isn't terribly important as it will only be active during tool changes but more is better of course. 

I'm driving my knee through the stock leadscrew, using a 4.8:1 XL belt reducer, and the HomeShopCNC.com 850 oz-in servo.  I get 75IPM.

Regards,
Ray L.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: G31 Bug?
« on: February 19, 2009, 10:24:28 AM »
Makes no difference whether I'm in machine or user coordinates.  I zero both, issue the G31, and off it goes, never to stop.  I"m just doing it in simulation, right now, no machine at all.

Regards,
Ray L.