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LazyTurn / Re: LazyTurn
« on: January 21, 2009, 04:43:42 PM »
Wolfram,
Do you plan on converting to German the manual that is written in English?
RICH

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BOB,
Ii just needed some info to know where your coming form before i take this few more steps forward.
1. good on the rpm it should be steady before actualy doing the threading. The Z feed rate will change
should you spindle slow down and mach will account for it. It reacts rather quickly and compemsates within reason.

2&3. the backlash works very well. Mach starts the z motion and is timed such that idealy you hit the thread right.
    one test recomended is to have very small cuts say 50 / .0001" such that you are cutting but it follows the
threadiing repeatedly  and can be used as a visual of how good things are. i will look around for info on threadiing and post Art's explaination of how it works.

4. 295 in/oz steppers will be more than enough. but....  you only have 24 volts and 5a available so.....
   as you decrease the amps the stepper torque will decrease and as you increase the voltage the speed can be
be improved. so........ because you are both voltage and current limited , lets say 2.5  and 24 volts that the stepper
may be only 150 in/oz and around 20 ipm ( excuse as just quessing ) . now you can run two power supplies and get ( hmm......48 volts and 5a  or 10a and 24 volts i am not realy sure on this read your power supply manual PLEASE) but you may still be limited by the drive max current setting

The current steppers on mine are only 125 oz/in and if got off my duff ii would change them out with the 250's i have.

 Look up the T/S curves for those steppers and see what the graph shows for differenet wiring at 24 volts. 

I am guessing that you are loosing steps at 12 ipm so  change your velocity to 8 or 9. Speed of the stepper will limit  spindle speed used for threading. go into one of the threading wizards and use 100 rpm for the spindle speed and then try different threads and it will tell you if your velocity is ok . If not you need to change your spindle speed. you stepper needs enough torque / speed  to go from stand still and accelerate to required speed to index correctly without missing steps.

5.the old sherline motors sucked ( my opinion ) and don't have the torque of the newer ones. now you can increase the deliver torque if you have and can switch the belting.  I you had a heavier chuck you increase inertia
thus both can have an effect on the motor slowing down during threading.  hey,  ever little bit helps. no i wouldn't
get a new chuck.

Just some thoughts on the punny lathe and hope it makes sense, 
RICH
   

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Mach Workshop at Cabin Fever Expo
« on: January 20, 2009, 09:53:07 PM »
scott,
Glad you were buying valves, since i was drawer tool dumping and buying carbide end mills by the pound.
5 ( 1/2" ) out of the ten were new and name brand. $12.00

I must say that the seminar was very good and happy that i came back on Sunday for the PLC stuff.
Don't think any body in that room could get the info presented anywhere for the price. Also didn't notice anyone sleeping at any time. No matter who you were there was something to be learned.

Mostly need to thank the presenters for their efforts. Like you said Scott, a lot of material, and for each topic there
are books written.
RICH


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Bob,
1. Assume your using an index for the pulse sink. When you set the rpm at 200 does the Spindle  "Strue" box  change much in the MACH turn window?  
2.How much backlash do you have?
   - are you using backlash compensation?
3.Have you checked the x and z  for repeatability?
4.What kind of stepper drives are you using?
   - what voltage is coming out of your power supply?
5.What kind / size chuck are your using ie; Sherlines?
   - what motor and spindle pulley are you using?

Don't let my questions seem like a PITA, stay with me.
RICH

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LazyTurn / Re: LazyTurn
« on: January 20, 2009, 06:36:27 PM »
Art,
I get a green line across the top of the profile in addition to the one that follows the profile.
Just ignore for now?
RICH

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LazyTurn / Re: LazyTurn
« on: January 20, 2009, 05:44:44 PM »
Dave,
Need the gcode file if you want a quick check on my end.
What version of Mach are you using?
RICH

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Bob,
I have a Sherline lathe and do threading / turning on it. It was a giift, has the x axis extended table, steppers
are around 125 in/oz, microscope attached to it, uses a single index for the pulse to do threading, motor is the newer more powerfull version, and use ean MPG with it. I use it for making small model parts as it fits the need. If you look at what I made thread you can find some postings from me.

I plan on doing some modifications to it. Just struggling with what i really want to do to it, make my owne lathe,
 or modify a mint 6" Atlas i rebuilt and that is laying around, finish a add on attachment for the larger lathe for doing fine work ( basicaly a put in place, very accurate ball screwed x / z ).Too manny options, maybe i will do them all.

The "punny" lathe, no knocks on Sherline, but it could easily take a ride on Hood's lathe carriage.
Just want to keep things in perspective.

Since your interested in turning, you may want to start following the LazyTurn ( currently being developed ) thread and take a peek at LazyCam Turn ( Lazyturn will replace it ). There are manuals in the Members Doc's about both which could be of value to you. I am not going to update / or enhance the LazyCam Turn manual and the LazyTurn manual is constantly being updated to reflect some 250 plus pages of posted text. Feel free to comment as i am open to constructive comments.There is the Mach III Turn manual  but there is no Sherline specific manual.
As far as threading, there are numerous posts about it but nothing captures it concisely for a punny lathe.

Now on to your questions:
Yes you can do threading with it and we have done down to 1/80's. The threading really works well for the
punny lathe users as Art made provision to address issues associated with punny lathes in Mach.
Sorry but it's my lathe and i can call it anything i want! A major problem that someone will have with threading
is accuracy. It dosn't take much to screw up a thread.

I would recomend larger steppers. Tools should be razor sharp and cuts need to be very small / and plenty of passes.
Spindle speed, steppers used, accuracy of the lathe all act as a system. Each can affect how you need to run
the punny lathe for threading and will define what the outcome is. You can use the PP with backlash compensation,
the SS ( backlash is coming ) and modify the threading wizard  for g32 output instead of g76.

I got to go and will post more later. You can write a book on all of the above. I get a chance I'll put something together on this  if time allows. Feel free to ask questions.
RICH

MODIFIED: mACH VERSION 3.042.12 AND ABOVE IS FINE ( if memory serves me) , LOCKDOWN X.*********.20 IS GOOD FOR THREADING.
HAND CRANKING A LATHE HAS IT'S PLACE BUT CNC IS SO MUCH BETTER. NO YOU CAN'T SLAVE THE Z AND MECHANICALY HAND CRANK IT LIKE IN DESK CNC. NO I DON'T WANT TO COMPARE APPLES AND ORANGES.  ;)

    


 





 

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SmoothStepper USB / Re: SS DISCONNECT SAFETY CONCERNS
« on: January 19, 2009, 03:43:56 PM »
Jeff and Tweakie,
I hear ya. It took a shocking statement for someone to get attention about a concern of which i will not pass judgement on. Now that there seems to be some closure on this thread, I would like Gum?????? to consider changing the thread title. Maybe call it "E Stop Concern". As a thread there is some valid discussion points in  here worth keeping ("I" need to re-read). Personally don't like what the title insinuates. I need to do a Google and see if this thread pops up outside of the forum ( i think it does ).

Any other opinions out there?

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Mach Workshop at Cabin Fever Expo
« on: January 19, 2009, 05:09:40 AM »
Ed,
Been going to that show since the first one. There is always someone who has done something outstanding.
Although we look and admire, sometimes we forget about  what it takes to do that kind of stuff. All of the
exhibitors are realy great people and if you ask they are more than happy to share. Never went to the one
in Detroit but heard it was the grandaddy of them all. I didn't have time to talk to the guy. I have seen a
working scale model of a Harley Davidson motorcycle. One guy made a grinding machine  for cams and out of some
110 he only got 2 or three, then the valves with .013" stems had to still take the 160 psi compression.
It took him 4 or 5 years to do that airplane engine. Neat stuff, all you need is time and a love of doing what
what you find enjoyable.
Unfortunately, manny of those folks are getting up in age and the new generation
are more attracted to other things. That's why when i am reincarnated i too will be more attracted to those
other things ( not that i missed much ) just want to do it better the first time around.  >:D
RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Inaccurate routing
« on: January 18, 2009, 09:49:20 PM »
Bob,
I'll post something after i try out the new compensation in Mach. There are some rules that apply and no use
me confusing you and myself. Till then,
RICH

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