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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: CNC CONVERSION - 6" ATLAS LATHE
« on: September 26, 2009, 10:07:09 PM »
INDEX PULSE – MOUNTING / USING A HALLS SENSOR
Got the index pulse all working. I used a Hall sensor instead of a slotted disc.
Readout is dead on from the 53 – 2400 rpm of the lathe and doesn’t vary. Components amount to a rare earth magnet which is was super glued to a gear inside the spindle housing. The sensor ( SMC D-F7NC )
was mounted onto a steel strip and attached to the casing. The sensor actually has two sensors in it and only one was used. The sensor also has an indicating light to show when it is triggering making for easy alignment and visual confirmation other than using the diagnostics. The sensor components and mounting are shown in figure # 55.

What was really nice was that it could be mounted in close quarters. I didn’t have many options for
mounting a disc and this did the trick. The sensor works from 5 to 24 volt and I already had the wiring inside the controller setup for a 5 volt supply which saved some rewiring. Why did I use this particular
sensor? Well, as a friend pointed out, look in your “junk box” because we have a few of them ( always like to have a spare part !) and there they were. A little guidance from another friend on the pull up resistor and life is good. I didn’t check the generated pulse with an o’scope so I can’t say how good it is, but frankly,
it works, and that’s what is important.

In the last post I showed a ruined ½ - 20 thread. Now I can use the proper chuck and test out some heavier
threading. The ½-20 was again tried ( 863 RPM / 43 IPM and .006” cuts) and was done with ease. I tried a few more threads to build the confidence level up and all was fine.

Picture # 55 & 56 show the results for a ¾-13. It was cut at 115 RPM using flank cutting ( 15 degree ),
.010” first pass / then .003” passes / and I spring pass. The steppers have a lot of torque at that speed and in back gearing the motor has plenty of torque. This is a rather deep sharp vee thread ( 0.0662” )
so the cutting is rather heavy. The RPM / feedrate never changed. The resultant threads pitch and profile
is very good. An increase in RPM and lighter cuts along with a few spring cuts would probably improve finish. But I was interested in timing, rpm and cutting ability.

The next tests will be with longer threading to see if the lead is going to change over the length.
This is a problem that plagues a number of folks when doing threading. Stay tuned!

RICH   

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LazyCam (Beta) / Re: Turn process won't accept profile
« on: September 26, 2009, 06:16:42 PM »
Look in the Members Docs:

RICH

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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: my first ever cnc machine build
« on: September 26, 2009, 07:50:50 AM »
Will all axis not being the same size lead screw throw it off?
ANS: No, it willl not matter, just make sure your steps / unit are correct

Does it matter if I am using a usb optical mouse? 
ANS: Run the driver test and during the the test move your the mouse around . I get a lot of spikes while some others do not. Some folks have had problems with an optical nouse and some don't have any. I don't know why!
 BTW, suggest you not play with your mouse while the program is running.  ;)
RICH

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LazyCam (Beta) / Re: Turn process won't accept profile
« on: September 25, 2009, 10:57:33 PM »
My bad, as I deleted the other ones on the lathe in the members doc's, when i wrote the LazyCam Manual tutorial#5.
I would suggest you take a look at Appendix "B" in the LazyTurn Manual as that covers practical info on Cad drawings and common mistakes.
RICH

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LazyCam (Beta) / Re: Turn process won't accept profile
« on: September 25, 2009, 10:48:03 PM »
kdoney,
You should only draw the upper part of the profile in the dxf. Take a look at the manual, Tutorial #5 which covers lathe turning. I also have a few additional posts in the Members Docs which cover the lathe and suggest you take a look at them also.
RICH

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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: CNC CONVERSION - 6" ATLAS LATHE
« on: September 25, 2009, 09:44:53 AM »
I had most all the "stuff" to do the conversion. So just a few miscleaneous things needed to be purchased. Say around $140 so far. 
RICH

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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: CNC CONVERSION - 6" ATLAS LATHE
« on: September 25, 2009, 08:47:58 AM »
"May I ask, how much money did it turn to you?"

Not sure what your asking?

RICH

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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: CNC CONVERSION - 6" ATLAS LATHE
« on: September 25, 2009, 06:01:33 AM »
Daniel,
I had the Sherline tweaked quite well, or maybe better said, after lots of testing i knew how to get the most out of it. Being fair to Sherline, it's still a nice little lathe for making small parts.

Practical backlash on the converted Atlas is zero.  The x axis is 0.0003 to .0004" and the Z is slightly under 0.001".
Just using code generated by the wizards, like turning down a  shaft to dimension i was able to get within or better than the X axis backlash. The backlash is a real PITA if your doing threads, not only fine 0-80 but also deeper
threads like 20 or 13. On the small threads, a few thou makes or breaks a usable thread while on the deeper threading 2 thou can create a spindle slowdown, force you to use flank threading, etc. Even though a lot of effort by Art  and testing by users to make the threading cycle work with spindle slow down, there is no comparison if it doesn't happen in the first place.

The intent of this conversion was to build a lathe that could do fine precision work but also be able to do larger work. To that end the goal was achieved.

I still have a number of refinements to make the accessories usable and a fair amount of testing to gain experience
using the new toy.  I guess if I had to do it all over, I should have CNC'd the Atlas a long time ago. If you read the postings, it is obvious i knew what i was after and wanted.

RICH

 

 

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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: CNC CONVERSION - 6" ATLAS LATHE
« on: September 24, 2009, 11:26:14 PM »
I have been playing with the converted lathe using the wizards to do basic things like cutting down shafts, ball ends etc  and she's got accuracy and repeatablity.

Figured i would rig up something quick and dirty to try some threading ( waiting for a hall sensor ). Just quickly mounted a small disc with a single slot as shown in the picture. I couldn't use any regular chucks so used a small one which has a MT to fit the lathe spinde as shown in the picture #1.

Picture #2 & 3 was my first thread, 5/16- 24 cut at 402 rpm. The rpm would  occasionialy flicker between 401 and 402 rpm. Measured rpm to displayed rpm was within 1 rpm.  One thing for sure, there is no slow down of the spindle!  What a difference as compared to using my punny Sherline lathe. The thread pitch diameter only varied 2 thousands across the length of the thread.

After cutting some finer threads, i tried a 3/8-20 as shown in picture #4. It was cut at 863 rpm / 43 ipm and .008" cuts. All was fine up until the next to last pass when the little chucks MT came loose outof the spindle. Result was a chewed up thread! No spindle slow down at all and at that speed not much time to hit the Estop! Oh well, i quess I'll just waite to test out some of the larger / deeper threads using a regular chuck.

I am using a  SS and of course i have  no need for backlash compensation now. Additionaly, believe spindle slowdown will no longer be an issue. Hey, small lathe but running with the big dogs now!  It will be interesting to see how long threads and multiple threading goes. I'll waite for the sensor to be installed first.

RICH

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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: Ballscrews - Ground or Rolled?
« on: September 24, 2009, 09:01:53 AM »

Barry,
Here is a link to a nice non-technical write up on ball screws which should address you question.

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8813

RICH

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