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General Mach Discussion / Re: lathe will not thread
« on: August 19, 2017, 06:46:45 PM »
Don't think the internal threading of Mach3 was ever changed in years or after version 3.042.034 and I use version .062 and have had no problems.

Info from Threading on the Lathe Manual:

A gcode file defining the axis moves along with related thread information is read by  Mach3. The index pulse provides Mach with rpm data and the program controls the Z axis to a move appropriately from a dead start, accelerate to a defined distance, and then maintain a feedrate such that the cutting tool produces a spiral cut along a cylinder representing the lead of the thread. The start of the Z motion happens when and if a timing pulse is seen. If no pulse is seen the threading will not begin or continue. The timing pulse synchronizes the z axis location to the spindle rotation the same as closing of the half nuts on a manual lathe would do. So, the threading is activated with an index pulse.


The P in G76 should be the pitch and YOU define it. I will assume that you are using the original G76 command and not some altered one. If you use the wizard you should use the Calc Number of Passes button to check if you motor setting is appropriate for the rpm and pitch entered. Remember that with a stepper as the velocity is increased the torque decreases / there is less power available and you want some “headroom” left for  cutting the  thread. Also you have a choice in what code will be posted and that is covered in section 7.2 of the manual.
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If you are generating gcode from some program then that is different matter as the post processor needs to be correct for MACH3 LATHE.

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So from the manual info above, it seems that the index which triggers threading, is not seen by Mach3. Test that the index is working ( how to do is in the manual). Not familar with the Appolo 1 break out board, use of their plug in, or their screen set.

Do you have the index configured in Mach3? How?
Are you setting spindle rpm manually? ( don't want the vfd fighting the index info to Mach as that can  become problematic)

FWIW,

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: lathe will not thread
« on: August 19, 2017, 06:58:05 AM »
Could be due to a number of things.
Will post later today.........

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: lost steps on y after a z move.
« on: August 18, 2017, 07:55:54 AM »
Buchanan,

It's good that your problem is repeatable as you can try things to find the culprit.

By swapping the axes and getting the same small additive error  it tells me that it is not the drive, gcode, or Mach.  ie; Mach controls the machine based on the gcode instructions created by the software which in turn goes to the drive.

The intial axis error is 0.03 mm ( which is 0.0012" ).
You say not a mechanical / geometry problem,but, not sure that is true.

So here are some suggestions:
1. Create a gcode file that simply duplicates the snippet of code for the sequence that seems to be problematic. You can then run that small code numerous times to re-confirm the problem while taking physical measurements and can also add in dwells to see what the dro says while doing it.

BUT, before you do 1.

2. What's the Y axis resolution?

3. Check / test to know what  the backlash of the axis is. Don't say zero, very unlikely, it may be small but it is there. Also the backlash may vary depending on the screw ie; can be different at different screw sections and when when going in different directions. Also, depending on acceleration it can change due to loading on the screw which also influences the trust bearing preload / movement.
Each part of the axis contributes to the system inaccuracy. Know what they are.

Let me add that getting axis accurate repeatable down to ( 0.03 mm / which is 0.0012" )  is somewhat easy but below that value really need to be meticulous and have good system compponents.

There is more that you can do, but, first know what you have.

FWIW,
Stay focused working on the problem  in a logial way of testing, one step at time and not doing all kinds of things.

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Problems with small cnc machine
« on: August 16, 2017, 05:37:52 AM »
Brenden,

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we have been experiencing some stuttering of the step motors in various directions.

- Jog and use commands to move around with the motor turned off and see if the problem    goes away.
- There are a number of reasons for the whatever you mean by "stuttering".
   - If skipping try retuning the steppers / reduce accel and velocity settings
     Before you do that make sure the machine axes are lubricated and move easily.
   - Confirm that proper  amp settings of  the stepper drives are being used
   - I know nothing about your "blue box" controller. You are on your owne for any problems  associated with it and that includes the plug-in
     if used. You can post the manuals for the  the controller, drives etc. and maybe another user will help.

     Experience has shown me to not waste time on Chinese stuff unless proper documentation
     is available and is correct.

FWIW,

RICH
  

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Dave,
Looked at your xml for info, thanks for posting.

Going to review three item groups of the lathe screen set.
- Axis Position
- Part Zeroing
- Using that wizard

Attached is the first one.

RICH


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I'll reply sometime tomorrow. Busy got to go.

RICH

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I am sorry for troubling you, I have studied the manuals.

You are not troubling me.

Please post your xml file you are using for the lathe.

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And for what it is worth I thought this was a support forum.

It is and that kind of comment will not get you very far with me. >:(
 

RICH

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I think  that you are creating a Work Offset.
Study the manual and the info I posted.

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: No rpm display on mach3 turn
« on: August 13, 2017, 06:46:45 AM »
Click the spindle button?

RICH

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What did I do wrong in my description?

Not sure what you mean.

RICH

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