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Mach3 under Vista / Re: I need HELP !!
« on: December 23, 2019, 06:37:30 AM »
Happy you got it working. :)

If as is, the machine provides the quality of machining for whatever work you will do with it, then that is what matters.

For a test do a simple square and triangle with the sides equal to 0.7 mm in length running at F500 and see what happens.

RICH

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Mach3 under Vista / Re: I need HELP !!
« on: December 22, 2019, 12:24:27 PM »
has one of those inexpensive break out boards

Post info on the break out board

Can you post a link to where you purchased the stepper motors from.
The ACT company does not  list that particular model stepper.

RICH

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Mach3 under Vista / Re: I need HELP !!
« on: December 22, 2019, 10:46:59 AM »
XML FILE - I have no idea on what you mean by this

The profile you use or created to run Mach3 is located in the Mach3 directory on your computer
and is saved as an XML document. It contains all the settings etc. you defined for the machine.
Make a copy of that file and rename it to have a unique name ie; NEED HELP and post it.

RICH

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Mach3 under Vista / Re: I need HELP !!
« on: December 22, 2019, 06:58:04 AM »
But when I run a small program with lots of moves the machines has lots of problems and I loose steps and the machine seems to shutter.

Post the following:
1. Stepper motor information - from who, model number,  motor curve, etc
2. Drive information
3. Screw information
3. Power supply information
4. XMl file you are currently using
5. The program you are using ( complete not snippet of code )

The above information will save us a  lot of time. I'll refrain from making  comments until the above is posted.

RICH

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 positioning error
« on: December 17, 2019, 08:54:33 AM »
I believe that led should flash only when u move an axis. Anyone has an idea about this?

The PMDX manual has detailed info about the LED's.

RICH

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 positioning error
« on: December 15, 2019, 05:55:46 PM »
So if u have an idea which may cause this kinds of errors shoot it, if u dont then shut it.

Guess I don't , but be carefull when you tell someone to shut up.

Off to the side lines........., :)
RICH

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 positioning error
« on: December 15, 2019, 11:24:08 AM »
hyildiz,

First I must say, in a positive manner, that I appreciate your quest for perfection which is desired
but never achieved. So here is my reality check!

There are TWO standards relative to this thread on positioning error. One is electronic and one is
mechanical and idealy one should agree with the other. The electronic standard (ie; closed loop
and servo related ) I am going to leave to those folks that have in-depth knowledge of that
"system". Doubt you any way to confirm the electronic standard to a traceable basis.

The mechanical standard becomes some "value" based on testing and how the testing is done,
ability to measure accurately, etc, etc, etc. Nothing is perfect, accuracy is a matter of degree, and
the "value" is will represent the "system" of total components.

Thus the real end quest, practical end product of  your efforts, will be a "system" that provides for
some expected tolerence of that machines capability. Note machines capability, not machined part
final tolerence, since that is different matter.

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KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE

1.Should have manufacturers spec " Taiwan made single nut ballscrew directly attached to a servo
motor with coupling, ball screw grade, etc.  Exactly what kind of coupling is used?

2.Torque specs for whatever relates to installation.

3.Calculated inertion etc required to move the 900# + table. There are programs that can be used
to determine axis system loadings.

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 UNDERSTAND
1. All "systems" have backlash / play in movement, for both static and dynamic loading, since if
there were NONE the axis could not move. Just a matter of degree.

2.Know what you are actualy measuring. It can get difficult to isolate components of a system
   to see how each component adds to the total.

3. You must be methodical, focused, meticulous as heck, for what ever you measure.

4. The smaller the measurement gets the more difficult  it gets to acquire meaningfull data.
    Other influences come into play when you get to the micron levels.

5. Do you have the calibrated tools to aquire the data and what are their specs.

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MEASUREMENT - for each axis
1. When you measure a screw you should actualy "profile" the screw over intended table     
    movement. For 30", with initial backlash removed, record measurements in 0.1" increments.
    It's done for both directions of travel. Say you have a spec for a ground screw and it says
    "0.001" / foot". What your interested in is how linear that screw is. I have seen all kinds of
     variations, such as, it was very linear, or had a section / sections that varied, the reverse           
     direction profile varied from the other direction profile, but, overall  it did meet meet  the
     spec. No screw is "perfectly" linear. A graph of measured movement relative to distance will     
     show the non liearity.  The above is a PITA to do, rather quick and easy for me since I do it   
     opticaly.

2. Now note that depending on how the screw and nut is mounted there is play. How will you try
    to measure that component of the system? For setting preload, a rationalization could be, to
    have the static load condition set such that an measured applied torque minimizes play and
    allows for the table to just move. Just making a point that a micon here and there for every
    component can up quickly. How dose calculated force to just move the axis compare to
    your measured force? Maybe one wants to minimize usage of available motor torque to move
   the table so that gained torque is available for actual machining.

3. Inline solid coupling of the screw to a motor eliminates non linear movement of the screw due
    to motor shaft rotation, BUT, depending on how it's installed, loads may be  thrown back into
    the motor. I had a bellows type that overtime started to add backlash to the system and the 
    backlash was not repeatable. Just another component which can affect measured table
    movement. 

4. Motor construction varies and can add varied / non-repeatable linear movement depending on
    how installed or made.

5. 1 micron = 0.00003937"  Human hair is approx 0.003" diameter. So 5 microns =0.0002"
   
Post collecting all the data, and in consideration of the data, you will rationalize to some practical
value of the  mechanical standard.

HYILDIZ, Have fun and Happy Holidays,

RICH

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 positioning error
« on: December 13, 2019, 08:52:51 AM »
Interesting thread and I'll post some info later for a reality check.
Later,

Rich

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There is a manual for LazyCam in Members Doc's.
LC is a 2D importer of a version 12dxf.
You would need to modify the posted gcode for the dip.

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: threading?
« on: December 12, 2019, 02:55:14 PM »
Mick,
Threading doesn't work in the DEMO mode you need a license. If you are using a PP you will need 5 volts to trigger the index
if I recall correctly. Have a read of Threading on the Lathe that I wrote. Should be in Members Doc's and may actually be in the MACH3 directory on your pc.
 
For now.......Take Care,
RICH

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