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Share Your GCode / Re: New to all this!
« on: June 12, 2012, 06:25:27 AM »
Not sure on this but Cambam may not account for vee type  or ball ended cutters.
RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Egg shaped circles
« on: June 12, 2012, 06:16:50 AM »
Post some pictures of the y axis and we'll have a look. Need to see how the complete axis is put together.
The motor will have some play as they use bellvue washers in them to keep the rotor inplace but there is only a few thou of play
so that is not you problem. When the stepper is energized it will hold to the rating provided power is adequate.The problem is mechanical and not some setting.

Echo what Graham replied,
RICH


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General Mach Discussion / Re: index sensor help please
« on: June 11, 2012, 10:27:52 PM »
Make sure the photo transitor is working properly. You should be able to put a piece of paper between the prongs and see the index go on or off in MACH, or get a high and low voltage reading. If that part works then you can play with the slot width of the index disc. There is info in the Mach manual on how wide to make the slot.
FWIW,
RICH

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Where the heck do you start with a gunstock,
You first DESIGN the gunstock.  ;)
RICH

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What would be some advice for someone just starting out?
You will need to learn CAD 2D & 3D and  a CAM program. You need to be able to make a 3D object of the part and then use a program to convert that into gcode. There are no shortcuts to all this or some magical program that does it in a few mouse clicks.

Enjoy the learning experience,
RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Gcode Viewer
« on: June 11, 2012, 06:40:02 AM »
Terry,
In order to get a preview the program will need to backplot the code in some way. Not many free backplotters out there.
For a quick view one could always capture the graphics area after loading and save as a pic with the same name as the code file.

A friend just improved a backplotter he wrote which backplots the gcode directly into ACAD unfortunately it's his to give away
and i can't share it.
RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Newbie Help Please with Tool Offsets
« on: June 10, 2012, 05:01:05 PM »
The program will provide code which accounts for the diameter of the cutting tool .
RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Newbie Help Please with Tool Offsets
« on: June 10, 2012, 12:03:34 PM »
Yep, all you need to do is supply the dxf, select what you want to machine and how, define a few parameters and post the code to a file
for MACH. I use it and think it's good program for the money but someone else may have a different take on Cambam.
It also has some advanced features that you can explore later on.
RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: z axis moving up
« on: June 10, 2012, 11:56:28 AM »
Lets do some math:
- For a 20" diameter disc, the circumference is 62.832"

- You commanded  a move of 1.5" in Mach, and since your steps per inch is 25600, then idealy 1.5x25600=38400 pulses need to be sent to the stepper for that linear movement.
   The DRO in Mach should have iindicated 1.5000" change in position. The mechanical indication of that movement is relative to the pointer position as compared to the
   the mark on the disc. Note that we are "relating" electrical to mechanical movement and idealy you would measure the pulses  sent out the pp, the pulses  recieved by the
  drive, the pulses sent from the drive to the stepper, and finaly use a physical indication of the rotor positioin . I have done the this using  a custom  input pulse counter accurate
   to parts per million which provides direct comparison. You don't have that kind of equipment, nor I, but the disc measurements although not exact,  are very indicative
   of the TOTAL pulses sent.

- One revolution of the disc requires 200 pulses and since you are microstepping, then, 200 x 8= 1600 total steps to rotate the disc 1 revolution.

- If 38400 pulses are recieved by the stepper, then 38400 PULSES  / 1600 PULSES PER rotation of the stepper  rotor = 24 rotations of the disc.

- The disc actualy rotated 24 times plus some additional amount ( .060" on the disc) which is equal to .3437 degrees too much ( approx).

- One degree on the disc, 1600 pulses per 360 deg per roatation= 1600 / 360 = 4.444 pulses / degree.
  The rotor turned too much, thus 4.444 pulses per degree x .3437 degrees = 1.5274 pulses  to manny. Well kind of ....readon....

Now to relate some of the above info:
- Not all drives are equal and thus there is non linearity associated with them. Not all steppers are equal on thier ability to position accurately in the microstepping.
  If you read the posted links by Ian in reply #13, you would understand that when a stepper recieves a pulse to make a small move it may take more than one since
  since it must overcome the detent torque and internal friction. Then depending on the magnetic field and position of the rotor it can after a few pulses then overmove.
  A good example of  this can be done using your disc to see how manny jogs it takes to move just .0001". May take more than calculated or rotor may move more than deisred.
  In fact each position will vary over the complete revolution, won't be exactly linear and you can't tell if the drive or motor has smore influence on this.
  This is just when moving in one direction, now apply the same thinking to a change in direction, and then consider that linearity will be different when going the other direction.
  Do you now understand why i only wanted to do one direction moves and i also wanted you to position the rotor so that it would not need to reserse direction?

 So you get some data for only a single direction move, then you get get some data on changing direction, then data on the other direction. You will then have an
understanding of how things relate and then a  base do do changes to see if  some settings will improve things.
Now remember that the  motor needs to ramp up to speed and then also ramp down to stop. An the power supply can have an impact on that and also positioning.
 Do now understand why I wanted you to do this at a slow feed rate and acceleration and only one drive at time?

BTW, pulses are on and off comming out of the PP, whole pulses, so there is no such thing as sending a 1.5274 pulse.
   
- The smallest move you can do, if all was ideal, is 1/25600=0.000039" for a linear move. So say, two pulses too manny were sent for example,
   then your axis  would be out of position by 0.0008". Is that repeatable for a one direction move?


I have lots of patience and also had problems with my mill when i started doing 3d cutting.
Your the one doing the testing ..........., ;)

RICH
 

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Newbie Help Please with Tool Offsets
« on: June 10, 2012, 08:37:41 AM »
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On the other hand it is way too complex for my inexperienced brain to take in at this stage.
You just need to spend the time learning and there are no shortcuts.
CNC Programming Handbook by Smid covers all the basics to complex and is a book worth adding to ones library.

There's plenty of stuff on the internet you can read also.

Have a look at Tutorial #1 in the LC Manual. How you do the equivilant in another program may be different but the general jest of the
tutorial is worth readng.
RICH

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