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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: My new project
« on: February 13, 2008, 11:17:04 PM »
Thanks Brett,

I think I've finally got all the electrical bits ordered. They should be here the end of this week if the weather holds. I decided to go with a PCI parallel port card, and another breakout board in order to run the turret. Also finally got the O-rings from Dorian. What a pain!! and they are proud of them too!! >:(. I'm currently working on the adaptor plate for the turret. The plan is to put the turret back together this weekend and start the wiring next week. That is if I can finish another work project this week.  :P

I used the KISS method this time. I plan to have an on/off switch and an E-stop hard wired.  Everything else will be software configurable on a USB or modbus pendant. My mill has all kind of interlocks hard wired for safety and it is a pain to start up and shut down. That is mostly due to the nature of what was available when I first did the retrofit. No mach3, charge pump etc. On the lathe the on/off switch will power up the computer and the charge pump powers up the main spindle and axis drives through a contactor. It should be just like booting up a computer. I think the controls are getting to the point that the only thing that makes sense is software configurable user interface. Otherwise you just wind up being way behind as things get better. I see that Art has started on lazy turn! I can't wait to try that out. This stuff is getting really cool!

I can remember putting together my first dual celleron 300 box and loading up Rhino. I thought things couldn't get any better. This was back when an SGi box cost a bloody fortune and the software to run on it was in the $25-50K range.....that was 10 short years ago. Then I bought an old Bridgeport Boss and put an Ah-Ha control on it. I thought that was pretty neat....that was only 8 years ago...Now I have full parametric solid modeling with assemblies, FEA, and mechanisms on a box so fast I can't believe it for a cost at least a factor of 50 less than the bad old days, and my Bridgeport runs Mach3 with conversational programming  ;D 

Give it about 10 years and the fab at home stuff should be coming along nicely. Then molecular assembly. Pretty soon I'll have my very own replicator on my desk, and then I won't know what to do with all this heavy iron I worked so hard to accumulate ;D.

I don't know where this is heading....but I think it will be on the same order of magnitude as the steam engine and the industrial revolution.

You guys keep up the good work!!!

Monty

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Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: My new project
« on: February 05, 2008, 06:40:05 PM »
Rule #1

Everything takes a lot longer than you think it will! :(

Finally getting around to the meat of converting this lathe. What was going to just be a simple hook up mach and go thing got a little more involved.
The machine was hardly used. Which is a good thing, but it sat for almost 30 years. Without any use the way oil never did wash the cosmoline off the ways.
The X and Z were both frozen and the ball screws were covered with fossilized grease. All of the way wipes had to be replaced. To get to the way wipes, you have to
disassemble all the sheet metal.  From there the "while I have it apart" mentality took over and now it has new paint as well. Oh well, I never did like the machine tool in drag
look that it had before. I also had to rebuild the powerdex turret I scrounged for it. Whoever had it before did some "maintenance" on it. This person apparently thought that RTV silicone is a miracle substance, good for everything from assembly lube to an overall conformal coating. I'm not joking the whole thing was coated with silicone inside and out!!! :o Some of the internals were corroded pretty good, so I guess they were trying to stop coolant from getting into the turret. They might have tried installing all of the O-rings, most of which were missing ::). Fortunately most of the damage was superficial and easily fixed (except for scraping all of that #$%*&@#$ silicone off so I could re-paint it. So new seals and O-rings plus lube. The other thing I am doing is replacing the 3 phase AC servo that powers the turret with a stepper. I'll sacrifice speed, but It's a lot easier to deal with on this machine as everything else is run by steppers.

Hooking up the turret is going to be a project. I need more inputs than I can get from the serial port. Maybe the new smooth stepper board will be the way to go!! The turret needs 9 inputs. and 1 outputs in addition to the stepper motor. The input hog is the 7 bit encoder. Does anybody have any suggestions for hooking up the turret? Whats the best way to do it? let a subroutine in mach control it or use a stand alone plc?

Anyway my current focus is getting the turret re-assembled and mounted. By the time I get around to that the smooth stepper board should hopefully be available and I will have made some wiring decisions.

Monty


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General Mach Discussion / Re: Emco 120P
« on: July 24, 2007, 09:46:32 AM »
If it's anything like my emco 140 it will need a whole new control to work with mach.

Does it have 5 phase steppers?

Is the main spindle a DC motor and what HP is it?

I am using the existing 5 phase steppers. The only drives I know of that will work are Vexta drives. They are on ebay for around $100/axis. If you have the german motors you will have to do some sluething to find the right part# for the vexta drive to work with it. I have some documentation that may be of some use.

The alternative is to replace the motors with more modern stuff. Mine were brand new, so I elected to use them.

The spindle drive is a bit more of a problem. Mine is a 7.5 hp DC drive, but it is a 400V motor. So I am running it at 250V. I will only get about 4hp cont. 5hp peak this way, but that is enough for my needs.

I am currently putting the thing together.

I'll help if I can.

Monty

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Mach3 and G-Rex / Re: shuttle pro g100 latency???
« on: July 21, 2007, 11:52:57 PM »
Both the G100 and the breakout board are devices that allow your computer to talk to the motor drives and the rest of the machine.

The G100 uses ethernet or USB and is made by gecko drive.

Lots of people make breakout boards that use the printer port.

Monty

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Mach3 and G-Rex / Re: shuttle pro g100 latency???
« on: July 21, 2007, 11:40:13 AM »
CNC guy,

Not sure what is causing your problem. Some of the old posts on the Shuttle pro that I looked at mentioned that they had problems that were cured when they re-installed the plug in.

I have had problems getting certain functions to work with the G100. I can select X,Y,Z just fine, and I have a button for home X,Y,Z seperately as well.

Try removing and reinstalling the plug in.

Are you running the G100 or a breakout board?

Monty

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Mach3 and G-Rex / Re: how to config motors with G100
« on: July 21, 2007, 11:31:17 AM »
Art and Brian are working on the problem. It is appearantly in the G100 programming which they did not do. It will be fixed eventually......

As far as predictability. I have found that once the problem occurs things go whacky and don't get better until either the machine successfully homes or you restart mach.

The machine is dangerous after the problem occurs. It is liable to run through a limit or leave the Z down and crash the work into it.

My proceedure is to restart mach if any axis fails to home properly. So far that solves the problem. A bit inconvienient, but it works.

I also home each axis individually in the diagnostics screen. I don't use the ref all home button.

Monty

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Mach3 Driver Test
« on: July 02, 2007, 10:38:04 AM »
Good luck with the new computer.

99.9% of the computers out there work no problem, but every now and then us lucky ones get the .1% case.  :D

Monty

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Stepper Torque Fall Off...
« on: July 01, 2007, 10:58:17 AM »
Lemo,

The first place I would look is the manufacturer of your motors. Usually they provide the information you are looking for. Try looking for a website and go look at the technical specs for your motor model numbers.

On some of the imported hobby stuff it may be a challenge to find this info. Also if the motor was made for an OEM to their specs you may be out of luck.

The only other option is to test them on a motor dyno.

Monty

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Mach3 Driver Test
« on: June 28, 2007, 09:20:43 PM »
Did you get the problem solved?

Monty

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Mach3 Driver Test
« on: June 15, 2007, 10:07:06 AM »
I don't know exactly what causes the problem. With my dad's computer the driver test would look normal, and then all of a sudden it would look like a siesmograph in LA during the big one. :o Then the computer would lock up.

The alternate driver would not work at all. 

I think that the on board video interferes with the mach driver by accessing RAM. There must be some kind of conflict with memory addresses or something like that. It makes the thing unstable, unpredictable and flaky.

PCI cards have their own memory so they don't cause that problem. At least this is my theory. I don't pretend to understand the intractible innards of Mach software. You will have to speak to Art or Brian about that.

Other people have had similar problems in the past. In all cases changing to a PCI card and disabling the on board video, or replacing the MB as a last resort has fixed the problem. At least that is where I would start to look if I had the problem you are describing.

Monty

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