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General Mach Discussion / Re: Am I loosing Steps, and what should I do
« on: August 15, 2016, 05:12:28 PM »
Hi Jim,

I took the motor and coupling off the ball screw today, and ran the spindle head up and down its slides 3 times by manually turning the ball screw. It was fairly easy to turn (could do so with just a finger grip), and didnt feel any sudden change in resistance during its travels.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Am I loosing Steps, and what should I do
« on: August 12, 2016, 04:57:46 PM »
Thanks, I will give it a go.

Thought I would mention, I found a label on one of the steppers yesterday. They have a part number of 86bygh450b-06d-15j
Not sure it this helps at all.


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General Mach Discussion / Re: Am I loosing Steps, and what should I do
« on: August 10, 2016, 04:23:05 PM »
Thanks the the input mate, every comment helps trust me.

My drivers are rated between 36 - 8- VAC (although it doesnt mention a DC voltrage range of 50 - 110 VDC, so not sure if it operates in AC and DC)

http://www.leadshine.com/UploadFile/Down/MA860Hm.pdf

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Am I loosing Steps, and what should I do
« on: August 10, 2016, 01:12:57 PM »
Bit of a delayed update, work got in the way of me running more tests.

Right I stopped stripping down the machanics and reverted back to the electronics as recommended. To confirm, this issue was noticed on all 3 axis, with the Z axis being the mostr prominent.

As you have probably seen from previous posts, I have stripped back the machines electronics right down to the requirements of only the Z Axis.

As such, I have testing the Pulse + signal as per Kevins photos. Below is the results of this test. The first image is the overall signal. The second image is a zoom in on the start of the signal, wasnt sure if that was class as undesirable noise and if it would cause any issues. The third image is just the setting of the osiciscope in case I had set anything wrong.








I also ran through all the voltage pre controller again, the following is what I recorded.


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General Mach Discussion / Re: Am I loosing Steps, and what should I do
« on: August 05, 2016, 02:46:54 AM »
I think what your seeing is the spindle sinking slightly in to the wood under the force. I can assure this is not play in the spindle. The ball screw slips and the head bounces back up
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General Mach Discussion / Re: Am I loosing Steps, and what should I do
« on: August 04, 2016, 08:56:04 AM »
Ive taken a video of the ball screw action, let me know what you think.

Im just working on taking the oscilloscope readings


https://youtu.be/q4UkBnZKrwg

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Am I loosing Steps, and what should I do
« on: August 03, 2016, 06:57:24 AM »
Ive taken a video of the ball screw action, let me know what you think.

Im just working on taking the oscilloscope readings


https://youtu.be/q4UkBnZKrwg

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Hi All,

Only just picked up the latest two posts so didnt try that out yet, but definately will.

Anyway, Ive spent this evening running a series of tests, checking over the electronics and also some mechnicals

Firstly, I have now stripped back all the electronics, such that I am now left with only the Z axis drive gear, the controller, and the power system. All other axis drivers have been disconnected and removed, the front panel connections have been removed etc.

So I thought I would start with a simply test, and that was to change the USB lead. I went and got a decent shielded USB lead and double checked the contiuity of the outer sheilding to the connector housing. Unforunately, this changed nothing.

I then went over all the remainging electrics, checking for any loose connections and tighting everything up to ensure all was so. I again ran a Z axis test and the same results.

Next, I took a look at the mechanical couplings from the motor to the ball screw. Ive checked these previously, but wanted to be doubly sure. I marke up a line between all the connections. I re-ran a test and the same result. Having checked the mechanical connection, the line was still intact along all connection points. So This rules out any slipage in the couplings.

So, out of ideas, I thought I would play around with the acc. and Vel. settings in mach 3. I started very very low and slowly worked back up. However, the test program I ran only moved the Z axis through a distance 70mm (reoccuring) so Im wondering if at the very low acceleration range if the motor every got up to the velocity?
Anyway, these are the results of those tests
Original Settings - Velocity: 6000, Acceleration: 300
Velocity: 500, Acceleration 20 - Good Result, Held Zero
Velocity: 2000, Acceleration 20 - Good Result, Held Zero
Velocity: 4000, Acceleration 50 - Bad Result, Lost Zero
Velocity: 4000, Acceleration 20 - Good Result, Held Zero

So it seems that if I slow the acceleration down to painfully slow, it stabilises. Im not sure this is a solution though, more an observation, as I know there are the same machines out there running fine at the orignal setting, but maybe this test can help to highlight some possible issue.

And Finally, an observation that I feel I need to mention, and Im very much wondering if this could lead us on right path to finding the issue. While I was messing with the Velocity and Acceleration settings, I forgot to compensate for this while jogging the Z axis downward. As such, I ended up crashing in to the workpiece. What I observed (which I assume is a common action) is that the motor and ball screw continued to rotate, and instead the slipping must have occured at what I think is called the Ball Nut.
What happened was that because the motor was still turning, Mach 3 thought the z axis was still travelling downward. Therefore, when retracted, the Z zero point had changed and was above the workpiece (same results).
Could this be a possible reason to whats happening durning a program run, could the Ball Nut be slipping?
The only thing I cant answer is how this would be happening on the X and Y axis as well, but concentraiting on the Z for now.



BVy the way, this is the signal from Pulse + pin

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Many thanks to all.

I will check out the gas spring as recommended.

Jim - I will do a little reading on your suggestions, also a fellow brummie (work in Great Barr)

G21 - Can I just confirm which wire is the step input pulse. (DIR-, DIR+, PUL-, PUL+, ENA-, ENA+)?

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Hi Jim,

This is the SVM-2 model, but has the same gas strut. Its based on (I believe uses the same castings) the old Mikini, but with updated screws and motors, and a complete electronics system overall as the old mikini had many a problem.

I understand your description of the issue you had, but Im gaining steps, not loosing. So rather than the Z ending up deeper and deeper after every run.....Mine is ending up higher and higher. Maybe the gas strut it pushing the head up to much, although that would be surprising.
The other point is this issue is also on the X and Y axis

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