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Mach4 General Discussion / MACH4 - M19 and Rigid Taping with CSMIO ip-A

« on: July 26, 2022, 10:34:49 AM »

Please I need help. We are doing 4 Machining centers with CSMIO ip -A +\- 10V and I need to do the M19 (Spindle Orientation) to be able to change the tool, in addition to being able to have Rigid Taping. As recommended by Cs-Lab, we are using CSMIO-Enc. We have an AC Servo Drive in the Spindel FAGOR, however the CSMIO only gives us an analog output of 0-10V. The spindel runs, I have the visualization of rotation and position and etc, in CSMIO-ENC, but how do we make the M19? So that he is controlling position? Please if anyone can help me with this, even with the M19 and SpOr macros. According to CS-Lab, they need a Mach4 update so they can make a new plugin for Rigid Taping. Is this true? If so, we will have to change our design and change equipment or another CNC. Thanks. I look forward to any help.


– G84.2/G84.3 is rigid tapping for which Mach4 manual says:

“requires the machine to have precise control of spindle speed, axis feed, and precise feedback of spindle RPM.”

It means that for spindle driving, you should use a servo drive that can keep a set position. It can be a step/dir drive (supporting position mode) in the case of CSMIO/IP-S controller or  +/-10V (velocity mode) in the CSMIO/IP-A motion controller.

Further, Mach4 has the “Enable Step/Dir Spindle rigid tapping” option, which you may think should treat a spindle as a rotary axis. It means that even without synchronization provided by a CSMO/IP controller, rigid tapping should be possible because the spindle has become a full-fledged rotary axis. Unfortunately, it’s not like that. ArtSoft informed us (a few months ago) that it would be corrected. (as of 02/16/2022).

Our developers plan to release a plugin update for Mach4 soon that includes the rigid tapping as well if:

we get documentation of newly added functions and changes in Mach4
newly added functions and changes made in Mach4 will work as assumed.
we get explanations for questions we may have.
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General Mach Discussion / Re: MACH4 - M19 and Rigid Taping with CSMIO ip-A

« on: July 26, 2022, 10:04:19 AM »

Hello!. I'll post where you indicated. Now I have this problem at hand. I hope Cs-Lab has a solution.

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General Mach Discussion / MACH4 - M19 and Rigid Taping with CSMIO ip-A

« on: July 25, 2022, 03:09:53 PM »

Please I need help. We are doing 4 Machining centers with CSMIO ip -A +\- 10V and I need to do the M19 (Spindle Orientation) to be able to change the tool, in addition to being able to have Rigid Taping. As recommended by Cs-Lab, we are using CSMIO-Enc. We have an AC Servo Drive in the Spindel brand FAGOR, however the CSMIO only gives us an analog output of 0-10V. The spindel runs, I have the visualization of rotation and position and etc, in CSMIO-ENC, but how do we make the M19? So that he is controlling position? Please if anyone can help me with this, even with the M19 and SpOr macros. According to CS-Lab, they need a Mach4 update so they can make a new plugin for Rigid Taping. Is this true? If so, we will have to change our design and change equipment or another CNC. Thanks. I look forward to any help.


– G84.2/G84.3 is rigid tapping for which Mach4 manual says:

“requires the machine to have precise control of spindle speed, axis feed, and precise feedback of spindle RPM.”

It means that for spindle driving, you should use a servo drive that can keep a set position. It can be a step/dir drive (supporting position mode) in the case of CSMIO/IP-S controller or  +/-10V (velocity mode) in the CSMIO/IP-A motion controller.

Further, Mach4 has the “Enable Step/Dir Spindle rigid tapping” option, which you may think should treat a spindle as a rotary axis. It means that even without synchronization provided by a CSMO/IP controller, rigid tapping should be possible because the spindle has become a full-fledged rotary axis. Unfortunately, it’s not like that. ArtSoft informed us (a few months ago) that it would be corrected. (as of 02/16/2022).

Our developers plan to release a plugin update for Mach4 soon that includes the rigid tapping as well if:

we get documentation of newly added functions and changes in Mach4
newly added functions and changes made in Mach4 will work as assumed.
we get explanations for questions we may have.
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CS-Lab / Re: CSMIO/IP-A Mach4 lathe retrofit

« on: April 13, 2020, 11:46:45 AM »

Hi there Today the cslab people answered me again. They have told me that they will test next week on their machine that they have tests. From there they will inform us. We are in touch. Gretting

I hope so ... Because it is causing me serious damage. My dissatisfied customer, with my bet on this CSMIO Lab system. I think Vital system would be the best and most reliable option. I agree with @Joeaverage. They have no interest in fixing that.

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CS-Lab / Re: CSMIO/IP-A Mach4 lathe retrofit

« on: April 08, 2020, 12:39:07 PM »

Jose Luis, I have everything updated, Mach4 and CSMIO Firmware.

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CS-Lab / Re: CSMIO/IP-A Mach4 lathe retrofit

« on: April 07, 2020, 02:03:04 PM »

Jose Luis, I tried with the 500 pulse encoder, and it didn't work. CSMIO Lab send anything?
We are in a critical situation, as I see that only with their help can we have this function (Thread) working.
I sold this machine, promising that it would make thread.
Maybe migrate to Vital System.
I look forward to your good news. Thanks

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CS-Lab / Re: CSMIO/IP-A Mach4 lathe retrofit

« on: April 05, 2020, 10:02:23 PM »

Hello, I have the same problem, exactly the same with CSMIO Ip-A. I already wrote to them and had no answer.
In my experience, in all other CNCs, when we do not have the encoder reference signal (Io and / Io), they also stop after positioning the axes to start the thread. If we do not have the other encoder signals, we have a feedback error, as we do not have the rotation within the limits, etc. But with the fault of reference signals, nothing is reported. In reality, only the encoder reference signal the CNC needs to make the thread.
With that I left to see the reference signal and noticed that.
1. I was using an encoder with 5000 impulse ie x 4 = 20000 pulses.
2. On the CSMIO ENC leds, I didn't see the reference signal, (of course it is very short). But in reality the positive sign did not exist. So I inverted with the negative sign and changed the parameter of the plugin, saying that it was active at zero. No result either.
My bet now is: I will change the encoder for one with 500 pulses, that is 2000 pulses, with that the width of the reference pulse will be bigger. That's my bet now.
I will make this change until 7/4.
Otherwise, I hope as you will be a help, and a solution for this, because I bought this equipment to be able to work, without it I can say that CSMIO is not being very attentive to us.

Good luck, and if successful, I'll let you know.

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CS-Lab / Re: CSMIO/IP-A Mach4 lathe retrofit

« on: March 24, 2020, 01:55:06 PM »

I have the same problem .. G76 and G32 do not work with Mach4 and CSMIO IP-A .. Any help?