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General Mach Discussion / Re: Newbee limit switch false trigger problem
« on: October 09, 2013, 07:02:43 AM »
Thanks Hood and John!

iqbal, listen to Hood and John, they give as solid advice as you will find.

Brett

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 :)

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Newbee limit switch false trigger problem
« on: October 09, 2013, 12:57:13 AM »
 :) Debounce in Mach has no effect when running the SS.

I think you will be fine with the 1uf cap but not 100% sure. Sounds like you've done your math so I'll trust your judgement. Been up for a while and not thinking............. at all, much less remembering that formula. T=RC? I honestly just cant remember right now. I guess really wont matter so much as long as its consistent and snubs it. Just don't borrow one from your 40 HP phase converter.......... might break a hard stop.  :o Seriously though, wait for confirmation for anything I said........... I'm beat.

You may want to check on the Warp9 site/forum. Seems there were some models that breaking a resistor off would help some. Might try running a ground from SS to PC case too. I'm convinced suppressing noise involves a little crows foot, frogs breath, hens teeth black magic at times but I think you know that already.  ;)


Brett

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Newbee limit switch false trigger problem
« on: October 08, 2013, 11:22:46 PM »
Hold on, did you try setting any noise filtering in the SS plugin? Set it low and see if ti helps.

Brett

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Newbee limit switch false trigger problem
« on: October 08, 2013, 11:03:49 PM »
I just loaded your xml and it sure looks like noise to me. What kind of hardware are your running? XP, 7, 32 bit, 64 bit, what breakout board? Have you tried setting your debounce to 2000? Why do you think there can't be any noise? Is your cable a straight thru or is it a standard printer cable? Are you running any anti virus?

This link may help.
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,25616.0.html#new

Brett

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Mach SDK plugin questions and answers. / Re: Lost plugin help
« on: October 08, 2013, 05:02:58 PM »
I think that was a feature in older versions of Mach but I cant remember for sure. Have you looked at the plugin Klaus did? Would that work for you?

http://www.kd-dietz.com/klausphp/downloads/eng/plugincamerav2.12.exe  

http://www.kd-dietz.com/klausphp/pages/eng/machscreen/description/ms_description.html

Brett

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Some of the most common problems I see are the ill effects of EMI (electro magnetic interference). AKA electrical noise. The adverse effects EMI can have on a system run the gamut and are too vast to list them all but I'll give you a few examples.

External E stop requested when no e stop switch or button is activated.
Limit switch triggered when the axis are no where near their limits.
Referencing or homing fails (most of the time a limit switch triggered error occurs while homing).
When my plasma turns on (you name it). When a plasma fires it produces an enormous amounts of electrical noise.
When I turn my spindle on (you fill in the blank, axis jumps, limit switch triggered, etc.)

 I get asked almost daily how to solve this. This is not a software problem, it is a design problem and the only thing you can configure in the software is debounce (aka noise filtering) in general config. (also in some plug-in configs.). This is a work around at best to compensate for inferior design. It is to the electrical system what backlash compensation is to the mechanical system. It is a band aid at best. Just as band aids are meant for minor wounds debouce is meant for minor imperfections in design. Heavier bleeding requires stitches and severe noise issues will often require re-designing. Obviously the best time to try to avoid these problems is in the design phase of any project. Hopefully you knew this when you started your project. If not, it will not change the steps necessary to build a solid system and you likely have some rework to do. No sense sulking about that either, whats done is done. Best to dig in and get it sorted now. You have work to do and there is no silver bullet in the software to fix it for you. My intent is not to make you feel good or bad about your mistakes but rather to give you the information to fix them or hopefully avoid them all together.

Here are a few broad suggestions:
Physical separation or distance between low voltage, low current signals/sources/components and high voltage, high current signals/sources/components should be a goal throughout your design.
If low voltage and high voltage wires must cross, try to cross at 90 degrees. Running such lines parallel to one another is a no no.
Shielded cables are not optional in many instances. Shielded cables are more expensive but do you want it to work or almost work?
Google Faraday cage. Use this method when needed. Try to keep a conductive, grounded partition between low noise and high noise components.
If you must run signal wires outside of your low voltage cabinet I strongly urge you to use some type of optically isolated converter to take the signal from 5 volts to 24. This will usually give you 5 times the noise immunity right off not to mention the positive benefits of the optical isolation. I have used opto 22 modules quite a bit but there are all sorts available to choose from.
Star grounding.
Conditioners, not just for shiny hair!

These are a couple of great videos on switch bounce. The first also covers EMI a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj-Q8FQxHhU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZMiKMUec9o

All of this and more is covered in more depth at the following links. They are not very long and very informative. To skip this step would be shooting yourself in the foot.

http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCCNCNoise.html

http://openbuilds.com/threads/electronics-101.693/

http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,16323.0.html

http://www.panduit.com/ccurl/371/589/journj-ar005_-en-p.pdf

This is a great link that covers a lot of ground in a single page.

http://www.autodev.com/files/downloads/controllers/bh01.02-adi-good-wiring-121906.pdf

And a few other good ones I found.

http://www.controldesign.com/articles/2008/reducenoise0812/?show=all
http://www.mccdaq.com/PDFs/specs/Noise-Reduction.pdf
http://machinedesign.com/article/top-tips-on-squelching-electrical-noise-0619

Thanks,
Brett

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I cant remember if the one I got came with a usb cable or not. I don't think it did. It used an a male to b male cable.

Brett

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The cable and its connections are covered in GS2 manual. I used some cat6 with I think it is an RJ12 connector and I used a usb to 485 adapter at the pc with screw connectors for the serial side but you could just use a serial connector (DB 9) if your PC has a serial port. You can find all sorts of usb to serial adapters. Automation direct sells some and cables to go from adapter or serial port to drive.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-RS485-FTDI-interface-Converter-BOX-/280710974429?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415bad8bdd

Brett

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I run a GS2 and control it over modbus. You could control it over modbus or the digital inputs if you want mach to control it. You can operate it from the front panel if manual operation suites you. List your requirements and I'm sure you will get some suggestions on how to do it. My suggestion is to do it over modbus. This will have very little to do with your screen. Watch the video tutorials on modbus and download the manual for the drive. All the addressing and parameters information is in the manual. You can get Qmodbus for free. Its a nice app I use to help answer modbus questions. Get the drive, wire it up to your spindle, use qmodbus to turn it on/off/fwd/rev and adjust the freq. Once you get the hang of it will be pretty easy to set Mach up to control it.

Brett

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