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G-Code, CAD, and CAM => LazyCam (Beta) => Topic started by: W.Jansen on May 13, 2008, 11:14:57 AM

Title: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 13, 2008, 11:14:57 AM
Hi Brian

Could you make it possible to move entities from one chain to another chain.
As you can see in the picture if I select an chain on the outside then entities in the inside are selected as well.
I want to cut the entities in the inside of the shape 0,5mm deep and the shape as it is must be cut 1,5mm deep.
So I need all the entities inside the shape to be one chain and the outside of the shape to be another chain so I can cut in different ways.

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: budman68 on May 13, 2008, 12:22:16 PM
Have you tried the "Chain-Ent Sel" toggle button on the right hand side of the screen?

I'm guessing you have but thought you might have missed it.  ;)
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: Chip on May 13, 2008, 02:55:21 PM
Hi, Willem

Post your DXF file, Do you have the LazyCam Lic. ?

Now I can see what your trying to do, The lines in the middle should not connect to the outline shape.

If thy don't, In Setup, Loading Options, Connection Line Tol., Set it to .001 or .0001 and re-load your dxf.

Maybe as Dave stated use "Chain-Ent Sel" to select the outer entity's you want, Then use Offset, Then delete them.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 13, 2008, 03:51:04 PM
Hi budman

Yes I used that to select the entities (or chains) bud as you can see in the screenshot one inside entitie is connected to the outside entities.

Hi chip

I have the same settings as you do, I did play around with the tolerance settings, it gives by each setting A different result.
Each time I push the clean button I also get A different result (without change any setting).
Yes I have A license.

Here is the dxf

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 13, 2008, 03:57:29 PM
Hi Chip

P.S.
You mean if I delete the original outside chain the inside entities are for sure not attached to the outsidechain, did not think of that option

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 13, 2008, 04:23:01 PM
Hi Chip

Just attempt to first select the outside and make A offset bud if the tolerance is to Small I don't get A closed chain and if to big inside entities will be selected as well
If I make the tolerance very very very Small I can select the entities in the inside as if they were chains and then I can move them (as A group) away from the other entities so for now that is what I have used bud this is very complex.
It would be more easy if entities could be moved to A different chain (and after that to A different Layer).

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: budman68 on May 13, 2008, 04:25:39 PM
Ok, I just downloaded your dxf and then opened it in Lcam and I zoomed in to the tail area and clicked on the outer section and as you can see by the screenshot below, it separates the entities/chains nicely. not sure how or why it didn't for you, but it did. Is this what you're after?
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 13, 2008, 05:15:19 PM
Hi Chip

Did you select it with one click????
If I see it good you did not clean first?
For me this is unbelievable.

I have also problems with making an offset with the wing, maybe if you try it wiil come op excellent.
I did try it with A tool with 1mm diameter.

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: Chip on May 13, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Hi, Willem

It was Dave that posted the new pic. of the tail feathers, Although I got the same results using .01 Load tol.

Part of the problem with the dxf is there are a few unconnected lines in the wings, See below.

I'll look it over a bit more, Was tied-up earlier today.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: Chip on May 14, 2008, 01:46:42 AM
Hi, Willem

I cleaned up your DXF a bit.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 14, 2008, 01:52:24 AM
Thanks Chip

I can see that I must look better to the most little thinks.
On the place where the second screenshot was taken I saw in Lazycam A stop off the chain bud I could not see why.
Bud now when I zoom in deeper I can see the break.
I will fight A bit more with the file to see what is more wrong.
I am curious to see if you can make A pretty offset on the wing.

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: budman68 on May 14, 2008, 12:06:35 PM
Yes, I did not clean it first and today I tried to do an offset with your dxf and no luck at all. I tried Chip's as well and it came out a lot better so try his dxf with the offset-

Sorry I couldn't be of more help to you.
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 14, 2008, 12:36:42 PM
Hi Dave

Thanks for reply.
I was thinking Chip had try the Tail bud it was you, sorry my mistake.
At the end i manage to make A resable file with offsets bud I hate it when I don't know watt is wrong in A drawing.
In the file of chip I could not make an offset of the wing although it was in one click selected as A chain.
never the less it would be easy if I could move an entity from one chain to another (that is what started this tread) and it also would be suitable if there is A possibility if chains , entities and layers could be locket so they Will not be rearranged in A cleanup or optimize command.

Greetings and thanks:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: Chip on May 14, 2008, 04:48:45 PM
Hi, Willem

I worked on it some more, Hears an .LCAM file with everything but the right wing offset.

Load it and set your depth of cut and post, Will look at it later, Found some more unwanted lines.

Also a Tap file with no depth of cut.

Chip
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 14, 2008, 05:28:43 PM
Thanks Chip

Looks good, I did also take A better look at the drawing and found A lot of rubbish (double lines etc.).
I had take the drawing from the internet (somewhere in in the cnczone group) and modified it A bit bud somehow deleted lines did remain in the drawing.
Now I think it is usable'

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: Chip on May 15, 2008, 03:03:02 AM
Hi, Willem

Hears a g-code file done with BobCad v22 cut depth -2.0, Tail feathers mouth & eyes  -.5, Rapids .1 & .5, F speed's .7487.

May need to change some of them.

Chip
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 15, 2008, 03:21:41 AM
Thanks Chip

Cnc life is nice at the end of the job.

P.S.
What was wrong with the Right wing (why would it not offset)

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: Chip on May 15, 2008, 12:39:51 PM
Hi, Willem

It would offset with a .5 tool, But not the 1.0 one, There are still some quarks in LCam.

The left wing quit offsetting hear now also, I guess sometimes you can't "Wing It".

BobCad even missed one feather cut, Had to edit it in.

Chip
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 15, 2008, 03:28:49 PM
Hi all

Now A am getting really frustrated.
Thanks Chip for the cleanup files bud of course I also made my own files to see and learn from all yours and others input.
I made A dxf that is respectable (removed allmost all splines and changed in to arcs , loaded in Lazycam , rearranged all paths to cut in the wanted order , rearranged all chains in A few layers , made offset on all items and I may say it went perfect including the right wing.
So far so good bud A man has to sleep sumtimes , so saved my work (did that of course also in between), went to sleep , wake up , go to work , come home and with good faith start to edit again to make the cutdephts and the tabs.

To make A short story long , I opened the lcam file and found out that in the layer ONDIEP all the entities and chains are gone except one chain and one entitie.
If I enable the layer (on the picture ONDIEP) all entities are shown in the drawing bud not in the list and I can set the depth of cut so i think I rescue my project bud that's all I can do with it.
This is real frustrating.

I have the lcam file included.
I also included the tap file I made.
If you run the tap file you see also one of the reasons why I want to move entities to another chain.
It cuts to one mm in more steps bud now each entitie is cut at a time and not as A chain what take Allot of time moving up and down.

Greetings:
Willem
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 15, 2008, 03:49:48 PM
The Lcam file will not upload for som reason
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: Chip on May 15, 2008, 08:58:36 PM
Hi, Willem

Try renaming you Lcam file name if it has been used before it won't upload/post hear.
Post the new dxf you created also.

What type of material are you cutting ?

Chip
Title: Re: move entitie to another chain in Lazycam
Post by: W.Jansen on May 16, 2008, 01:12:21 AM
Hi Chip

I wil cut in 1mm aluminium.
Here is the lcam file and the latest dxf, in this dxf are still A few dubble entities bud I removed them in Lazycam (cost me A lot of time to find them).

Greetings:
Willem