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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: MachBruce on April 04, 2008, 12:24:16 AM
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I am investigating a suitable router or spindle for my new machine. Ideally it would be nice to have a "Proper Router Spindle" but finances dictate that I will maybe have to settle
for a quality router.
I would like something like a Portacable 7518 3 1/4HP but I am still trying to find out if or where I can find one of these brutes. (They may not import into Australia)
I know Festool, Makita, and Metabo all make plunge routers that are nearly as powerful but they are not so easy to mount
Can anyone point me to other alternatives?
I have built a very robust machine and it deserves a powerful spindle that won't brake the bank!
Bruce
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Hitachi makes a 2.25 HP motor. Model M12VC. Its not listed on the Aussie site, though.
http://www.hitachipowertools.com/store_item.php?iID=235&arrPath=1,12,61,p235,
http://www.hitachi-powertools.com.au/Subcategories.aspx?CATEGORY=Woodworking&SUBCATEGORY=Routers/Trimmers
Personally I would rather have the porter cable. Even then, if you want to cut metal, it will be strained, and the finish cut quality may not satisfy. I use a small porter cable (under 2hp) on aluminum. It works, but forget about doing something quickly with it. If your cutting wood, I don't see any problems with any quality router being used. I remember hearing festool was coming out with a large router, but I haven't looked into it.
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The Spindle is a very important part on a wood-router - I had build a table and was using very cheap hand-routers - and I tryed a few brand's
They all burn after two -three full days run and max feedrate was around F900 (before they start to loose speed)
with 8mm/bit in 19mmMDF (MDF=medium desity woodfiber --quality loudspeakers use this material)
then I found this :
http://www.made-in-china.com/china-products/productviewclnEdqQyamts/High-Speed-Spindle-Motor.html
brushless watercooled spindles at a very nice prices -
I have tested a 3kw + inverter + waterpump and have run this for around 6month with around 3 to 18 hours runs a day
easy cutting 19mmMDF at F2000 with 8mm/CARBIDbits - ;D ;D
I have a 2,2kw for test now - and it also cuts with the same feedrate with no speed-loss -and i think it will run a long time to.
and they all run with 240v 1phase
oeSoeraa
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Sounds interesting oddaman,
I have sent an inquiry to the company re specs and prices.
What sort of cost is involved for a spindle, drive and collet system?
Bruce
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2,2kw with inverter was around 800 AUD ( I think you are in Australia ).
it is round - with a diameter 80mm ( ask if they can make a sutable clamp to you)
But please see the answer from Wingspread company.
They have changed brand for some of their spindles -
They come with ER20 collets - but ask for everything:
2,2kw spindle + inverter + waterpump +x meters of rubber-tubing
+ 6mm/collet + wrenches - (for some reason they don't have 8mm)
(ask for a set of engravers to.They come with a insert in 6mm collet to 3mm)
I think you will be pleased with this -compared to the hand-router with brushes
And I recomand helix carbide bits - they make a LOT less noise then "normal" bits.
I found good one from http://www.american-carbide.com/
(but you have to order many and shipping cost is high)
oeSoeraa
2,2kw =2,95HP
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I have done a bit of web surfing, the above spindles they look very cost efective. As you say about $700-$800 for the spindle and drive.
How did you find the company to deal with. Any hassles? At that sort of money it is not much more that a quality hand held router. 240V operation is a bonus.
6mm collet size is a bit limiting, But for 99% of my machining its problably fine.
Bruce
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Only good things to say about the Wingspread company -hoperfully you get an anwser from them with prices and so on.
It's a Chinese brand, but the spindle I have testet was very good and still running. Compared to any hand-router it's lot better.
1rpm to 24000rpm - watercooled - no dust blowing other then from the cut it self .
as for collet - you probably find an 8mm insert from a local machine-dealer.
(I use 8mm -just because it a bit stronger at this feedrates 2000mm/min 19mm straight a head)
it's an ER20 collet size and can take a least 16mm collet-insert.
The last spindle was shipped by air and under a week it was up running -( around 140AUD)-
Only thing is to be very spesific when ordering -so everything is asked for and priced.
oeSoeraa
the spindle in action : http://artsound.no/cutting/
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Very impressive O,
Now I am definitely keen.
Do you have a url for the "Wingspread Co" I have only tried Saka-cnc for information.
I googled windspread with no sucsess.
I will be posting some initial movies/still of my machine soon.
Bruce
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It look's like they have a new name Shanghai SAKA CNC Equipment Co., Ltd
It's the same machine on that web page.
They have recently got a web-site. only 80hits
-they did not have a web site before - only on made-in-china.com
http://www.saka-cnc.com/index.php
email:
cncroutersale@yahoo.com
I have sent a mail to them -
oeSoeraa
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Thankyou
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they have sent a mail to your bnye@utas.edu.au address
please tell me if you want me to remove your address here-
oeSoeraa
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Thats ok,
I have receive an email from them , thanks.
I am getting a quote
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oeSoeraa,
I have recieved my quote for the entire spindle system including cooling water pump -- A$910
I have just posted my first ever UTube video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXiN70j658Y ) of the first file I cut on my machine last week. It will be fantastic
when I replace the very temporary Ryobi with the new spindle.
Bruce
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Bruce
Nice machine on "you tube" - hope you will have a lot of fun -
when you receive the spindle and water pump
don't worry about the slow water-flow .
I was wondering about if there was something wrong,
but the spindle has never been very hot.
oeSoeraa
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I will be ordering the spindle in a couple of weeks - bills to pay.
I am installing dust extraction at the moment. 1200cfm 4" system that should work ok.
I am wondering if SAKA can supply Vacuum hold down systems? I will ask in my next email. They are noisy and suck allot of power.
Bruce
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Hi,
I will be purchasing a spindle from saka shortly.
I will post my findings when it arrives.
Bruce
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Hi Bruce,
Did you end up ordering the spindle and other accessories??
If so how has it been running?
J
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Spindle has been running perfectly for some months now. It this moment I am cutting a 3d file for a model 3.4m RC Glider. Each surface takes about 3hrs at 90mm/sec.
Spindle is quiet and does not get warm at all.
Very happy!
Bruce
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Nice one Bruce,
Could you tell me what you ordered from these guys??
Does the spindle need water cooling if so did you order a pump??
and did you go with the ER20 collets.
Also are you controling spindle speed via Mach through the inverter??
Sorry for all the questions
J
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Hey Bruce, is it possible to post a quick video of it running so we can all hear the noise these motors make. I laughed when I watched your video as I am running the same Ryobi router and the noise is deafening. Nice job as well