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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: Cartierusm on November 27, 2018, 05:52:15 PM

Title: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 27, 2018, 05:52:15 PM
So I've never used a touch plate to set the Z height of tooling before, but would like to set it up in Mach 4. I'm sure there's lots of posts about this, but the search function is still not working, but my question is this I use some super small bits .0156" to be exact. I mean they are tiny. If I use the auto tool set feature in Mach 4 and it brings a .0156" bit down to a touch plate is that going to break my bit. I mean once conductivity is present how quickly does Mach 4 and my Pokeys57CNC react?

Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: joeaverage on November 27, 2018, 05:59:17 PM
Hi,
I use 0.4mm and 0.5mm (16 thou and 20 thou) endmills for making PCBs. I use a touch plate, actually the copper plated PCB
blank.  I have had success with this method, ie not breaking the endmill, with Mach3 and a parallel port and for the last two years Mach4
and an Ethernet SmoothStepper.

May I suggest setting up your touch plate but install some sacrificial bit of stiff wire or similar and experiment. Once you get it sorted and
realize just how good probing really is you will NEVER go back to doing without it!

Craig
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 27, 2018, 06:01:11 PM
Joe, AGAIN THANKS!!

Can you recommend a post or tutorial on how to set this system up with Mach 4 and my Pokeys board?
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: joeaverage on November 27, 2018, 06:17:59 PM
Hi,
the only videos I can find are for Mach4 and an Ethernet SmoothStepper.....same ideas though.

Craig
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 27, 2018, 10:08:17 PM
Ok i get hooking it up to pokeys, pretty easy I suspect. Take a pin on Pokeys and GND. One goes to the spindle and one goes to the plate I'm touching off of. Set up in Pokeys is simple just enable probe and fill in the fields. I've done that before.

What I can't find is where the script is or where the button is like in Mach 3 to Auto Tool Zero.
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: joeaverage on November 27, 2018, 10:26:38 PM
Hi,
try the Touch button.

Craig
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 27, 2018, 11:24:32 PM
AHHHH, Momma always said not to touch!! Cool.
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 27, 2018, 11:27:35 PM
Oh, is there a script I have to add? Or where do I find the built in one, cause I assume there are values to change?
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: joeaverage on November 27, 2018, 11:53:40 PM
Hi,
the Touch button should bring the Touch screen into view. Thereafter you select the measurement you wish to make, in your
case the Z height measurement......fill in the appropriate parameters.....and probe.

Craig
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 28, 2018, 12:11:58 AM
Ah cool. Thanks.
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: joeaverage on November 28, 2018, 12:32:19 AM
Hi,

Quote
AHHHH, Momma always said not to touch!! Cool.

Contrary to Momma's advice....touching wont make you go blind.......oops! Sorry just need to find my glasses to see what I've written! ;D

Craig
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 28, 2018, 01:02:22 AM
HAAA!!! Sorry who said that.
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 28, 2018, 11:38:36 PM
Got it all setup! Made a precision ground aluminum block. Works awesome, Thanks again for your help.

As a test I did a couple tests using a Tool Setter as the touch off block to see if it moves at all when the bit hits and it the needle didn't flinch. Pretty amazing stuff.

Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: joeaverage on November 29, 2018, 12:28:03 AM
Hi,
yes it is pretty amazing and remarkably simple too.

I'm picking that once you come familiar with it and start exploring some of the other Touch scenarios you be off and running,
not just tool heights either!

Craig
Title: Re: Auto Tool Setting with SUPER Small Bits, Help.
Post by: Cartierusm on November 29, 2018, 01:55:41 AM
Maybe. LOL I've been doing this for decades now and as complex are the things I do and build there is SOOO much more to learn or implement.