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General CNC Chat => Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) => Topic started by: CNCwt on June 17, 2007, 06:59:47 AM
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This is our SR-X3 CNC MILL on display during the China Machineries Exhibit in Manila last June 7-9, 2007. This is a system integration of the Sieg CNC-ready mill and the Mach3 software controller. It was the first small cnc mill introduced in the Philippine market as well as the official launching of the Sieg cnc-ready mill and Mach3 software controller.
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Here are more pictures of the SR-X3 CNC MILL
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Left and right side view of the SR-X3 CNC MILL
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Spindle Head of the SR-X3
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Y and Z axis way cover.
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X-axis ball screw and limit switch
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One-shot lubrication line and pump
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Splash Guard
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X-axis stepper motor with nice cover. Y and Z axis stepper motors are inside the Z column
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This picture shows the 4 connectors that separate the various wirings. One connector is solely for the 3-axis stepper motors with spare pins for a 4th stepper motor wiring. The 2nd connector is solely for the various limit switches, emergency stop, and spindle guard cover. The 3rd connector is for the Spindle Motor start/stop and forward/reverse. And the 4th connector is for line power supply of 220VAC (or, 110VAC if that is power supply line).
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Drip Pan of the SR-X3
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Base Stand of the SR-X3 CNC MILL
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Here are the specifications of the SR-X3 CNC MILL:
SR-X3 CNC MILL is a 3-axis CNC milling machine (optional rotary 4th axis available) based on the China Shanghai Sieg KX3-NU milling machine installed with stepper motors/drivers, ball screws, variable speed spindle motor, limit/home switches, oil lubrication line/pump, and operates under Windows 2000/XP/Vista using MACH3 CNC Software Controller.
SR-X3 CNC MILL Specifications:
Drilling capacity - 25 mm
End milling capacity - 16 mm
Face milling capacity - 50 mm
Table effective size - 450 x 160 mm
Table travel - X axis: 230 mm
Table travel - Y axis: 140 mm
Head travel - Z axis: 310 mm
Throat - 230 mm
Table T-slot size - 12 mm
No. of T-slots on table 3
Position accuracy - 0.01 mm
Quill diameter - 70 mm
Spindle taper - 1:10
Speed of Spindle - 100 - 3500 RPM
Max. Spindle motor torque @ 1500RPM - 5.5 N.m.
Spindle motor power - 1000 W
Power requirement - 110/220 AC 50/60 Hz
Machine dimensions - 780 x 800 x 930 mm
Shipping dimensions - 1000 x 1040 x 1040 mm
Machine weight - 170 KG
Shipping weight - 205 KG
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All 3-axis uses bipolar, 2-phase, 4-wire parallel, Nema34 (86 mm) Stepper Motors:
Axis Holding Torque Current/phase
(N.m.) (A/phase)
X-axis 3.3 6.0
Y-axis 3.3 6.0
Z-axis 6.0 6.0
All 3-axis uses Precision Ball Screw:
Axis Diameter Pitch Length
(mm) (mm) (mm)
X-axis 20 4.0 645
Y-axis 14 4.0 336
Z-axis 20 4.0 478
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ho CNCwt
I'm under the impression this mill is sold ina few different packages
can you list prices of all the different methods your selling the cnc_mill
what would be the most cost effective way to have a complete package with four axis also to Melbourne Australia
Time frame for machine to arrive ??? once full payment has been made ??
how much for this setup ??? your best possible price ???
cheers
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FPV_GTp,
Actually, I am not selling this SR-X3 CNC MILL outside of the Philippines at this point and that is why this is posted under the "Show N' Tell".
Allow me to explain the situation:
1) The basic unit is a Sieg cnc-ready mill called KX3-NU and it is basically an X3 mill retooled for cnc. It is not a retrofit at all. In other words, the Sieg factory installed all the ball screws/nuts, stepper motors and mounts (but not including the stepper drivers), one-shot lubrication line/pump, limit switches, the spindle with 1:10 taper with collets, spindle 1000W DC motor with variable speed controller that accepts 0-10VDC analog input, and the wiring/connectors ready for connection to the cnc controller system to be provided/used by the end-users.
2) I know you have seen variance of this cnc retrofit done by another company in China but this is entirely a different story.
3) In other words, when an end-user buy the KX3-NU, all he has to do is make his own controller system which will be composed of stepper drivers, breakout boards, spindle board to change PWM steps & directions ttl pulses to analog 0-10Vdc, relays, wirings, computer, Mach3 software controller and he is ready to go.
4) As to prices, since we are not equipped or prepared at this point to do re-export, no prices will be posted. However, just for indication, when this product is officially launched by Sieg in the rest of the world, I believe it will be very competitive against the SuperX3 cnc-retrofit you are presently seeing in the market.
5) My intention here is simply to show what this SR-X3 based on the Sieg KX3-NU is all about. And will welcome any request for additional info so that you will have a better idea of the machine.
6) Also, as part of our own on-going test of this machine, we will welcome your sending us a GCode file for actual milling test.
Best regards,
WT
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OK
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm do you have a website for more information on all this testing
So from your answer , Us Australian customers will miss out on the deal of the century
Or
Do you plan to have a agent in Australia as a distrubutor in Australia ??
cheers
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Hi, our website is still under construction and it is geared more towards our customers in the Philippines :)
Shhhhh, tell you something, Australians are not going to miss out on this deal. I believe Sieg will have its agent or distributor there. And if worse comes to worst, I may consider future possibilities of exporting the SR-X3 CNC MILL if the market is there :)
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FPV_GTp,
Actually, I am not selling this SR-X3 CNC MILL outside of the Philippines at this point and that is why this is posted under the "Show N' Tell".
Allow me to explain the situation:
1) The basic unit is a Sieg cnc-ready mill called KX3-NU and it is basically an X3 mill retooled for cnc. It is not a retrofit at all. In other words, the Sieg factory installed all the ball screws/nuts, stepper motors and mounts (but not including the stepper drivers), one-shot lubrication line/pump, limit switches, the spindle with 1:10 taper with collets, spindle 1000W DC motor with variable speed controller that accepts 0-10VDC analog input, and the wiring/connectors ready for connection to the cnc controller system to be provided/used by the end-users.
2) I know you have seen variance of this cnc retrofit done by another company in China but this is entirely a different story.
3) In other words, when an end-user buy the KX3-NU, all he has to do is make his own controller system which will be composed of stepper drivers, breakout boards, spindle board to change PWM steps & directions ttl pulses to analog 0-10Vdc, relays, wirings, computer, Mach3 software controller and he is ready to go.
4) As to prices, since we are not equipped or prepared at this point to do re-export, no prices will be posted. However, just for indication, when this product is officially launched by Sieg in the rest of the world, I believe it will be very competitive against the SuperX3 cnc-retrofit you are presently seeing in the market.
5) My intention here is simply to show what this SR-X3 based on the Sieg KX3-NU is all about. And will welcome any request for additional info so that you will have a better idea of the machine.
6) Also, as part of our own on-going test of this machine, we will welcome your sending us a GCode file for actual milling test.
Best regards,
WT
Very nice Weedy, really impressive.
Here's a file for you to play with.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/sieg.tap
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Hi John, thanks for the Sieg logo tap file.
Here are the pictures. The material is a clear acrylic plastic sheet I have lying around somewhere. And I used an engraving cutter as you suggested.
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This is picture of the Home/Limit Switches as installed in the Y-axis. I decided to mod all 3-axis' home/limit switches and the E-stop switch so that they will be working as NC instead of NO as a safety feature.
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By the way, Guys & Gals, if you want to see the smaller counterpart of this SR-X3 CNC MILL (this one is based on the X3), you should see this other posting:
http://www.artsoftcontrols.com/forum/index.php?topic=3579.0
I believe this KX1-PC is based on the Sieg X1 small mill.
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Here is the picture of the Spindle Speed Controller Board located at the back of the Z-column.
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And here is a picture of the CNC controller box (left one) temporarily housed in an old tower computer casing. The one on the right is the computer.
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Here is a picture of an upcoming CNC Lathe just to pique your interest.
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G'Day ALL!!!!!!
I say "G'Day ALL----as I am totally confused, so I would like some simple, honest answers from somebody!!!!! I am a "lurker" paid me money for my Mach license and have my Campbell board and after fiddling around on ebay for second hand bits and pieces have decided to spend the pennies saved from my pension on a small CNC machine--don't get me wrong my workshop runs a number of wood and metal machines!!!!!!! But I am confused; I was going to buy a X3 machine made by Sieg in China and I was hoping that it was not another "kit" from a backyard trader who takes your money but cannot show you a working machine or has no support system. I have looked at lots of pictures on the half dozen forums and read hundreds of posts. The big questions now are who is making what?, who is "trolling" the forums picking up information and recycling same as thier own, Who is actually thinking and working the solutions up, eg motor mounts on one machine look like exact copies of another makers X3. Mr Tans machine is called a "China Product" but appears to be out of the Phillipines. So do I buy a Sieg X3CNC???????Is it a Chinese machine, a backstreets of Manila job, a "lock-up" from some London suburb, an american or english re-baged and new paint job kit of parts?
It's not just the machine, it's the support, the guarantees, the spare parts the general help and advice for new players like myself ? If the "SieG X3" CNC is now cobbled together from parts from all over the planet, and from suppliers and countries with no track record in the field, and if those players seem to pay scant regard for the intellectual work done by others, I think I should give anything calling itself Sieg or X3 CNC a big miss!
I live in the middle of France; I am retired and do not work for anyone; I buy from anyone who offers me fair service for a fair price; I take exception to "dealers" pretending to be something else; I do not trust people who do not respect the intellectual property of others and I dislike the "loaded sort of questions and the approach of Mr Tan? Sieg? Sybil and others who want more personal information or query my status.
So, can anyone tell me what is going on. At this stage I will not purchase a Sieg product. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Darius Bartlett.
Crezancy en Sancerre.
France.
(Check the email address or google on the "austartisan" membership name)
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Dear Mr. Bartlett,
Sorry but I think my English is so bad that you have difficulty comprehending what I wrote :).
May I make a suggestion? Can you go over my postings at least one more time (personally, I will at least read it 10 more times :)) and tell me what is confusing you?
After that, kindly tell me again one thing at a time your problems and I'll try my best to answer them with my lousy English :).
And do have a good day!
Weedy
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--- In mach1mach2cnc@yahoogroups.com, "austartisan" <bartlett.darius@...> wrote:
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> G'Day ALL!!!!!!
> I say "G'Day ALL----as I am totally confused, so I would like some
> simple, honest answers from somebody!!!!! I am a "lurker" paid me
> money for my Mach license and have my Campbell board and after
> fiddling around on ebay for second hand bits and pieces have decided
> to spend the pennies saved from my pension on a small CNC
> machine--don't get me wrong my workshop runs a number of wood and
> metal machines!!!!!!! But I am confused; I was going to buy a X3
> machine made by Sieg in China and I was hoping that it was not another
> "kit" from a backyard trader who takes your money but cannot show you
> a working machine or has no support system. I have looked at lots of
> pictures on the half dozen forums and read hundreds of posts. The big
> questions now are who is making what?, who is "trolling" the forums
> picking up information and recycling same as thier own, Who is
> actually thinking and working the solutions up, eg motor mounts on one
> machine look like exact copies of another makers X3. Mr Tans machine
> is called a "China Product" but appears to be out of the Phillipines.
> So do I buy a Sieg X3CNC?Huh???Is it a Chinese machine, a backstreets
> of Manila job, a "lock-up" from some London suburb, an american or
> english re-baged and new paint job kit of parts?
> It's not just the machine, it's the support, the guarantees, the spare
> parts the general help and advice for new players like myself ? If the
> "SieG X3" CNC is now cobbled together from parts from all over the
> planet, and from suppliers and countries with no track record in the
> field, and if those players seem to pay scant regard for the
> intellectual work done by others, I think I should give anything
> calling itself Sieg or X3 CNC a big miss!
> I live in the middle of France; I am retired and do not work for
> anyone; I buy from anyone who offers me fair service for a fair price;
> I take exception to "dealers" pretending to be something else; I do
> not trust people who do not respect the intellectual property of
> others and I dislike the "loaded sort of questions and the approach of
> Mr Tan? Sieg? Sybil and others who want more personal information or
> query my status.
> So, can anyone tell me what is going on. At this stage I will not
> purchase a Sieg product. Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided
>
> Darius Bartlett.
> Crezancy en Sancerre.
> France.
> (Check the email address or google on the "austartisan" membership name)
>
Darius, lets try and work down your questions in order.
First off there are two models the X3 and the super X3, basically they are the same but differ in the motor drives to the head.
the X3 has a two speed geared head and 600w DC variable speed motor and the SX3 has a single speed 1000W variable speed motor, the SX3 can also tilt although what use this is on a CNC defies me .
Both machines are made by Sieg and sold on as Sieg. Some are then taken and converted to CNC either by kits or complete turn key machines by differing companies.
Support on the manual machines is carried out by the importers concerned at various levels. One only has to read news groups to find out who actually supports their products and who is just concerned with selling boxes.
Sieg has now realised there is a market for turnkey CNC's and has addressed that with the machine Weedy Tan has posted on various groups. This is also a genuine Sieg product so now the stable consists of three machines although this machine is not on general release yet.
As regards support for the CNC range this is even worse than the manual machine as the importers can now wash their hands of them and throw it back onto the kit makers. Lets face it would you spend time and money on a machine someone else had been paid for?
It also depends on what country you are in as to what service you can get.
The Syil machine for example is sold here in the UK by an importer who can't support it and it has to be supported from Syil in America with the appropriate waiting due to time differences.
There are many reports on CNC Zone about the documentation or rather lack of it that accompanies these machines.
As regards the intellectual work done by others that'd hard to clarify after all it's hard to get away from two machines that started off life the same and should do the same when finished.
Just how they perform and the quality of the donated parts makes up this difference.
However there is a difference and it does show in the quality of the work, dedication to support and general interest in the subject as opposed to just banking cheques.
There is nothing wrong with the Sieg machines, they make a good donor to do a conversion at a reasonable cost.
For a small extra outlay they can be improved even more, lets face it for ********* ? euro's / dollars/ pounds you are getting a machine for a fraction of what it would cost to make in the West.
So there are two ways of looking at it.
One are the cheapskates who say the machine cost me ********* dollars and so and so wants YYY dollars to improve it, I'm not paying 1/3 as much again [ or whatever ] to do this.
The second school of thought say if I buy this for ********* and then spend YYY to improve it I will still have a better machine than one costing a lot more at ZZZ.
The second type of person is someone who knows what they are doing and can see long term.
The first type of person is a wanker and it's a pity his dad wasn't
John S.
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Okay... When the lathe is ready to ship I will send you my shipping info !!!! that is what I need for software development!!!! The Emco that I have is a nice machine but I like the size of the one that you are showing ;)
When will you be ready to start shipping the new lathe?
Thanks
Brian
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This is the new color scheme of our SR-X3 CNC Mill
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In the previous pictures, the right side shows the computer 17" LCD monitor, computer and control box with its own pedestal stand.
Pictured below is the Control Box of the SR-X3 CNC Mill using the CNC4PC C11G breakout board with 3 China-made stepper drivers, 1000W transformer, Omron 12VDC PS, Omron 5/12VDC PS.
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Here are 2 SR-X3 CNC Mill ready for system integration.
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Oh, here is the previous RED colored SR-X3 CNC Mill for color comparison :)