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General CNC Chat => Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) => Topic started by: gravie on August 21, 2016, 05:32:35 AM
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My new Project
Mach 3 or 4, Mikron WF3, CS Labs Controller,
Backpack case for the original control panel
Touch screen
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The work after 2 days
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The big problem is the manual gear box.
I want to use a frequency converter and change only one gear with a belimo actuator......i hope it works.
any other idea?
for the linear scale i use a heidenhain EXE 602 e converter (sinus wave to ttl) box.
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1. Step
TNC 131 out and CS LABS with Heidenhain EXE602E and frequency inverter in with the original servos.
2. Step
Modify Gearbox and ballscrew spindles
3. Step
DIY Tool Changer
4. Step
4.Axis
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Looks like a nice machine, looking forward to seeing the progress :)
Hood
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i have a question about the BBC servo amp.
mikron use a switch ( phase cange for motor and endcoder) after the servo amp for + and - feed.
but can i use the BBC servo axodyn 05LE amp with +-10volt for + and - feed?
i connect the cs labs io to pin 3 (Vref+) and pin (Vref-).
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the motor is a
http://callantechnology.com/callan_technology_products/TT-295X/TT-295X.html
kollmorgen/inland/callan TT2952B.
can i buy an alternativ controller for the servo motor?
i think, the BBC AMP only controll the speed and not the direction.
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after using google i found the follow motion controller with +-10v input:
Advanced Motion Controls Brush Type PWM Servo Amplifier 12A8K
or
Callan AS-80-8/15 DC SERVO AMPLIFIER
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I don't think the Amp will only control speed unless it was meant for something like a spindle.
I will have a search and see if I can find a manual for it in English as afraid I do not know German.
Hood
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Ok, it is indeed just a speed controller, was this used on the machine before?
Was it just used as a power feed of some sort?
Hood
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yes, mikron use a relais for cw/ccw switch.
its a 2 quadrant motor....and i found only the callan controller with +-10 volt input.
http://www.callantechnology.com/callan_technology_products/product_range.html
but where can i buy it or similar???
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I would imagine any DC drive that falls within the voltage and current specs of the motor would do.
Saw someone post recently about ones in the UK, it was just an amplifier rather than a drive but think it worked omk.
Will see if I can find.
You could contact AMC that you linked to earlier as they likely have something suitable.
Other option would be to watch eBay and see if you can find something.
Last option may be to go for AC servo motor and drive.
Hood
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Ok here are the ones that I had seen mentioned.
http://www.trminternational.com/index.php/products/motors-a-drives/dc-servo-drives.html
Hood
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i mailed with callan yesterday..i need an amp with 10A continus/ 90A? peak and115volt.
not easy to find and expensive with tranformer.
i think, it ist better/cheaper to got the way with used AC servos/controllers
is it possibile to use a siemens servo (or any other with differnt encoders, because i use linear scales) with a kollmorgen drive?
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Ah ok that is quite a high peak current.
Can't answer you with regards the compatability of Siemens motors and Kollmorgen drives. Some AC servo drives can be configured for other manuafacturer motors some will only accept their own.
Linear scales will make no difference with respect to the servo drives as you will be using the scales to feed the CSMIO/IP-A and as long as there is no backlash in the system it should work OK.
The servo drives and motors however will have to be compatible with regards feedback on motor and feedback acceptable to the drive.
Hood
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new pictures
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Looking good :)
Hood
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how should i connect the dahlander motor to the frequency converter?
low speed or highspeed?
can i turn/position the spindle for ATC with a dalander motor / frequency converter and proximity sensor with a 6 tooth wheel?
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Sorry don't really know, but think it will depend on the voltage your VFD outputs whether you use Star or Delta.
Hood
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the "high-voltage" area is finished.
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i want to connect the tool changer button for the hydraulic valve and collet chuck.
how is the right way for the option automatic tool changer and a faulty operartion at runtime M3/M4 spindle or programm.
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Sorry do not understand what you are asking, seems like it may be several different things?
Hood
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i want a manual button for unlock the tool clamping and i want the automatic tool changer funktionality.
- the manual button to an digital input
- the hydraulic valve for the clamping connected to an digital output
is this the right way?
but i can`t find the settings for this funktionality.
next question..
i use the mpg modul with 2 5v analog inputs.
can i use the inputs for the SRO and FRO potis or are the only for the mpg mode ?
the CSMIO-A use 2 analog 10v inputs for the SRO/FRO potis.
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manual page 72
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i can use the mpg modul anlaog input.
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a new idea for the gear chaning is to use a FALLER 180725 servo control, 4 outputs for servo modul , 4 inputs for switches, 1 output for a fixed, low spindle speed (input frequency converter).
and 2 or 3 RC jumbo servos with a torsion bar spring (same mechanical mounting as at the newer mikron WF41/51C machines)
http://www.faller.de/xs_db/DOKUMENT_DB/www/anleitungen/180725_anl_01.pdf
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Hmm, very interesting. I never knew such a device existed! I'm interested to see how you use it on your machine.:)
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yes, but the VB script is the big problem for me.
use everyone the heidehain EXE 602 box with a CSMIO control unit?
after pushing the reset i received a window with failure "DS26C31 Powersupply Malfuntion".
is the power consumption to high for the encoder chanels?
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the linear scale mistake was a inverted cable and plug .. ::) with the same colours, but a mirrored numbering. ???
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now i can setup the software
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the linear scales works now with the controller and the heidenhain EXE 602 adapters and the spindel too,
but i have problems with the amps and the setup for the axis with the pid tuning and moving the axis.
i can`t login in 2 of the kollmorgen 603 amps with the kollmorgen drive software and one csmio output are not at 0v. i change the shield cable with the shortest line to the csmio, but its the same shift (100mv). i can correct this with the software (in the servo am or csmio) , but it isn´t the right way.
the same problem as slovenic with the spindels?
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,32308.0.html
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how can i activate (easy) a solenoid with a (digital) input button (IO modul) and an digital output (csmio-a unit)?
with a vb script or with brain or easy in the mach menu?
i want also activate the toolchanger solenoid (output CSMIO-A unit) with a button (connected to the io modul ) after the m6 command.
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the tool clamping works now with a simple brain.
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i can´t find a M3 button in the software ....how can i turn the spindle on with an external button?
with a "send string to plc" command in brain?
and can i use the csmio-ip i/o`s direct with brain commands?
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i fitted the ball screws at the x and y axis, but the cheap micron spindels arent backlash free.
the pid tunings works now much better as with the old trapeziod spindles.
i changed today to the mach 3 62 version in an different folder.
how can ich transfer the cs labs settings to the new folder?
i have now problems to start the pid tuning, but the plugin works.
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Where did you buy the spindles ? Did you bought the spindles longer then they were in original ?
I have bought new motors and meanwhile im waiting for the motors im going to prepare everything for the belts.
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i bought the 3205 spindles from smalltec, germany, but the spindels are micron/ukraine
http://www.micron.ua/en/products/ball-screws
i think, hiwin spindles are better qualitiy.
the spindles are longer than orignal.
i can send you drawings for the parts.
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Did it cost alot of money ?
How hard is to change the spindles ? Are you considering also to replace the Z?
Yes that would be great . Im waiting for the motors now.
Thank you for your help so far !
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yesterday i found the controller for the original dc motors in an hungary ebay shop.
160v and 30a >:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No__uUdG1yY but not for the csmio ip A
http://www.cncdrive.hu/shop/index.php?productID=459
http://shop.cncdrive.com/
the shop sells cheap spindles too.
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the first run with the new z-axis spindle.
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this is the gear shifter
is ist a possibility to run it with a brain or works this only with an vba script?
i need/have:
6 inputs for the switches (only for controlling)
6 outputs for the position (to the faller servo box with programmed postions)
1 output for the spindle motor ( to the frequency inverter with an input for a fixed speed , 20 1/min for better gearing)
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the gear changing works, but still not perfect
https://youtu.be/y3hXnMe5g_8
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picture
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Hey, how is your progress? I have some small adjustments to make on mine and then hopefully I will run my machine on the end of January 2018
Still having some position correction we are talking 0.005mm the motor is constantly searching for the position.
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hallo slovenec,
it runs, but it needs fine tuning.
there are on all axis belt driven ball screws without gears.
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before
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Nice job! It looks like new. Can you help me with another mather . Which pull stud are you using the thing on the SK40 tool holder?
I can’t find one that will clamp into my microne.
Bestr regards
A picture for reference
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http://www.lyndexnikken.com/images/files/CAT40-Mori-Pullstud.jpg (http://www.lyndexnikken.com/images/files/CAT40-Mori-Pullstud.jpg)
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DIN 2080
http://www.eroglumakina.com/de/produkte/zubehor/anzugsbolzen/anzugsbolzen-din-2080
http://www.aydosa-tools.com/index.php/aydosa-products/tooling-systems/accessories-tooling-systems/accessories-pull-studs-din-2080
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Ooo man thanks !!! You saved me ! I was losing my mind wich pull stud is the right one !
Thanks alot!
Best regards
I will upload some pictures of my machine.
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Greetings,
can you help me some more? I have trouble with oil in the upper side in the motor spindle.
I filed some oil in the second hole, and the level raised in the first (oil level checker) in the second it looks like oil is in.
I don't have a clue how much oil t put in and are the two holes in the same oil tank?
I searched the whole internet for manuals Mikron wf3 and all I found are manuals for wf2 and some *********....
Do you know something about this?
Here are some pictures
https://ibb.co/dMgr4c
https://ibb.co/kZKNAH
https://ibb.co/j9WPPc (https://ibb.co/dMgr4c
https://ibb.co/kZKNAH
https://ibb.co/j9WPPc)
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Sorry pictures here :
https://ibb.co/dMgr4c (https://ibb.co/dMgr4c)
https://ibb.co/kZKNAH (https://ibb.co/kZKNAH)
https://ibb.co/j9WPPc (https://ibb.co/j9WPPc)
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one is for the gearbox an the other is for the horizontal spindle.