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G-Code, CAD, and CAM => LazyCam (Beta) => Topic started by: Brian Barker on May 21, 2007, 10:16:24 AM

Title: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on May 21, 2007, 10:16:24 AM: Hello,
Lcam Rev 2.02 is on the web and there have been many changes (some I hope you will not see)! You will see that there is now a tool table... The tool table will store the Feed speeds, spindle speed and depth per pass for each tool. You can have the same tool number for more then one tool as well.. So this is how we are thinking that you will use it:

T1 1/2 Inch Mill AL Rough
T1 1/2 Inch Mill AL Finish

This would give you two parameters for the same tool... You also could set the tool number to zero and Lcam will not output the tool number but will change the cutting parameters. So play with it and tell me what you think about how it works :)

There is not table for Plasma but the changes are done to every layer (you should be cutting the same plate in one Tap file). We were thinking that you didn't need to have a table for the plasma but we could be wrong...
There have been no changes to the turn code, we will work on turn after we have Mill and Plasma done.

Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 22, 2007, 12:31:58 AM: Hi, Brian

Small problem's.

Clean works after a few clicks to optimize path and remove a redundant line in bottom left square.

At load "Remove Duplicated Lines" misses it and without Auto Clean checked main window Clean doesn't seem to work as above.

Optimize gets Duplicated Lines again, But messes up Optimize Path now.

It would be nice to have a toggle up/down beside "Layer Name" in Info Layer Window

Cut Info Window " Set All Layers" won't up-date All Layers, best I can see.

In "Post Window" Reinstate the Return to Start/0,0 Option Check box,

You've been working hard.

So Nice !! Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on May 22, 2007, 12:44:02 AM: The problem is that you didn't set the tool :( I have tested it here and if you set the tool it will work as it should.
I think we may need to have a dialog box telling you that it is about to post and the tool has not been set.

Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 22, 2007, 02:05:33 AM: Hi, Brian

Was editing My post above during your Post, see above.

Cut Info Window " Set All Layers" won't up-date All Layers, best I can see.

It would be nice to have a toggle up/down beside "Layer Name" in Info Layer Window.

This would allow Quick Review of Info before Post without moving back and forth in the Project window through all the Layers & Chaines.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 22, 2007, 10:46:54 AM: Hi, Brian

In plasma mode while loading the above file, "test55Dotpolyline2.DXF"

I'm getting a UnRecoverable Error in "DrawStock" and Lazycam shuts down.

Work's fine in Mill Mode

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on May 22, 2007, 10:53:39 AM: Okay I will have a look at the file
Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on May 22, 2007, 11:04:33 PM: Found the problem and I will upload it to the web :)

Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 23, 2007, 12:23:49 PM: Hi, Brian

Just downloaded 2.02 LazyCam, That fixed the plasma file load problem, Thanks.

Look's like you did some work on Lathe Code also,Thanks !!

In Mill Mode, The Info Layers, "Cut" send/set to "All Layers", Isn't working.

In Plasma Mode, It's looking Purity Good. !!

In Lathe Mode, See Example's in later Post.

Your "S" key "Rat" is much bigger in Plasma mode than Mill mode and still lock's UP, I no it's just test stuff now.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 27, 2007, 03:10:44 PM: Hi, Brian

Give this Dxf a run, It posts just fine, But it won't offset ether Out or Inside in LazyCam.

In offsets, It looks like LC is using the portion of Dxf that generates the Profile shape, as LC did earlier in normal file in-port.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on May 27, 2007, 03:32:25 PM: Chip here is what mine offset as.
btw what program are you using to generate the airfoil.
Wes
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 27, 2007, 04:05:52 PM: Hi, Wes

I'm using LC version as of todays date, That's the only way i've figured out how to now what Ver.it is, When did you up-date LC last ?

The bottom profile looks good, But top is off in your post, Better than Mine.

I drew the A-foil in Turbo-cad 8, Hand drawn with spline feature, It doesn't relate to any foil data sheet.

Hear's a picture of it in Mach3, ready to cut 20 blade's.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on May 27, 2007, 04:42:08 PM: I just updated my lcam and mach3 with the latest betas on the download page Lcam 2.02 created May 21, Mach3 2.0.073 created May 25.
I was showing these version before but i did a full reinstall just in case. Fresh downloads and installs.
Same result as i posted. I've been trying to make mine look like yours but no luck yet.

Art-Brian did ya know that when you install the Mach 3 beta it installs the old version of Lcam?
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 27, 2007, 06:25:32 PM: Hi, Wes

I deleted my LC.xml and wound up with a offset like yours still has a problem on top line.

Thanks for the update on your versions, Helped me figure out the xml was the major problem.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 27, 2007, 07:00:52 PM: Hi, Brian

Deleted my Xml and try-ed it again, It's much better except the nose.

Shown with .01 offset's.

In offsets, It looks like LC is using the portion of Dxf that generates the Spline Profile shape, as LC did in earlier normal file in-port.

Thanks, Chip

The DXF for this is on page 1 & below.
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 27, 2007, 09:17:12 PM: Hi, Brian

Hears a copy of the DXF for above Picture, Forgot to tell you it was on page 1.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 28, 2007, 02:50:47 PM: Hi, Art & Brian

Having problems with Pocket & Offset's.

It looks like LC is using the portion of Dxf that generates the Spline Profile shape, as LC did in earlier normal file in-port.

Attached below is DXF for box around air-foil, Trying to cut box area and leave Air-Foil.

Needing Some Help Hear.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on May 28, 2007, 10:01:27 PM: You will need to use the zigzag to get it to work :(

thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 28, 2007, 11:39:52 PM: Hi, Brian

With Zigzag it dose the same, Thy also don't finish the Offset's or Pocket's.

In offsets & Pocket's, It looks like LC is Using the portion of Dxf that generates the Spline Profile shape, Not the Spline, As LC did in earlier normal file in-port's.

Look up a few Post's above,

How about posting this Working/Screen Shot, Show Me The Error's I've Made, Many hours spent for such a blow off answer, Just trying to post bug's I Find.

May Be Me, Been there Before, May Be You, Seen That Too. ;D :o ??? ::) and I now it's a Bata-Bata Version

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on May 29, 2007, 12:07:30 AM: Chip just playing with the airfoil DXF
Wes
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 29, 2007, 12:24:42 AM: Hi, Wes

Thanks, If you'll tighten the Offset up close you will see the errors on the off-setting the airfoil, It's not using the Spline line for off set's.

It looks like LC is Using the portion of Dxf that generates the Spline Profile shape for the offset's, As LC did in earlier normal file in-port's.

Just blowing off some Steam Hear.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on May 29, 2007, 12:45:09 AM: Yep i see what your saying most of what i do is turn so I'm just using yours as examples. But i do have a question whats the advantage of doing offsets in Lcam versus using the left and right tool offset? Beside the fact you just don't have to code them.

Wes
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 29, 2007, 01:31:07 AM: Hi, Wes

Well it's a mixed bag, Trying to help de-bug LC, Mach3 G41/G42 don't lead in/out the same, LC will save allot of time in cut and pasting of g-code.

Hears a view of blade cut and Tap file of same with out lead-ins on in LC and g42 tool offset turned on in Mach3 multi cut Gcode.

The lead in look fine the lead out doesn't extend out as it should and cut's off the trailing edge, I've posted this before no time to look at it I guess..

I may be doing something wrong hear though ???

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on May 29, 2007, 03:36:08 AM: remove the rapid z retracts LC puts these in for some reason
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 29, 2007, 10:28:29 AM: Hi, Wes

That seemed to help allot, Thanks,

Would have thought it would have finished the g42 tool off set even with it in there.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on May 29, 2007, 11:15:23 AM: The Extra lines in the drawing is a bug in the importer code..
We have a bug report to the place that is doing the DXF importer code... if we don't hear from them soon we will bump them again...

Once that is fixed we will work on the offset code :)
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on May 29, 2007, 12:46:48 PM: Hi, Brian

Updated LazyCam this morning, Pocketing is completing both Spiral & ZigZag Now, Thanks !!

Didn't now the bug was in the DXF importer, Thanks for the info..

I now your Working Hard all the time, Sorry for my ranting hear.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on May 29, 2007, 01:05:08 PM: Chip looks like a bright day for ya. Na your never suppose to retract a z until offsets are canceled.

Wes
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on May 29, 2007, 01:07:26 PM: I don't think of it as Ranting.. You have helped to make it better for everyone and I think they all thank you for it :)

Keep up the good work
Brian
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: PaulWC on June 01, 2007, 01:51:17 PM: Hi Art,

Here is the screenshot of my current Offsets attempt.

Thanks, Paul, Central OR
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 01, 2007, 05:40:59 PM: Hi, Art & Brian

LazyCam Downloaded this morning Ver 2.02

When LC opens, Layers, "Cut Rapid Hight" is 0.0000, After loading a DXF file "Cut Rapid Hight" is 60.0000, WOW Ba-beee... !!.

The 60.0000 value also appears in the Tool "Plunge Feed & Feed Rate", box's with "No Tool" selected.

It's not in the XML, It must be in the main LC code, Shouldn't it be 0 or some lesser value. ?

In Pockets "Spiral" getting the Error Below, With a 0.0625 value set in Parameter, "Tool Dir":, No Error, With a 0.1625 it work's Fine in Spiral and Zigzag ( Just Takes some time to sort-out everything } :D.

The Object to be pocketed is really Big X 407 Y 120 unit's "Meg-a Test Hear". :)

Final Error is "EndGLDraw1".

As I've stated before, It would be nice to have an indication that LC is Processing Data and a way to Cancel / Terminate the current Operation. ?

Windows is showing that LC isn't Responding, "WHEN IN FACT", It's working very hard and not Error-ing Out or Crashing.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 01, 2007, 05:48:14 PM: Hi, Paul

Would you Post your MillTest2 DXF file,

I'd like to look at it.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: PaulWC on June 01, 2007, 06:43:16 PM: Hi Chip,

It's been posted before under its original file name, but here it is fresh.

Also mentioned in previous post, the dxf offsets correctly in DeskCNC and CamBam on this Dell.

Thanks, Paul, Central OR
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 01, 2007, 07:38:52 PM: Hi, Paul

I was able to do this with values shown in Pic. below.

What values are you using in your other programs for tool size. ?

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 01, 2007, 07:57:37 PM: Hi, Paul

I was able to do this with values shown in Pic. below.

There are some Issues though.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: PaulWC on June 01, 2007, 09:14:25 PM: Hi Chip,

Here's a saved .Lcam project with all the ops I'm after, and a sample of working G-code for the outside chain.

The outside chain is the one I'm having trouible with. The offset for the outside chain is supposed to be a a profile cut that cuts the piece from the rectangular stock.

In my working version, from DeskCNC, I do 0.060" depth conventional mill passes leaving 0.010" stock. Then a climb mill pass at full depth to clean up the edges.

The five circles to the right are drill cycles. The larger circle to the left is done with a pocketing routine.

Your sample shows a pocketing routine for the outside chain.

Thanks for the quick follow-up,

Paul, Central OR
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 01, 2007, 11:09:07 PM: Hi, Paul

Have a look at this.

I gues while I was working on this 2.05 came out ! ?

Hope this is what your looking to do.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on June 01, 2007, 11:18:52 PM: Check the Rotate and the Move :) I think you will find them a bit better now!

I think that is the Rev that Art put on the web..
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 01, 2007, 11:28:10 PM: Hi, Brian

Just started to work with it.

Can .Lcam be added to Attachment Options. ?

The load and post to mach seem to be working now.

Thanks, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on June 01, 2007, 11:36:33 PM: Quote
Can .Lcam be added to Attachment Options. ?

What are you thinking???
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 01, 2007, 11:43:35 PM: Hi, Brian

Upload Options hear, instead of Ziping it and uploading.

Thank, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Brian Barker on June 01, 2007, 11:58:36 PM: It is done :)

Took me a min to find the setting ??? But I think I have it

Thanks Brian that got it. :D, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on June 17, 2007, 03:52:47 AM: Strange lcam import gives me all kinds of funky cuts
DXF att
Wes
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: Chip on June 19, 2007, 12:41:29 AM: Hi, Wes

This file has some issues, I think LCams importer is having problems with it also, Should be Up-dated soon I hope.

Hears a Lcam file I removed all but one Chain.

The Post by LC seems screwy Though,

Not much help Hear, Chip
Title: Re: Lcam Rev 2.02
Post by: wnevels on June 19, 2007, 12:59:35 AM: I think it is the way it was drawn I found another source for the airfoils and thier dxf are working correctly.

Wes