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Mach Discussion => Mach4 General Discussion => Topic started by: awander on July 30, 2015, 02:12:38 AM
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I finally broke down and bought a new PC for use with Mach3 & Mach4.
I use an Ethernet Smooth Stepper.
The PC is on the way to me, with Windows 7 installed.
I am thinking of upgrading it to Windows 10 when I receive it.
Is there any reason that Windows 10 would not work with MAch3 or Mach4, and the ESS?
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I have already used Mach4 on WIndows 10 preview and it worked well for the little bit of testing that I did with a Hiconn board YMMV.
Mike
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I'd be concerned about W10 having the authority to determine when it can check for updates and download them. Stuff like this can cause havoc. I see this as a killer for Mach on W10.
At least with XP, I can determine when I want to check, download, and install updates. PS, yes, I still get updates for XP.
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I see this as a killer for Mach on W10.
If your worried about that, just disable your network card while Mach is running.
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If it were only that simple. Unfortunately, when Windows goes looking for updates, it brings the system to it's knees whether it can connect to the internet or not. Prior to W10, one could just disable automatic checking.
Besides, it's nice to be able to connect to the design system to get G code files. Sneaker net is so 1990.
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It seems that I read somewhere that the Pro version of Windows 10 allows you to disable automatic updates.
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Yes, so that the IT guys aren't driven crazy when MS decides it's time for all of the enterprise's computers to be updated. It allows for an orderly corporate roll out.
We peons, on the other hand .......
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I see this as a killer for Mach on W10.
If your worried about that, just disable your network card while Mach is running.
Mach4 requires that the network card be enabled so that you can get a PC id. If you disable the card it might not work. You could of course disconnect the network cable which will work.
The nice thing with an external controller is that computer use is not as critical as with the p-port
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It seems that I read somewhere that the Pro version of Windows 10 allows you to disable automatic updates.
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We peons, on the other hand .......
I'm running 8.1 Pro, so I'll get 10 Pro for free.
If I was building a new machine, I'd spend the extra $30-$40 to get Windows 10 Pro.
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I have Win7 Pro 64 bit on this machine and a couple of other machines with Win7 Pro 32 bit, including the CNC computers.
There is something about my development machine (64 bit) that has me on hold for the upgrade, so they say, so probably one of the less complex 32 bit machines will take the plunge first.
I'll post back the results when I have some . . . provided my internet still works . . :D
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Windows 10 pro, Mach 3, and ESS are working for me.
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If your running Windows 10 Pro (Control Panel/All Control Panel Items/System) visit http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/
If you installed the 'Free' upgrade it should be Pro. Warning: If you have a DVD/CD drive using the ATA connector Windows 10 can not access it. This means you have no means to make a Restore disc so backing up a system image is wasted time.
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I am just setting up Mach4 on Windows 10. IT works and so far i have no troubles when rundning the machine BUT all the other stuff is giving me a LOT of pain. I believe there are still LOTs of bugs to be fixed before W10 with mach4 is ready for production use. Loads of hands on fixing in scripts is required (hobby screen), for me ESS plugin is far from ready ( unreliable startup, config changes tend to make ESS lose sync, limit switch hysteria hangs ESS, creating profiles not based on the default can led to corrupt configs and LOTs of displayd errormessages during mach configuration (effects are unknown...), open filé dialog problems when having special folders like g-drive etc.)
Non of this is verified by NS nor have the issues been reported by me but It is to much to be all me .
None of the bugs/errors have had serious or potential serious effects like machine going bezerk but still - feels shaky.
I am trying to locate all errors but same system same PC same stup config values on win7 mach3 has had 0 issues so far.
But i believe in Mach4 and w10 - just not yet. My reason for going with w10 now is development....
Just my two cents....
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it pays to run M4 as admin it clears some problems
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Just for info: I have reinstalled the entire PC with a non upgrade version of win10 latest release of Mach4 and latest ESS plugin. I edited the default mill profile to match my machine and most of my issues are gone. I have not started mach3 since and am now happily using mach4.
There are still issues with features and stuff not related to the actual running of loaded g-code. Some annoying ones are hitting the limitswith hangs ess 3 times out of 10, hack required to fix screen spindle speed, some default value of spindle pwm in machine.ini has to be edited to 950 instead of 1000 which slightly throwsmax spindle speed down 1/400th,
On some errors ess jus does not keep up and loses sync- but has not happend once a program runs, probing takes lots of manual work in scripts to make work etc.
Do i trust mach4 - Yes.
Do i trust ess plugin - Almost :D
Do i miss the missing features? yes!
Just to let all know if anyone cares...
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I have Windows 10 Pro on 3 different machines. 2 I upgraded from Windows 8.1 Pro and 1 came with Windows 10 Home.
Now on the machines that were upgraded from Windows 8.1 ,I installed Mach4 before upgrading and 1 I did not.
The 1 machine that I upgraded without previously installing Mach4 will not install the Plugin for Mach4.
The machine I installed Mach4 and the plugin before upgrading works just fine.
Now I can schedule any updates the software wants to install or says it needs to reboot so updates are no problem with Windows 10 Pro.
Hope this helps someone.
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I was running Mach4, lisenced, on Windows 8.1 (x64) Enterprise. Everything was fine.
I updated the operating system to Windows 10 (x64) Enterprise and now the lisence is not longer valid.
After checking in Mach4, Help -> About, i saw that a new PC-ID was created.
PC-ID Windows 8 MCH-70CCD9F3-EF5B-D479-496-BB78D25434
PC-ID Windows 10 MCH-81BE6B21-0B00-DE7C-8E64-609E0B6BB2F8
Don't know why but it is so.
Best regards,
Gerhard
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PCID is based on the PC configuration. New OS means new configuration, therefore new PCID.
Bob
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After several Problems is deinstalled Mach4. I made a new installation auf Mach4.
Everything is the same, nothing changed.
Now i'm wondering why it is like this:
PC-ID Windows 8 MCH-70CCD9F3-EF5B-D479-496-BB78D25434
PC-ID Windows 10 MCH-81BE6B21-0B00-DE7C-8E64-609E0B6BB2F8 --> ID after Update
PC-ID Windows 10 MCH-70CCD9F3-EF5B-D479-0496-BB78D2054304 --> ID after reinstalled Mach4
The PC-ID is the same like bevore!
I do not unterstand this, but i don't care about. ;D ;D
Gerhard