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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: fdos on March 31, 2007, 02:25:05 PM

Title: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: fdos on March 31, 2007, 02:25:05 PM
Art, Brian

Not sure where to put this or if there's already a thread on the subject.

Particularly interested in what status the work done on the Galil cards and even the Deltatau card is at this time?

I mentioned in one of the threads here the soon to be available Leadshine card from China, I now have the preliminary programming docs for that device if you are interested.

Any interest in the Passive boards now supported by EMC2?   like the

http://www.vitalsystem.com/web/motion/motion100.php and

http://www.vitalsystem.com/web/motion/motionLite.php

Plus the others.

Wayne....
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: DennisCNC on March 31, 2007, 07:31:19 PM
I like the price of the Lite board!
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 01, 2007, 11:05:24 AM
The Galil is being used by a few and I need to order a few of them for more testing and I would like to add a few cool things :) I am looking into adding rigid tapping and lathe threading.
The Delta Tau is not taking to me anymore :( I need to try to get the coms working again with the Delta Tau. as soon as I have that I am ready to get the Gcode working!


The two cars that you are showing would take WAY to much work to get running :( We would have to make a new ring zero driver to make them work :( The time that it would take to make them work...it is just not worth it. I would like to see the doc's from the other card that you are talking about!

thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: fdos on April 01, 2007, 01:41:05 PM
Shame about that, they look to be fairly well thought out cards,  I shall be trying one of them with EMC2 sometime.

Funny the EMC2 guys seem to say the oposite, they don't want to support any so called "smart" cards.  Nothing as strange as folk eh!

Where should I sent the docs on the Leadshine motion controller?

Wayne....
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 01, 2007, 02:34:34 PM
Why do the PID loops and all the other stuff it can be done in the card :) It is all time and I think they have more time to work at that level. Art and I are doing support and adding to the code to make it work better for the users. We look at the hardware and there are only about 1% that will benefit from the work. We like to add code that will help 50 +%

You can mail the doc's to me at brianb ( AT  ) newfangledsolutions.com , looking forward to seeing them
Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: yahuie on April 01, 2007, 06:34:31 PM
Brian,

With the rigid tapping, could it be done with a galil and a vector control frequency drive and motor?  You don't need a servo motor do you?

Bill
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 01, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
Yes once I get it set up you wil be able to tap with non servo spindle :)
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: fdos on April 01, 2007, 07:11:53 PM
Why do the PID loops and all the other stuff it can be done in the card :) It is all time and I think they have more time to work at that level. Art and I are doing support and adding to the code to make it work better for the users. We look at the hardware and there are only about 1% that will benefit from the work. We like to add code that will help 50 +%

You can mail the doc's to me at brianb ( AT  ) newfangledsolutions.com , looking forward to seeing them


Brian

Just emailed them to you.

Well I guess there are pro's and cons. EMC has to do the PID, read the encoders and set a velocity voltage, not sure what Mach's burden is with the various smart cards.

I shall be trying EMC2 though just to get a feel for what it's like.

Wayne....
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 01, 2007, 08:15:26 PM
The EMC guys make great software and work very hard on it! I have talked to the guys that write there software, What a great bunch of guys. They have done great things and without them we would not be here!

Like I said we could make that card work but it is all time :( Art and I would like to get all the more advanced stuff like that running in Quantum and have Mach3 as a low cost solution..

I am about to read the docs and I will tell you more when I am done :)

Thanks
Brian

Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 01, 2007, 08:28:58 PM
Yup, that would be a simple card to add :) So mail me the cost and I will see when I can find the time to add them (About 6 months I an thinking)
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: fdos on April 02, 2007, 08:39:51 AM
Brian when they become available I'll send you one.

The importer here is out in China at that factory now.   So it's only a few weeks, I'll get two when available.

Wayne....
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: yahuie on April 02, 2007, 05:20:51 PM
Does anyone know if the Galil plugin will work with the Galil 2180 ethernet card.  I ask because it is the older version.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 04, 2007, 09:17:19 PM
I "think" it will ...
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 04, 2007, 09:20:27 PM
Wayne,
I am started back on the Delta Tau! and I am thinking that I need to buy a Galil to test threading...  after I have that done I think your China card is about top of the list! I like the idea of a nice inexpensive card!
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: yahuie on April 05, 2007, 02:55:10 AM
I "think" it will ...

Thanks Brian,
I guess we'll see.  I just bought one and will be trying it in the coming weeks.  I asked the Galil people and they said the only difference was that the 22xx has faster ethernet, but like I said, we'll see.
Bill
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: roodesign on April 15, 2007, 12:02:38 PM
I am using the galil 2130...same as 2180, 'cept less axis...it works with mach3...it's on a lathe with amc analog drives, brush servos and 2500 cpr encoders....thanks, Roo Trimble
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 15, 2007, 12:59:13 PM
Roo,
I have been thinking about taking a ride down to work with you on your lathe... what do you think about that? I would like to work with  you to get the extended IO working as well as the threading! There is just so much to do and I know I am not going to have the time that is needed to wire up a test stand :(

Tell me if you think that would work for you?

Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: yahuie on April 17, 2007, 01:39:35 PM
I am using the galil 2130...same as 2180, 'cept less axis...it works with mach3...it's on a lathe with amc analog drives, brush servos and 2500 cpr encoders....thanks, Roo Trimble

Thanks for the info.  I'll let you know how mine goes.
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: roodesign on April 17, 2007, 10:50:48 PM
Brian, wow, I am speechless...that would be great...you name the time...my schedule is very flex...
the lathe is ready for software...(all the hardware 'cept hooking up the noids for the turret is done...)
any way that I could help, let me know...room, food, entertainment...you tell me....!

thanks, Roo :)
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: Brian Barker on April 18, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
Okay I think that I should work on getting the data for the threading first :) I will have time in a few weeks (I have OEM stuff that I need to get done as well as LCam Pro that I have to do ). So I will see about getting some info from Galil about how to engage the gearing and we will go from there !

This is going to be fun
Brian
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: fdos on April 26, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
Wayne,
I am started back on the Delta Tau! and I am thinking that I need to buy a Galil to test threading...  after I have that done I think your China card is about top of the list! I like the idea of a nice inexpensive card!

Brian

I heard yesterday that they intend to have some RS-274 support by end of year, but wonder if they really mean support with Mach?   Have you been talking with them at all?   I am awaiting more information.

What is the current state of functionality of the Galil Plugin?

I saw the posts over the last few days re the dspMC/IP card from Vital.   Although thats not really a cheap controller, I think it is important that all help is given to the guy especially if he's willing to have a go at the pligin himself!

The day we have all these external controllers working with good functionality will be a good day for Mach and those users that like to play or work with the big boys toys ;)

If there's any way I can help I will.  Got a lot of Big Boys toys here ;)


Wayne....
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: mikey9911 on March 17, 2009, 09:11:25 PM
has anybody done any work with the delta tua umac controller using Ethernet or usb. I would like to make a plasma machine and these controllers are common at my work.
Title: Re: Mach and External Motion control devices
Post by: poppabear on March 18, 2009, 08:53:20 AM
Both Brian and Art have said, that the Delta Tua Plugin idea is Dead from both of thier perspectives. It would appear that, they where unable to get any kind of support from them, and it was a SOLID mess to use there hardware.

   If Both Art and Brian gave up on it, then.............  Well you can always try mabey you can endure more pain.......hehehehehe

scott