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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: SirFinland on February 07, 2014, 08:18:21 AM

Title: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 07, 2014, 08:18:21 AM
Hi,

I have made a pocket size 60x40 mm and 2mm deep and it is cutting 0.5mm at a time.

But when it's done the right side off the pocket is not like it should be...

I'm using Cut2D
Look at the images....

Thanks!
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Fastest1 on February 07, 2014, 10:04:37 AM
   To me it looks like you are losing steps in the X axis (as the pic is posed). Is the deepest part of the pocket the correct width? It looks much worse in the upper picture. Did you change the feedrate? What changed in those 2 pockets?
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Ya-Nvr-No on February 07, 2014, 09:46:36 PM
Looks to me like some kind of formula is active in X direction. Because it comes back to the same location on the left side.

Not much in common with the pockets if they are all supposed to be the same program. Something is real odd looking, that's for sure.
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: ger21 on February 07, 2014, 09:54:47 PM
Looks to me like some kind of formula is active in X direction. Because it comes back to the same location on the left side.


No, it doesn't. It keeps moving farther to the left with each pass, ans since they're deeper, each successive pass makes a full depth cut.
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Ya-Nvr-No on February 07, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
guess it looked like it did to me, my bad.
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 08, 2014, 01:01:25 AM
Hi,

I changed a bit on the feedrate an thats why it's different on the other picture, but how can i get it so that it cuts right the hole pocket?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 08, 2014, 06:07:25 AM
Can someone help me...
Thanks
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: ger21 on February 08, 2014, 07:47:55 AM
It looks like your machine is losing steps. This can be caused by many things.

What kind of machine is this?
First thing you should do is go through the entire machine, and make sure everything is perfectly aligned, with no binding. If you still have issues at that point, then reduce your acceleration and velocity setting in motor tuning by 25%-50%.
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 08, 2014, 07:59:19 AM
It is CNC3040

Thanks for the help I will see if i can do something I'm new with this ;)
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Fastest1 on February 08, 2014, 09:37:20 PM
SF, Sure there are some things you can do.

 Lube all ways, slides ball or lead screws too.

Then as Gerry said, lessen your velocity and or acceleration.

Find out the micro stepping that your controller is on and see if changing its value doesnt lessen the resonance. This will require some retuning so if you are very new, hold off a bit. Not that it is difficult.

Btw is this all of a sudden? Was there a change in its operation? Or are you new to the machine and experienced these problems right away?Just out of curiousity, what kind of speeds/accels were you running?

Either accel or velocity can cause lost steps depending on their values, so it could be the velocity was fine but the instant accel for its mass caused loss of steps or vice versa.



Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 09, 2014, 05:58:58 AM
It works Okay when I just engrave a word, but when I start to engrave a pocket so its okay on the left side off the pocket but not on the right side.

Settings for my CNC3040T-DJ

35000 MHz
   
    Steps    Veloci      Acceler    Step Pulse   DirPuls
X: 400      2000       200         3                  1
Y: 400      2000       200         3                  1
Z: 400       700        100         3                  1
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Hood on February 09, 2014, 06:14:00 AM
Is the left side of the pocket at the correct X position or is it further to the left than it is meant to be?
That will be the deciding factor as to your problem, ie if its further left then it is as Gerry and others have said, you are losing steps on X.
Hood
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 09, 2014, 06:20:24 AM
Its a bit more to the left
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Hood on February 09, 2014, 06:25:43 AM
Then it is confirmed you are losing steps or in effect losing them.
You need to check everything that has been mentioned such as any binding on axes and also things like pulleys slack or coupling slack. The slack pulley could account for it as with engraving forces are light, with pocketing forces are higher so pulley slips a bit each time.
Hood
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 09, 2014, 06:30:51 AM
Okay...
I'm new with this... Can you help me step by step?
It would be great!!!
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Hood on February 09, 2014, 06:34:33 AM
I do not know how your X axis is coupled, if it is direct coupled then draw a line with a pen on the motor shaft and screw shaft and the couplings and run a pocket. If after the pocket is complete all the lines still lined up then couplings are not slipping. If you have a belt reduction system do similar.

If the couplings are not slipping then reduce your Velocity and Accel by 50% and test again, see if it runs this time.

Hood
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Hood on February 09, 2014, 06:39:32 AM
You also said 35,000 MHz above, what is that referring to? If the kernel then I presume you mean 35,000Hz.
 Your motor tuning only requires 13,000Hz so I would suggest you reduce the kernel to 25,000Hz (25KHz)

Hood
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: SirFinland on February 09, 2014, 11:19:26 AM
Hi,
 
I have one off this and two other, because one was broke. Should they all be same?

Can this have something to do with the X axis?

Thanks!

Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Hood on February 09, 2014, 02:12:13 PM
It doesnt matter whether they are the same or not, what you have to be concerned about is whether it is secured correctly or not. If it is slipping then it would cause the issues you are seeing, so mark  a line on either side of the coupling aligning with a mark on the screw and motor shaft at each side and run your pocket again. If the lines still match and the pocket is still out of alignment then you need to look elsewhere for your issue.
Hood
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: kevinhenderson on February 09, 2014, 06:57:46 PM
I am having problems with pockets as well.drew a design in vecrtic aspir was supposed to cut a circle to 51 mm and 4.5 mm deep depth came out fine but circle is only 46 mm dia and should be 51.I have calibrated all the axis and they cut to the right length and z axis raises and lowers to the right heights don't know whats wrong does anyone have any ideas

Regards \Kevin
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Hood on February 09, 2014, 07:00:16 PM
attach your code and your xml and maybe the problem can be found.
Hood
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: Fastest1 on February 09, 2014, 08:01:46 PM
I am having problems with pockets as well.drew a design in vecrtic aspir was supposed to cut a circle to 51 mm and 4.5 mm deep depth came out fine but circle is only 46 mm dia and should be 51.I have calibrated all the axis and they cut to the right length and z axis raises and lowers to the right heights don't know whats wrong does anyone have any ideas

Regards \Kevin

 Is your tool diameter correct?

 Not being familiar with your CAD/CAM, is your offset correct for the direction of travel? I know in BobCad I usually have 3 choices, to the right, left or on the line. Those would all make a difference in the widths only and not the depth.
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: kevinhenderson on February 09, 2014, 09:01:18 PM
yeah as far i i know it is correct i have three choices
1. outside the line
2 on the line
3 inside the line
 mine is set to inside the line
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: ger21 on February 09, 2014, 09:09:13 PM
Try cutting in the opposite direction and see if the size changes. It could very well be machine or tool deflection.
Title: Re: How to make a Pocket RIGHT!!
Post by: kevinhenderson on February 09, 2014, 09:46:46 PM
will give it a try thnx