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Title: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 09, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
Mach 3- Sheet cam - plasma.
<<Cut start is above rapid clearance plane.......... >>
What did I do wrong?? TYIA.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 09, 2012, 06:58:26 PM
You have the position for the start of the cut ABOVE what you have for the rapid clearance position. Look in the tools section for the cut height and check under job options for the rapid height setting.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 10, 2012, 12:34:09 AM
I am new, so very sorry to be so dumb. I redrew it and opened in sheet cam , ran the post processor and get the same error as before, but last time it gave me 6 of the same error, now it is down to 1. but same error as before. :(
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 10, 2012, 12:47:00 AM
In  sheet cam can you insert the kerfs like you do in autocad?
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 10, 2012, 01:56:50 AM
GOT IT. THANKS for the help.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 10, 2012, 10:27:49 AM
Scam will compensate for the kerf width for you. Just draw to size and specify in your tool setup what the kerf width really is . Then Scam will offset the code to compensate.

(;-)TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 10, 2012, 10:16:25 PM
LOL. Thought I had it......It is making all the cuts twice the size I drew them in Draftsight. I there a place in Mach3 to adjust sizes???? Thanks Again. Tom
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 10, 2012, 10:19:26 PM
I.E. I am cutting a 3.5 inch disc with 4---- 3/4 inch holes. I am getting a 7 inch disc with 4------1 1/2 inch holes.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: woodspinner on October 10, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
well, you can adjust scaling, to the right of each dro, where it says "1" change it to ".5"  Probably much better to adjust sizes in cad/cam .

John
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 11, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
BEST to get it correct in the CAD side. OR are you scaling it bringing  it into Scam ?

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
I must be scaling it bringing it into sheetcam. Everything works, but it is 2 times the size I need. How do I use scale in S-cam???
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
When you bring in the drawing you will have the option as to HOW you want it brought in from a drawing options page. Select INCH and it will bring it in at 1:1 in inches.

Once in you can measure the drawing objects in Scam.

IF it is still not to scale then yoour problem lies in the original drawing.

Post the drawing and we can check it.

(;-) TP



Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 05:04:17 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 05:22:43 PM
I can't open your version of the dwg here can you do it in say V14 or a DXF.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 05:26:37 PM
It is a vent for a charcoal grill. Thanks
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
The drawing looks OK and it camed out correctly with Scam.

Does your machine MOVE the exact distance it is programmed to ? Are you certain that MACH3 scaling has not been turn on?



(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 07:48:04 PM
I have redrawn this thing 5 times and it does the same thing. Where would I find Mach3 scaling? Thanks for looking @ it.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
Look to the RH side of  the xy dros and see IF there is a yellow led lit up beside each dro.

Have you tested the accuracy of the axis moves?  If you command a move of 5 inches does it move 5 inches ?

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
Can you post an example of your Gcode that cuts it X2 in size?

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 08:54:27 PM
Trying to figure how how to post the G-code now.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 08:55:44 PM
?
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 09:14:06 PM
OK the Gcode is correct that only leaves the machine. IF you command a move in X or Y of say 5 inches does it move 5 inches ?



(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
let me draw up a 5 inch line and go check. thanks.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
All you have to do is command a move from the MDI say G1 X5.000. The machine should move  X 5.000 +/- inches.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 09:29:15 PM
Drew a 5 inch line and it went exactly 10 inches........
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 09:30:11 PM
All you have to do is command a move from the MDI say G1 X5.000. The machine should move  X 5.000 +/- inches.

(;-) TP

cool thanks for the hint
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 09:55:29 PM
OK that means the step per unit setting is wrong in the axis tuning section by x2. Cut the value in half and try again.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 10:00:34 PM
Axis tuning section??   where would I find that?   I just put a new driver on it but have double checked and the dip switches are set where they are supposed to be.  But yes I have a good idea you are correct, now to figure out how to find the axis tuning.   lol.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
Motor tuning and set up?
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 13, 2012, 11:00:31 PM
Go to Config then motor tuning look at the steps per settings.  You need to set each axis seperately AND don't forget to SAVE each axis as you go.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 13, 2012, 11:44:44 PM
X -Y-A-
Steps per - 1630
Velocity - 499.98
ACC - 50
Gs - .12950952
Step pulse - 5
Dir pulse - 3

Z axis is up/down and settings are lower.
1630
90
60
155411424
5
3
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 12:21:33 AM
 ;D How long did it take for you to get that sharp? worked like a champ. ;D
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 01:52:41 AM
Don't forget to check the Z axis as well(;-)

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 02:15:07 AM
Speaking of Z axis........It was slamming down to the plate, now it is stopping before it gets all the way down. Specs on the Z are :
Z axis is up/down and settings are lower.
1630
90
60
155411424
5
3
 I feel like I am getting close to getting a part cut. LOL.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 02:56:27 AM
And next I get to play with velocity. It makes a whinning noise while makeing a cut. :)
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 10:38:28 AM
Bring the velocity down to about 200 accel about 25 and see what happens.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
Need to get the Z to stop hitting the metal before it fires and drags on the sheet. Any ideas? Thanks.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 04:54:12 PM
DId you check to see IF the Z moves the correct distance?

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
Well now it is different (guess I done something else wrong, but it doesn't hit the sheet anymore. It cycles from the top of travel and stops  1 1/4  inches above the sheet. way too high but better  than it dragging on the metal. BTW.     Z  travels about one inch.
 I wish i could control the height manually!!
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 06:41:02 PM
YO have not answered the question(;-) Does the Z move the distance programmed ?  UNtill you have ALL the axis's moving the correct distance it won't work correctly.

DO you have a floating Z that has a switch to find the top of the material?

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
I went to Mach3 install/config last night and read, but where do I find that configuration?
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 07:30:51 PM
DID we not just go thru this for X/Y ?  It is done the same way for Z.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 07:41:36 PM

 :o I just don't want to mess nothing up. wife would not be happy. So if I want the torch closer to the table  1630 would go to 2000. ??



Steps per - 1630
Velocity - 90
ACC - 60
Gs - .155411424
Step pulse - 5
Dir pulse - 3

Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 08:19:20 PM
NO you move the Z axis 1inch and measure how far it really moved. THEN adjust your steps per in motor tuning untill  it is correct.

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 08:20:02 PM
What is the name brand of the table or is it homemade?

(;-) TP
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
It is a homemade table 48x48. I ran an ESAB shadow 500 and 1000 for about 10 years and never had to do any of the technical stuff. We called maintenance. lol. Decided to get this one so my wife cut cut the pretty yard decorations etc and here I am trying to get everything working right. I sure do appreciate the help. will be cutting mostly 12 and 14 guage. maybe some 20 guage stainless.
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: TomTom on October 14, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
I really Appreciate the help. Cut out 2 parts and works like a charm. :)
Title: Re: Plasma -Easy question but got me stumped
Post by: BR549 on October 14, 2012, 10:54:15 PM
Glad you have it sparking(;-)

(;-) TP